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Postby Vassenor » Sat Oct 20, 2018 9:16 am

Telconi wrote:
Liriena wrote:Goes to show that you can't be a committed Republican and a moral person at the same time.


Well, not by your metrics, no.


So in what way is that a moral act?
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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Sat Oct 20, 2018 9:19 am

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Liriena wrote:Lmao so the old fat cunt in the White House openly supported political violence against people he disagrees with during his Montana rally. Can't wait for the right-wing free speech anti-antifa warriors to bash him for it. :roll:

It's hard to believe you're an Argie with how upset you get about American politics.

So what, I'm Canadian and I worry about the US all the time.

Seriously, the US needs to stop being so extreme. It's not good for you.

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Postby Proctopeo » Sat Oct 20, 2018 9:22 am

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Proctopeo wrote:It's hard to believe you're an Argie with how upset you get about American politics.

So what, I'm Canadian and I worry about the US all the time.

It's one thing to worry. Worrying about other countries is fine; I worry about Canada, Germany, France, Sweden, etc. It's another to get angry.

Seriously, the US needs to stop being so extreme. It's not good for you.

Quite frankly we're not really "extreme". That's a matter of perspective more than anything.
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Postby Luminesa » Sat Oct 20, 2018 9:22 am

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Goes to show that you can't be a committed Republican and a moral person at the same time.

DARN IT I CAN’T READ THE ARTICLE BEHIND THE PAYWALL. *Anger.*

“Conservatives” doesn’t mean every conservative, anyway, Liri. It would be like saying, “Liberals mount a whisper campaign smearing X.” Not every liberal is responsible, no, but this group of people decided to do it. Though I’m not sure who this is talking about. The Saudi journalist?
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Postby Luminesa » Sat Oct 20, 2018 9:24 am

Liriena wrote:Lmao so the old fat cunt in the White House openly supported political violence against people he disagrees with during his Montana rally. Can't wait for the right-wing free speech anti-antifa warriors to bash him for it. :roll:

While Kamala Harris and Hillary Clinton both said that Democrats can’t be civil with Republicans anymore, and the former specifically called for people to beat-up Republicans in the street. Both sides are calling for violence and it’s frightening, yes. But I don’t see you calling Kamala Harris or Hillary Clinton “fat ****’s”. What Trump is doing is bad, so apply this metric to both sides doing the wrong thing maybe?
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Postby Vassenor » Sat Oct 20, 2018 9:25 am

Luminesa wrote:
Liriena wrote:Goes to show that you can't be a committed Republican and a moral person at the same time.

DARN IT I CAN’T READ THE ARTICLE BEHIND THE PAYWALL. *Anger.*

“Conservatives” doesn’t mean every conservative, anyway, Liri. It would be like saying, “Liberals mount a whisper campaign smearing X.” Not every liberal is responsible, no, but this group of people decided to do it. Though I’m not sure who this is talking about. The Saudi journalist?


First paragraph is

Hard-line Republicans and conservative commentators are mounting a whispering campaign against Jamal Khashoggi that is designed to protect President Trump from criticism of his handling of the dissident journalist’s alleged murder by operatives of Saudi Arabia — and support Trump’s continued aversion to a forceful response to the oil-rich desert kingdom.


So yes, they're smearing the deceased journo, and the article very specifically fingers a specific subset of conservatives for it. So no it's not saying "every conservative" at all.
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Postby Page » Sat Oct 20, 2018 9:26 am

Luminesa wrote:
Liriena wrote:Goes to show that you can't be a committed Republican and a moral person at the same time.

DARN IT I CAN’T READ THE ARTICLE BEHIND THE PAYWALL. *Anger.*


It's really frustrating to me as an American abroad how many American news sites are behind paywalls now. Even worse is some sites like LA Times and Orlando Sentinel reacted to the GDPR by literally banning every European IP address rather than just comply with it by asking people if they consent to cookies.
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Postby Page » Sat Oct 20, 2018 9:28 am

Proctopeo wrote:Quite frankly we're not really "extreme". That's a matter of perspective more than anything.


I would argue America is extreme in the sense that we have an extremely trigger happy military, a government extremely apathetic to poor people, an extreme epidemic of anti-intellectualism, and extremely low standards for our elected officials.
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Postby Luminesa » Sat Oct 20, 2018 9:29 am

Vassenor wrote:
Luminesa wrote:DARN IT I CAN’T READ THE ARTICLE BEHIND THE PAYWALL. *Anger.*

“Conservatives” doesn’t mean every conservative, anyway, Liri. It would be like saying, “Liberals mount a whisper campaign smearing X.” Not every liberal is responsible, no, but this group of people decided to do it. Though I’m not sure who this is talking about. The Saudi journalist?


First paragraph is

Hard-line Republicans and conservative commentators are mounting a whispering campaign against Jamal Khashoggi that is designed to protect President Trump from criticism of his handling of the dissident journalist’s alleged murder by operatives of Saudi Arabia — and support Trump’s continued aversion to a forceful response to the oil-rich desert kingdom.


So yes, they're smearing the deceased journo, and the article very specifically fingers a specific subset of conservatives for it. So no it's not saying "every conservative" at all.

Thank you. Now is Saudi Arabia is a cesspool of human rights offenses, and we should have dropped them like a hot potato decades ago. Why we’re not is possibly some sort of moneyball I guess Trump has with Saudi. But yeah, I was answering Liri saying, “You can’t be a committed Republican and a moral person at the same time,” saying that yes, this is a certain subset of people and not every conservative. Thank you for backing my train of thought.
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Postby Liriena » Sat Oct 20, 2018 9:29 am

Proctopeo wrote:
Liriena wrote:Lmao so the old fat cunt in the White House openly supported political violence against people he disagrees with during his Montana rally. Can't wait for the right-wing free speech anti-antifa warriors to bash him for it. :roll:

It's hard to believe you're an Argie with how upset you get about American politics.

A part of it is just basic human empathy (try it), and another is that your country's bullshit affects all countries' bullshit.
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Postby Luminesa » Sat Oct 20, 2018 9:30 am

Page wrote:
Luminesa wrote:DARN IT I CAN’T READ THE ARTICLE BEHIND THE PAYWALL. *Anger.*


It's really frustrating to me as an American abroad how many American news sites are behind paywalls now. Even worse is some sites like LA Times and Orlando Sentinel reacted to the GDPR by literally banning every European IP address rather than just comply with it by asking people if they consent to cookies.

I used to be able to just read The Post whenever, now they’re telling me I have to have an account. It’s annoying.
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Postby Proctopeo » Sat Oct 20, 2018 9:31 am

Liriena wrote:
Proctopeo wrote:It's hard to believe you're an Argie with how upset you get about American politics.

A part of it is just basic human empathy (try it)

:roll:
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and another is that your country's bullshit affects all countries' bullshit.

Clearly not enough. More countries need to follow our examples.
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Postby Luminesa » Sat Oct 20, 2018 9:32 am

Liriena wrote:
Proctopeo wrote:It's hard to believe you're an Argie with how upset you get about American politics.

A part of it is just basic human empathy (try it), and another is that your country's bullshit affects all countries' bullshit.

I don’t think you should be telling Procto to have empathy when you don’t seem to have any problem with Kamala Harris telling Democrats to attack Republicans in the streets. Pushing civil war in another country, in fact, is probably the very opposite of empathy.
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Postby Vassenor » Sat Oct 20, 2018 9:35 am

Liriena wrote:
Proctopeo wrote:It's hard to believe you're an Argie with how upset you get about American politics.

A part of it is just basic human empathy (try it), and another is that your country's bullshit affects all countries' bullshit.


Trump's bullshit emboldens the authoritarian right all over the world.
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Postby The South Falls » Sat Oct 20, 2018 9:38 am

Luminesa wrote:
Page wrote:
It's really frustrating to me as an American abroad how many American news sites are behind paywalls now. Even worse is some sites like LA Times and Orlando Sentinel reacted to the GDPR by literally banning every European IP address rather than just comply with it by asking people if they consent to cookies.

I used to be able to just read The Post whenever, now they’re telling me I have to have an account. It’s annoying.

Every newspaper be like
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Postby Telconi » Sat Oct 20, 2018 9:38 am

Vassenor wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Well, not by your metrics, no.


So in what way is that a moral act?


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Postby Vassenor » Sat Oct 20, 2018 9:38 am

Luminesa wrote:
Page wrote:
It's really frustrating to me as an American abroad how many American news sites are behind paywalls now. Even worse is some sites like LA Times and Orlando Sentinel reacted to the GDPR by literally banning every European IP address rather than just comply with it by asking people if they consent to cookies.

I used to be able to just read The Post whenever, now they’re telling me I have to have an account. It’s annoying.


Does the Incognito Mode trick not work any more? :(
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Postby The South Falls » Sat Oct 20, 2018 9:41 am

Vassenor wrote:
Luminesa wrote:I used to be able to just read The Post whenever, now they’re telling me I have to have an account. It’s annoying.


Does the Incognito Mode trick not work any more? :(

I think they've figured it out.


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Postby Luminesa » Sat Oct 20, 2018 9:43 am

Vassenor wrote:
Luminesa wrote:I used to be able to just read The Post whenever, now they’re telling me I have to have an account. It’s annoying.


Does the Incognito Mode trick not work any more? :(

Wait, what trick? Tell me of this trick.
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Postby Liriena » Sat Oct 20, 2018 9:45 am

Proctopeo wrote:
Liriena wrote:A part of it is just basic human empathy (try it)

:roll:
Opinion discarded.

and another is that your country's bullshit affects all countries' bullshit.

Clearly not enough. More countries need to follow our examples.

You mean examples like shit health care, no maternity leave, the criminal invasion of Iraq and the enabling of Saudi Arabia's genocidal bullshit in Yemen?
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Postby Liriena » Sat Oct 20, 2018 9:47 am

Luminesa wrote:
Liriena wrote:A part of it is just basic human empathy (try it), and another is that your country's bullshit affects all countries' bullshit.

I don’t think you should be telling Procto to have empathy when you don’t seem to have any problem with Kamala Harris telling Democrats to attack Republicans in the streets. Pushing civil war in another country, in fact, is probably the very opposite of empathy.

Source for Harris actually doing that?

Also, a lack of response is not an endorsement.
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Postby Ifreann » Sat Oct 20, 2018 9:49 am

Liriena wrote:Lmao so the old fat cunt in the White House openly supported political violence against people he disagrees with during his Montana rally. Can't wait for the right-wing free speech anti-antifa warriors to bash him for it. :roll:

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Postby Grinning Dragon » Sat Oct 20, 2018 10:13 am

Luminesa wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
Does the Incognito Mode trick not work any more? :(

Wait, what trick? Tell me of this trick.

You can also delete the washpo cookies from your browser cache, since it's the cookie file that keeps track of the amount of times you have visited.

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Postby Tobleste » Sat Oct 20, 2018 10:39 am

Luminesa wrote:
Liriena wrote:Goes to show that you can't be a committed Republican and a moral person at the same time.

DARN IT I CAN’T READ THE ARTICLE BEHIND THE PAYWALL. *Anger.*

“Conservatives” doesn’t mean every conservative, anyway, Liri. It would be like saying, “Liberals mount a whisper campaign smearing X.” Not every liberal is responsible, no, but this group of people decided to do it. Though I’m not sure who this is talking about. The Saudi journalist?


Afaik, yes it does.

Also I agree with you about conservatives but supporting the republican party as an institution enables these kinds of things. Conservatives can sepearste their beliefs from trump but ts impossible to seperate the party from Trump at this point.
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Postby Telconi » Sat Oct 20, 2018 10:40 am

Tobleste wrote:
Luminesa wrote:DARN IT I CAN’T READ THE ARTICLE BEHIND THE PAYWALL. *Anger.*

“Conservatives” doesn’t mean every conservative, anyway, Liri. It would be like saying, “Liberals mount a whisper campaign smearing X.” Not every liberal is responsible, no, but this group of people decided to do it. Though I’m not sure who this is talking about. The Saudi journalist?


Afaik, yes it does.

Also I agree with you about conservatives but supporting the republican party as an institution enables these kinds of things. Conservatives can sepearste their beliefs from trump but ts impossible to seperate the party from Trump at this point.


I mean, that's true with every political party tho...
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