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Postby New haven america » Sun Sep 23, 2018 2:26 pm

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New haven america wrote:1. No, you're pulling that out of nowhere, because I never made mention of Trump's win in my post.

New haven america wrote:^Example of "Fuck you, I got mine" at play.

I can't wait for an election where a Dem wins and you start rattling off how the EC is terrible, I'll keep this post tagged for when that happens.

1. So you mean to tell me you weren't talking about a Democrat winning through the EC in this post?

2. Hm, then why would we whine about how the EC is terrible if they didn't win through it?

2. Coming from the person who bases most of their arguments around whining about things they don't like.

3.That's a not-so-sophisticated way of saying "NO U".

1. No, I was. But I never made a single mention of Trump's win, did I? No, I did not. You just made that up in order to make my post work within your beliefs.
2. Because your side lost. You seem to conveniently forget the 8 years of whining Republicans and non-Dems participated in from 2008-2016 about anything that helped Dems even a little, including complaining about EC.
3. Oh look, whining about how my argument shows what you actually act like. Why am I not surprised?
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Postby Kaggeceria » Sun Sep 23, 2018 2:28 pm

New haven america wrote:
Kaggeceria wrote:
1. So you mean to tell me you weren't talking about a Democrat winning through the EC in this post?

2. Hm, then why would we whine about how the EC is terrible if they didn't win through it?


3.That's a not-so-sophisticated way of saying "NO U".

1. No, I was. But I never made a single mention of Trump's win, did I? No, I did not. You just made that up in order to make my post work within your beliefs.
2. Because your side lost. You seem to conveniently forget the 8 years of whining Republicans and non-Dems participated in from 2008-2016 about anything that helped Dems even a little, including complaining about EC.

Why would we complain about the EC if they would have won through the popular vote also? Now you're just making absolutely no sense.

You're essentially whining about a non-issue. Which is pretty much par for the course, I suppose.
3. Oh look, whining about how my argument shows what you actually act like. Why am I not surprised?

:lol2:

You're whining because I said you were whining.
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Postby New haven america » Sun Sep 23, 2018 2:35 pm

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New haven america wrote:1. No, I was. But I never made a single mention of Trump's win, did I? No, I did not. You just made that up in order to make my post work within your beliefs.
2. Because your side lost. You seem to conveniently forget the 8 years of whining Republicans and non-Dems participated in from 2008-2016 about anything that helped Dems even a little, including complaining about EC.

Why would we complain about the EC if they would have won through the popular vote also? Now you're just making absolutely no sense.

Ok, so it seems you have forgotten the time period between 2008-2016.
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Postby Kaggeceria » Sun Sep 23, 2018 2:36 pm

New haven america wrote:
Kaggeceria wrote:Why would we complain about the EC if they would have won through the popular vote also? Now you're just making absolutely no sense.

Ok, so it seems you have forgotten the time period between 2008-2016.

People complained about Obama winning, not the EC. That's a ridiculous assertion.
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Postby Northern Davincia » Sun Sep 23, 2018 2:51 pm

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Northern Davincia wrote:I will be amazed if that happens, so much so that I won't complain on principle.

You'll be amazed that one of the 2 parties in the US to consistently win the presidency, won the presidency?

What version of reality are you living in, exactly?

Not one where Dems win the EC but lose the popular vote.
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Postby Ifreann » Sun Sep 23, 2018 3:36 pm

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New haven america wrote:Ok, so it seems you have forgotten the time period between 2008-2016.

People complained about Obama winning, not the EC. That's a ridiculous assertion.

"The electoral college is a disaster for a democracy." - Donald Trump, 7th November 2012
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Postby Kaggeceria » Sun Sep 23, 2018 3:41 pm

Ifreann wrote:
Kaggeceria wrote:People complained about Obama winning, not the EC. That's a ridiculous assertion.

"The electoral college is a disaster for a democracy." - Donald Trump, 7th November 2012

I disagree.

Anything else?
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Postby San Lumen » Sun Sep 23, 2018 3:42 pm


land area should count more than votes then? Should we elect statewide officials the same way?

Should the Republican have won in this case because he got more land area?: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_ ... on%2C_2014

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Postby Tobleste » Sun Sep 23, 2018 4:13 pm

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How does it remove it's legitimacy? Go on, I could do with a laugh.

If you're going to come in with that attitude, I don't see a point.


Seriously? Are you surprised that someone thinks it's silly to say that the US government (the one that is allied with Saudi Arabia and led by a man with a fetish for dictators) not being in a human rights organisation removes it's legitimacy? If anything a republican led America being out of the organisation makes everybody else better off.
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Postby Ifreann » Sun Sep 23, 2018 4:16 pm


You said that people complained about Obama winning, not the electoral college. Then reality TV star Donald Trump did complain about the electoral college. Ergo, you are wrong. Whether or not you agree with the man who went on to become President is irrelevant.
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Postby Petrasylvania » Sun Sep 23, 2018 4:17 pm

Tobleste wrote:
Proctopeo wrote:If you're going to come in with that attitude, I don't see a point.


Seriously? Are you surprised that someone thinks it's silly to say that the US government (the one that is allied with Saudi Arabia and led by a man with a fetish for dictators) not being in a human rights organisation removes it's legitimacy? If anything a republican led America being out of the organisation makes everybody else better off.

It's laughable to boot that a country routinely separating children from families, even ones that play by imposed rules for seeking asylum- especially to profit private prisons- would be sneering that a human rights committee is filled with abusive countries.
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Postby Tobleste » Sun Sep 23, 2018 4:28 pm

Petrasylvania wrote:
Tobleste wrote:
Seriously? Are you surprised that someone thinks it's silly to say that the US government (the one that is allied with Saudi Arabia and led by a man with a fetish for dictators) not being in a human rights organisation removes it's legitimacy? If anything a republican led America being out of the organisation makes everybody else better off.

It's laughable to boot that a country routinely separating children from families, even ones that play by imposed rules for seeking asylum- especially to profit private prisons- would be sneering that a human rights committee is filled with abusive countries.


I could even understand that by some people justified Trumps decision by saying that the group is nonsense because Saudi Arabia is in it which makes sense until you remember Trump basically dancing with Saudi leaders.
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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Sun Sep 23, 2018 4:31 pm

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Petrasylvania wrote:It's laughable to boot that a country routinely separating children from families, even ones that play by imposed rules for seeking asylum- especially to profit private prisons- would be sneering that a human rights committee is filled with abusive countries.


I could even understand that by some people justified Trumps decision by saying that the group is nonsense because Saudi Arabia is in it which makes sense until you remember Trump basically dancing with Saudi leaders.

You’d think at least someone could say the Saudis are dicks
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Postby Tobleste » Sun Sep 23, 2018 4:36 pm

Internationalist Bastard wrote:
Tobleste wrote:
I could even understand that by some people justified Trumps decision by saying that the group is nonsense because Saudi Arabia is in it which makes sense until you remember Trump basically dancing with Saudi leaders.

You’d think at least someone could say the Saudis are dicks
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Well to be fair, everyone does (bar Iran). America isn't really alone in trying to stay on their good side.
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Postby Oil exporting People » Sun Sep 23, 2018 4:54 pm

So Blasey says she can't remember when the alleged assault took place and cannot even point out the house, while Kavanaugh has provided calendars that show he was out of town for most of the Summer of 1982 or doing events such as football workouts or college interviews. It has also been previously established Blasey is a pretty active Democrat.

I think at this point it is safe to say these are bullshit accusations.
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Postby Valrifell » Sun Sep 23, 2018 4:58 pm

God dammit you clicked the wrong thread.
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Postby Greater Cesnica » Sun Sep 23, 2018 5:04 pm

Oil exporting People wrote:So Blasey says she can't remember when the alleged assault took place and cannot even point out the house, while Kavanaugh has provided calendars that show he was out of town for most of the Summer of 1982 or doing events such as football workouts or college interviews. It has also been previously established Blasey is a pretty active Democrat.

I think at this point it is safe to say these are bullshit accusations.

Wrong thread mate. viewtopic.php?f=20&t=449475 is the right one.
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Postby Northern Davincia » Sun Sep 23, 2018 5:05 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Kaggeceria wrote:I disagree.

Anything else?

land area should count more than votes then? Should we elect statewide officials the same way?

Should the Republican have won in this case because he got more land area?: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_ ... on%2C_2014

Yes to the latter.
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Postby Uiiop » Sun Sep 23, 2018 5:07 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
San Lumen wrote:land area should count more than votes then? Should we elect statewide officials the same way?

Should the Republican have won in this case because he got more land area?: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_ ... on%2C_2014

Yes to the latter.

You want to make California worse? :p
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Postby Petrasylvania » Sun Sep 23, 2018 5:08 pm

Uiiop wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:Yes to the latter.

You want to make California worse?

Gotta stick it to the Dems.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sun Sep 23, 2018 5:08 pm

Uiiop wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:Yes to the latter.

You want to make California worse? :p


Trick question, CA can't become worse.
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Postby Uiiop » Sun Sep 23, 2018 5:08 pm

Petrasylvania wrote:
Uiiop wrote:You want to make California worse?

Gotta stick it to the Dems.

Sticking to them by giving them more power? :blink:
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Postby Valrifell » Sun Sep 23, 2018 5:08 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
San Lumen wrote:land area should count more than votes then? Should we elect statewide officials the same way?

Should the Republican have won in this case because he got more land area?: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_ ... on%2C_2014

Yes to the latter.


States are too big of a subdivision to rule over.


This is why I propose breaking up the country based on the thousands of municipalities in the country. It would be bordergore, but that's the price I'm willing to pay.
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Postby Greater Cesnica » Sun Sep 23, 2018 5:21 pm

Valrifell wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:Yes to the latter.


States are too big of a subdivision to rule over.


This is why I propose breaking up the country based on the thousands of municipalities in the country. It would be bordergore, but that's the price I'm willing to pay.

Oh God no. Please. It would make prosecution of crimes a fucking nightmare.
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Postby Valrifell » Sun Sep 23, 2018 5:24 pm

Greater Cesnica wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
States are too big of a subdivision to rule over.


This is why I propose breaking up the country based on the thousands of municipalities in the country. It would be bordergore, but that's the price I'm willing to pay.

Oh God no. Please. It would make prosecution of crimes a fucking nightmare.


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