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Postby Vassenor » Wed Sep 05, 2018 9:49 am

Trump suggests that protesting should be illegal

President Trump has long derided the mainstream media as the “enemy of the people” and lashed out at NFL players for kneeling during the national anthem. On Tuesday, he took his attacks on free speech one step further, suggesting in an interview with a conservative news site that the act of protesting should be illegal.

Trump made the remarks in an Oval Office interview with the Daily Caller hours after his Supreme Court nominee, Brett M. Kavanaugh, was greeted by protests on the first day of his confirmation hearings on Capitol Hill.

“I don’t know why they don’t take care of a situation like that,” Trump said. “I think it’s embarrassing for the country to allow protesters. You don’t even know what side the protesters are on.”

He added: “In the old days, we used to throw them out. Today, I guess they just keep screaming.”

More than 70 people were arrested after they repeatedly heckled Kavanaugh and senators at Tuesday’s hearing.

Trump has bristled at dissent in the past, including several instances in which he has suggested demonstrators should lose their jobs or be met with violence for speaking out.


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Ifreann wrote:I wonder if it's ironic that someone with a Black Sun flag has appeared to tell us symbols used by racists have nothing to do with racism.


Kram is literally a Jew so one would have to assume he isn't using the symbol because he's a Nazi.

Just like how Zina Bash probably wasn't trying to show support for white supremacy, but nonetheless white supremacists do the same thing to show their support of white supremacy to other white supremacists.
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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Wed Sep 05, 2018 9:52 am

Vassenor wrote:Trump suggests that protesting should be illegal

President Trump has long derided the mainstream media as the “enemy of the people” and lashed out at NFL players for kneeling during the national anthem. On Tuesday, he took his attacks on free speech one step further, suggesting in an interview with a conservative news site that the act of protesting should be illegal.

Trump made the remarks in an Oval Office interview with the Daily Caller hours after his Supreme Court nominee, Brett M. Kavanaugh, was greeted by protests on the first day of his confirmation hearings on Capitol Hill.

“I don’t know why they don’t take care of a situation like that,” Trump said. “I think it’s embarrassing for the country to allow protesters. You don’t even know what side the protesters are on.”

He added: “In the old days, we used to throw them out. Today, I guess they just keep screaming.”

More than 70 people were arrested after they repeatedly heckled Kavanaugh and senators at Tuesday’s hearing.

Trump has bristled at dissent in the past, including several instances in which he has suggested demonstrators should lose their jobs or be met with violence for speaking out.


First Amendment? What's that?

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Postby Major-Tom » Wed Sep 05, 2018 9:53 am

Vassenor wrote:Trump suggests that protesting should be illegal

President Trump has long derided the mainstream media as the “enemy of the people” and lashed out at NFL players for kneeling during the national anthem. On Tuesday, he took his attacks on free speech one step further, suggesting in an interview with a conservative news site that the act of protesting should be illegal.

Trump made the remarks in an Oval Office interview with the Daily Caller hours after his Supreme Court nominee, Brett M. Kavanaugh, was greeted by protests on the first day of his confirmation hearings on Capitol Hill.

“I don’t know why they don’t take care of a situation like that,” Trump said. “I think it’s embarrassing for the country to allow protesters. You don’t even know what side the protesters are on.”

He added: “In the old days, we used to throw them out. Today, I guess they just keep screaming.”

More than 70 people were arrested after they repeatedly heckled Kavanaugh and senators at Tuesday’s hearing.

Trump has bristled at dissent in the past, including several instances in which he has suggested demonstrators should lose their jobs or be met with violence for speaking out.


First Amendment? What's that?


Trump, like your pissed of boomer grandpa who longs for days of "Americana" and "respect" while being not so subtly racist and half-delusional on social media. Except, y'know, he's not someone you see on Thanksgiving, he's running the country.

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Postby Telconi » Wed Sep 05, 2018 9:54 am

Vassenor wrote:Trump suggests that protesting should be illegal

President Trump has long derided the mainstream media as the “enemy of the people” and lashed out at NFL players for kneeling during the national anthem. On Tuesday, he took his attacks on free speech one step further, suggesting in an interview with a conservative news site that the act of protesting should be illegal.

Trump made the remarks in an Oval Office interview with the Daily Caller hours after his Supreme Court nominee, Brett M. Kavanaugh, was greeted by protests on the first day of his confirmation hearings on Capitol Hill.

“I don’t know why they don’t take care of a situation like that,” Trump said. “I think it’s embarrassing for the country to allow protesters. You don’t even know what side the protesters are on.”

He added: “In the old days, we used to throw them out. Today, I guess they just keep screaming.”

More than 70 people were arrested after they repeatedly heckled Kavanaugh and senators at Tuesday’s hearing.

Trump has bristled at dissent in the past, including several instances in which he has suggested demonstrators should lose their jobs or be met with violence for speaking out.


First Amendment? What's that?


It's not in violation of the 1st amendment to put some reasonable limitations in place. :^)
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Postby Major-Tom » Wed Sep 05, 2018 9:55 am

Telconi wrote:
Vassenor wrote:Trump suggests that protesting should be illegal



First Amendment? What's that?


It's not in violation of the 1st amendment to put some reasonable limitations in place. :^)


"I think it's embarrassing for the country to allow protesters."

Seems fucking cut and dry, my friend.

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Postby Petrasylvania » Wed Sep 05, 2018 9:56 am

Telconi wrote:
Vassenor wrote:Trump suggests that protesting should be illegal



First Amendment? What's that?


It's not in violation of the 1st amendment to put some reasonable limitations in place. :^)

They can burn shoes away from flammable objects. :^]
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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Wed Sep 05, 2018 9:56 am

Telconi wrote:
Vassenor wrote:Trump suggests that protesting should be illegal



First Amendment? What's that?


It's not in violation of the 1st amendment to put some reasonable limitations in place. :^)

Reasonable limitations as in not letting protests happen?
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Wed Sep 05, 2018 9:57 am

Internationalist Bastard wrote:
Telconi wrote:
It's not in violation of the 1st amendment to put some reasonable limitations in place. :^)

Reasonable limitations as in not letting protests happen?


Given what he's referencing that's about as reasonable, yeah.
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Postby Telconi » Wed Sep 05, 2018 9:57 am

Major-Tom wrote:
Telconi wrote:
It's not in violation of the 1st amendment to put some reasonable limitations in place. :^)


"I think it's embarrassing for the country to allow protesters."

Seems fucking cut and dry, my friend.


Nothing is cut and dry in regards to our constitution, it's as fluid as the SCOTUS line up.
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Postby Telconi » Wed Sep 05, 2018 9:58 am

Internationalist Bastard wrote:
Telconi wrote:
It's not in violation of the 1st amendment to put some reasonable limitations in place. :^)

Reasonable limitations as in not letting protests happen?


Sure.
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Postby Vassenor » Wed Sep 05, 2018 9:58 am

Telconi wrote:
Vassenor wrote:Trump suggests that protesting should be illegal



First Amendment? What's that?


It's not in violation of the 1st amendment to put some reasonable limitations in place. :^)


Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.


So how do your "reasonable limitations" not breach that?
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Postby Petrasylvania » Wed Sep 05, 2018 9:59 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Internationalist Bastard wrote:Reasonable limitations as in not letting protests happen?


Given what he's referencing that's about as reasonable, yeah.

But if a Democrat called for stifling protests, RAEG.
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Postby Vassenor » Wed Sep 05, 2018 9:59 am

So when is the Second Amendment crowd going to take action against this blatant attack on the Constitution by someone who swore to uphold it?
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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Wed Sep 05, 2018 10:01 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Internationalist Bastard wrote:Reasonable limitations as in not letting protests happen?


Given what he's referencing that's about as reasonable, yeah.

This isn’t “let’s stop violent protests”
It’s people at ent allowed to kneel to during a song, it’s pretty fucking stupid to be upset about, especially when you consider that Trump has achieved exactly what he wanted and distracted every one from what the protest was about
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Postby Telconi » Wed Sep 05, 2018 10:01 am

Vassenor wrote:
Telconi wrote:
It's not in violation of the 1st amendment to put some reasonable limitations in place. :^)


Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.


So how do your "reasonable limitations" not breach that?


Rights aren't absolute.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Wed Sep 05, 2018 10:01 am

Vassenor wrote:So when is the Second Amendment crowd going to take action against this blatant attack on the Constitution by someone who swore to uphold it?


The day when a party that actually respects the Constitution shows up and has a chance of winning I would assume. Until then you have to vote for the guys who respect the parts of it that are most relevant to you. Yay for American democracy.
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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Wed Sep 05, 2018 10:02 am

Telconi wrote:
Vassenor wrote:


So how do your "reasonable limitations" not breach that?


Rights aren't absolute.

Neat so when can I be dictator and force everyone to worship me?
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Postby Telconi » Wed Sep 05, 2018 10:02 am

Vassenor wrote:So when is the Second Amendment crowd going to take action against this blatant attack on the Constitution by someone who swore to uphold it?


Advocating for death is against site rules Vass.
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Postby Vassenor » Wed Sep 05, 2018 10:03 am

Telconi wrote:
Vassenor wrote:


So how do your "reasonable limitations" not breach that?


Rights aren't absolute.


Time to turn in your guns then if the right to bear arms is no longer absolute.
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Postby Telconi » Wed Sep 05, 2018 10:03 am

Internationalist Bastard wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Rights aren't absolute.

Neat so when can I be dictator and force everyone to worship me?


if you get 5+ SCOTUS justices to back you, then yes.
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Postby Telconi » Wed Sep 05, 2018 10:04 am

Vassenor wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Rights aren't absolute.


Time to turn in your guns then if the right to bear arms is no longer absolute.


Implying it was absolute before...
Implying this literally hasn't already happened...
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Wed Sep 05, 2018 10:05 am

Vassenor wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Rights aren't absolute.


Time to turn in your guns then if the right to bear arms is no longer absolute.


He lives in CA lol, the Democrats have already taken his guns.
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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Wed Sep 05, 2018 10:07 am

Telconi wrote:
Internationalist Bastard wrote:Neat so when can I be dictator and force everyone to worship me?


if you get 5+ SCOTUS justices to back you, then yes.

Hooray for no moral standards
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Postby Telconi » Wed Sep 05, 2018 10:07 am

Internationalist Bastard wrote:
Telconi wrote:
if you get 5+ SCOTUS justices to back you, then yes.

Hooray for no moral standards


Indeed...
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