NATION

PASSWORD

MAGAThread XIV: All persons born or naturalized ...

For discussion and debate about anything. (Not a roleplay related forum; out-of-character commentary only.)

Advertisement

Remove ads

User avatar
Jerzylvania
Postmaster-General
 
Posts: 14895
Founded: Aug 10, 2016
Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby Jerzylvania » Mon Aug 13, 2018 6:32 am

Zurkerx wrote:I think we can do a better title people even though I have no ideas for it :p


Rudy, Rudy, Rudy, my dear boy....
Donald Trump has no clue as to what "insuring the domestic tranquility" means

The Baltimore Orioles are shocking the baseball world!

Jerzylvania is the NFL Picks League Champion in 2018 and in 2020 as puppet Traffic Signal and AGAIN in 2023 as puppet Joe Munchkin !!!

User avatar
Petrasylvania
Postmaster-General
 
Posts: 10647
Founded: Oct 20, 2017
Ex-Nation

Postby Petrasylvania » Mon Aug 13, 2018 8:13 am

Vassenor wrote:
Oil exporting People wrote:Turkey and China have both been, for lack of a better term, hammered by the U.S. this year. Combined with Trump's stance on Japan, I wonder how much influence George Friedman's geopolitical thinking has had on Trump; we know back in 2012 Mitt Romney was reading up on his thinking. I personally own The Next 100 Years and The Next Decade, with Friedman largely being right with incredible accuracy so far.


Apparently Trump is single-handedly responsible for every bad economic policy decision Erdogan has made.

Also Trump is responsible for the sun rising in the morning and setting in the evening. Worship him.

Wait until they demolish Lincoln in the marble chair and replace it with a ripped Trump in a golden chair.
Crimes committed by Muslims will be proof of a pan-Islamic plot and Islam's inherent evil. On the other hand, crimes committed by non-Muslims will merely be the acts of mentally ill lone wolves who do not represent their professed belief system at all.
The probability of someone secretly participating in homosexual acts is directly proportional to the frequency and loudness of their publicly professed disapproval and/or disgust for homosexuality.
If Donald Trump accuses an individual of malfeasance without evidence, it is almost a certainty either he or someone associated with him has in fact committed that very same malfeasance to a greater degree.

New Flag Courtesy of The Realist Polities

User avatar
Zurkerx
Retired Moderator
 
Posts: 12388
Founded: Jan 20, 2011
Anarchy

Postby Zurkerx » Mon Aug 13, 2018 8:35 am

The Trump Administration is apparently rolling back the Military Lending Act

I wonder how some veterans may react to that, especially since Trump is Pro-Veteran.
A Golden Civic: The New Pragmatic Libertarian
My Words: Indeed, Indubitably & Malarkey
Retired Admin in NSGS and NS Parliament

Accountant, Author, History Buff, Political Junkie
“Has ambition so eclipsed principle?” ~ Mitt Romney
"Try not to become a person of success, but rather try to become a person of value." ~ Albert Einstein
"Trust, but verify." ~ Ronald Reagan

User avatar
Petrasylvania
Postmaster-General
 
Posts: 10647
Founded: Oct 20, 2017
Ex-Nation

Postby Petrasylvania » Mon Aug 13, 2018 8:42 am

Zurkerx wrote:The Trump Administration is apparently rolling back the Military Lending Act

I wonder how some veterans may react to that, especially since Trump is Pro-Veteran.

They'll blame Obama and Hillary as scapegoats.
Crimes committed by Muslims will be proof of a pan-Islamic plot and Islam's inherent evil. On the other hand, crimes committed by non-Muslims will merely be the acts of mentally ill lone wolves who do not represent their professed belief system at all.
The probability of someone secretly participating in homosexual acts is directly proportional to the frequency and loudness of their publicly professed disapproval and/or disgust for homosexuality.
If Donald Trump accuses an individual of malfeasance without evidence, it is almost a certainty either he or someone associated with him has in fact committed that very same malfeasance to a greater degree.

New Flag Courtesy of The Realist Polities

User avatar
Uxupox
Postmaster-General
 
Posts: 13447
Founded: Nov 13, 2014
Ex-Nation

Postby Uxupox » Mon Aug 13, 2018 9:19 am

Zurkerx wrote:The Trump Administration is apparently rolling back the Military Lending Act

I wonder how some veterans may react to that, especially since Trump is Pro-Veteran.


It's actually pretty good. There was a discussion at work about this. It's main target is the GAP(Guaranteed Auto Protection) Insurance which specifically targets service-members in which allows banks to kick back a requested loan because GAP involvement. A big con to this it's going to kid right out of high school make bad decisions about their monetary income. Hopefully financial officers pick up the slack and get them mandatory financial classes on payments that will take huge part of their monthly income.
Economic Left/Right: 0.00
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 0.00

User avatar
Farnhamia
Game Moderator
 
Posts: 112572
Founded: Jun 20, 2006
Left-Leaning College State

Postby Farnhamia » Mon Aug 13, 2018 9:45 am

Zurkerx wrote:I think we can do a better title people even though I have no ideas for it :p

You don't like the Fourteenth Amendment?
Make Earth Great Again: Stop Continental Drift!
And Jesus was a sailor when he walked upon the water ...
"Make yourself at home, Frank. Hit somebody." RIP Don Rickles
My country, right or wrong; if right, to be kept right; and if wrong, to be set right. ~ Carl Schurz
<Sigh> NSG...where even the atheists are Augustinians. ~ The Archregimancy
Now the foot is on the other hand ~ Kannap
RIP Dyakovo ... Ashmoria (Freedom ... or cake)
This is the eighth line. If your signature is longer, it's too long.

User avatar
Zurkerx
Retired Moderator
 
Posts: 12388
Founded: Jan 20, 2011
Anarchy

Postby Zurkerx » Mon Aug 13, 2018 9:58 am

Farnhamia wrote:
Zurkerx wrote:I think we can do a better title people even though I have no ideas for it :p

You don't like the Fourteenth Amendment?


Wow, I didn't even put the two together... Excuse me while I put myself in the corner so I can think what I have done wrong.

*puts self in corner, curls up in a ball




Uxupox wrote:
Zurkerx wrote:The Trump Administration is apparently rolling back the Military Lending Act

I wonder how some veterans may react to that, especially since Trump is Pro-Veteran.


It's actually pretty good. There was a discussion at work about this. It's main target is the GAP(Guaranteed Auto Protection) Insurance which specifically targets service-members in which allows banks to kick back a requested loan because GAP involvement. A big con to this it's going to kid right out of high school make bad decisions about their monetary income. Hopefully financial officers pick up the slack and get them mandatory financial classes on payments that will take huge part of their monthly income.


I mean, it could be if people were responsible and con artists weren't as prevalent. While I do think we should invest on educating people on the matter GAP Insurance (and other financial stuff), especially for veterans, I do think rolling it back without a clear replacement is not the best way to go.
Last edited by Zurkerx on Mon Aug 13, 2018 10:11 am, edited 1 time in total.
A Golden Civic: The New Pragmatic Libertarian
My Words: Indeed, Indubitably & Malarkey
Retired Admin in NSGS and NS Parliament

Accountant, Author, History Buff, Political Junkie
“Has ambition so eclipsed principle?” ~ Mitt Romney
"Try not to become a person of success, but rather try to become a person of value." ~ Albert Einstein
"Trust, but verify." ~ Ronald Reagan

User avatar
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp
Post Czar
 
Posts: 34994
Founded: Dec 18, 2013
Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Mon Aug 13, 2018 10:30 am

Did Trump side with Saudi over the Canada Saudi dispute?

If so, thats just another shitty thing he has done.

User avatar
Sick Jumps
Diplomat
 
Posts: 503
Founded: Jul 09, 2018
Ex-Nation

Postby Sick Jumps » Mon Aug 13, 2018 10:41 am

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:Did Trump side with Saudi over the Canada Saudi dispute?

If so, thats just another shitty thing he has done.

He values his relationship with the Saudis and places little value on democracy or human rights, so this is not surprising. The Saudis flattered him, backed him on Iran, and increased oil output when he asked them to.

Trump also personally dislikes Trudeau. International politics is, for him, very much about the personal interactions that he has with other leaders, as stupid as that sounds.

User avatar
Vassenor
Khan of Spam
 
Posts: 68135
Founded: Nov 11, 2010
Left-wing Utopia

Postby Vassenor » Mon Aug 13, 2018 10:47 am

Sick Jumps wrote:
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:Did Trump side with Saudi over the Canada Saudi dispute?

If so, thats just another shitty thing he has done.

He values his relationship with the Saudis and places little value on democracy or human rights, so this is not surprising. The Saudis flattered him, backed him on Iran, and increased oil output when he asked them to.

Trump also personally dislikes Trudeau. International politics is, for him, very much about the personal interactions that he has with other leaders, as stupid as that sounds.


Is he still smarting over being out handshaken?
Jenny / Sailor Astraea
WOMAN

MtF trans and proud - She / Her / etc.
100% Asbestos Free

Team Mystic
#iamEUropean

"Have you ever had a moment online, when the need to prove someone wrong has outweighed your own self-preservation instincts?"

User avatar
Zurkerx
Retired Moderator
 
Posts: 12388
Founded: Jan 20, 2011
Anarchy

Postby Zurkerx » Mon Aug 13, 2018 10:52 am

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:Did Trump side with Saudi over the Canada Saudi dispute?

If so, thats just another shitty thing he has done.


Well, he does like strong, authoritative figures, which he doesn't consider our allies to be so...

What I heard was that they are trying to dial back the hostilities on the matter although, there's no clear reporting on this (or reliable) on what I can find.
A Golden Civic: The New Pragmatic Libertarian
My Words: Indeed, Indubitably & Malarkey
Retired Admin in NSGS and NS Parliament

Accountant, Author, History Buff, Political Junkie
“Has ambition so eclipsed principle?” ~ Mitt Romney
"Try not to become a person of success, but rather try to become a person of value." ~ Albert Einstein
"Trust, but verify." ~ Ronald Reagan

User avatar
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp
Post Czar
 
Posts: 34994
Founded: Dec 18, 2013
Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Mon Aug 13, 2018 10:54 am

Sick Jumps wrote:
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:Did Trump side with Saudi over the Canada Saudi dispute?

If so, thats just another shitty thing he has done.

He values his relationship with the Saudis and places little value on democracy or human rights, so this is not surprising. The Saudis flattered him, backed him on Iran, and increased oil output when he asked them to.

Trump also personally dislikes Trudeau. International politics is, for him, very much about the personal interactions that he has with other leaders, as stupid as that sounds.


Oh.

Well then, thats shit. Not surprising, but still shit.

Shit that he has so little value on democracy or human rights. But like you said not surprising.'

Just another shitty thing Trump has done and hurt over 200 years of friendship over oil and the Saudis sucking his egos dick.

User avatar
Sick Jumps
Diplomat
 
Posts: 503
Founded: Jul 09, 2018
Ex-Nation

Postby Sick Jumps » Mon Aug 13, 2018 11:02 am

Zurkerx wrote:
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:Did Trump side with Saudi over the Canada Saudi dispute?

If so, thats just another shitty thing he has done.


Well, he does like strong, authoritative figures, which he doesn't consider our allies to be so...

What I heard was that they are trying to dial back the hostilities on the matter although, there's no clear reporting on this (or reliable) on what I can find.

The thing people have noticed is no statement backing human rights from the State Department. Normally they would do that, even if it is irritating to the Saudis.

Pompeo did call his Canadian counterpart Freeland to discuss the matter, but other than that I haven't seen anything.

User avatar
Sick Jumps
Diplomat
 
Posts: 503
Founded: Jul 09, 2018
Ex-Nation

Postby Sick Jumps » Mon Aug 13, 2018 11:22 am

I think the basic strategy from the White House is something like "our traditional, democratic allies won't abandon us, so we should focus on improving relations with marginal, authoritarian allies, and even our enemies. Human rights are also overrated as a foreign policy priority."

User avatar
Petrasylvania
Postmaster-General
 
Posts: 10647
Founded: Oct 20, 2017
Ex-Nation

Postby Petrasylvania » Mon Aug 13, 2018 11:46 am

Sick Jumps wrote:I think the basic strategy from the White House is something like "our traditional, democratic allies won't abandon us, so we should focus on improving relations with marginal, authoritarian allies, and even our enemies. Human rights are also overrated as a foreign policy priority."

Or "Lavish rewards on countries that praise and worship me."
Crimes committed by Muslims will be proof of a pan-Islamic plot and Islam's inherent evil. On the other hand, crimes committed by non-Muslims will merely be the acts of mentally ill lone wolves who do not represent their professed belief system at all.
The probability of someone secretly participating in homosexual acts is directly proportional to the frequency and loudness of their publicly professed disapproval and/or disgust for homosexuality.
If Donald Trump accuses an individual of malfeasance without evidence, it is almost a certainty either he or someone associated with him has in fact committed that very same malfeasance to a greater degree.

New Flag Courtesy of The Realist Polities

User avatar
Sick Jumps
Diplomat
 
Posts: 503
Founded: Jul 09, 2018
Ex-Nation

Postby Sick Jumps » Mon Aug 13, 2018 11:55 am

Petrasylvania wrote:
Sick Jumps wrote:I think the basic strategy from the White House is something like "our traditional, democratic allies won't abandon us, so we should focus on improving relations with marginal, authoritarian allies, and even our enemies. Human rights are also overrated as a foreign policy priority."

Or "Lavish rewards on countries that praise and worship me."

That too. :(

User avatar
Zurkerx
Retired Moderator
 
Posts: 12388
Founded: Jan 20, 2011
Anarchy

Postby Zurkerx » Mon Aug 13, 2018 12:27 pm

Sick Jumps wrote:
Zurkerx wrote:
Well, he does like strong, authoritative figures, which he doesn't consider our allies to be so...

What I heard was that they are trying to dial back the hostilities on the matter although, there's no clear reporting on this (or reliable) on what I can find.

The thing people have noticed is no statement backing human rights from the State Department. Normally they would do that, even if it is irritating to the Saudis.

Pompeo did call his Canadian counterpart Freeland to discuss the matter, but other than that I haven't seen anything.


To be fair, I don't think the world's most powerful democracy gives a damn about human rights, at least, not this current administration. It'll be ultimately up to voters in November if they want to continue this path or choose a different one. Maybe then the message will get through the White House, who knows.
A Golden Civic: The New Pragmatic Libertarian
My Words: Indeed, Indubitably & Malarkey
Retired Admin in NSGS and NS Parliament

Accountant, Author, History Buff, Political Junkie
“Has ambition so eclipsed principle?” ~ Mitt Romney
"Try not to become a person of success, but rather try to become a person of value." ~ Albert Einstein
"Trust, but verify." ~ Ronald Reagan

User avatar
Maineiacs
Negotiator
 
Posts: 7323
Founded: May 26, 2005
Left-wing Utopia

Postby Maineiacs » Mon Aug 13, 2018 1:44 pm

Zurkerx wrote:
Sick Jumps wrote:The thing people have noticed is no statement backing human rights from the State Department. Normally they would do that, even if it is irritating to the Saudis.

Pompeo did call his Canadian counterpart Freeland to discuss the matter, but other than that I haven't seen anything.


To be fair, I don't think the world's most powerful democracy gives a damn about human rights, at least, not this current administration. It'll be ultimately up to voters in November if they want to continue this path or choose a different one. Maybe then the message will get through the White House, who knows.



If the Dems take the House, Trump will spend the next two years bawling about how the election was rigged.
Economic:-8.12 Social:-7.59 Moral Rules:5 Moral Order:-5
Muravyets: Maineiacs, you are brilliant, too! I stand in delighted awe.
Sane Outcasts:When your best case scenario is five kilometers of nuclear contamination, you know someone fucked up.
Geniasis: Christian values are incompatible with Conservative ideals. I cannot both follow the teachings of Christ and be a Republican. Therefore, I choose to not be a Republican.
Galloism: If someone will build a wall around Donald Trump, I'll pay for it.
Bottle tells it like it is
add 6,928 to post count

User avatar
Ifreann
Post Overlord
 
Posts: 164106
Founded: Aug 07, 2005
Iron Fist Socialists

Postby Ifreann » Mon Aug 13, 2018 1:54 pm

Maineiacs wrote:
Zurkerx wrote:
To be fair, I don't think the world's most powerful democracy gives a damn about human rights, at least, not this current administration. It'll be ultimately up to voters in November if they want to continue this path or choose a different one. Maybe then the message will get through the White House, who knows.



If the Dems take the House, Trump will spend the next two years bawling about how the election was rigged.

"Russians hacked the election, folks. It's true. It's true. When they said it about me, that wasn't true, there was no collusion with Trump. But the Democrats, so much collusion, believe me."
He/Him

beating the devil
we never run from the devil
we never summon the devil
we never hide from from the devil
we never

User avatar
Zurkerx
Retired Moderator
 
Posts: 12388
Founded: Jan 20, 2011
Anarchy

Postby Zurkerx » Mon Aug 13, 2018 1:55 pm

Maineiacs wrote:
Zurkerx wrote:
To be fair, I don't think the world's most powerful democracy gives a damn about human rights, at least, not this current administration. It'll be ultimately up to voters in November if they want to continue this path or choose a different one. Maybe then the message will get through the White House, who knows.



If the Dems take the House, Trump will spend the next two years bawling about how the election was rigged.


Oh, I wouldn't be surprised if he does that, especially since it'll make his life hell with the Dems subpoenaing people and trying to grant protections for Mueller.
A Golden Civic: The New Pragmatic Libertarian
My Words: Indeed, Indubitably & Malarkey
Retired Admin in NSGS and NS Parliament

Accountant, Author, History Buff, Political Junkie
“Has ambition so eclipsed principle?” ~ Mitt Romney
"Try not to become a person of success, but rather try to become a person of value." ~ Albert Einstein
"Trust, but verify." ~ Ronald Reagan

User avatar
Petrasylvania
Postmaster-General
 
Posts: 10647
Founded: Oct 20, 2017
Ex-Nation

Postby Petrasylvania » Mon Aug 13, 2018 2:01 pm

Ifreann wrote:
Maineiacs wrote:

If the Dems take the House, Trump will spend the next two years bawling about how the election was rigged.

"Russians hacked the election, folks. It's true. It's true. When they said it about me, that wasn't true, there was no collusion with Trump. But the Democrats, so much collusion, believe me."

"But when Trump colluded with Russia, it was not a crime. The real crime was Crooked Hillary colluding with Russia. Not a puppet, not a puppet, you're the puppet."
Crimes committed by Muslims will be proof of a pan-Islamic plot and Islam's inherent evil. On the other hand, crimes committed by non-Muslims will merely be the acts of mentally ill lone wolves who do not represent their professed belief system at all.
The probability of someone secretly participating in homosexual acts is directly proportional to the frequency and loudness of their publicly professed disapproval and/or disgust for homosexuality.
If Donald Trump accuses an individual of malfeasance without evidence, it is almost a certainty either he or someone associated with him has in fact committed that very same malfeasance to a greater degree.

New Flag Courtesy of The Realist Polities

User avatar
Tobleste
Minister
 
Posts: 2713
Founded: Dec 27, 2017
Democratic Socialists

Postby Tobleste » Mon Aug 13, 2018 2:19 pm

Zurkerx wrote:
Maineiacs wrote:

If the Dems take the House, Trump will spend the next two years bawling about how the election was rigged.


Oh, I wouldn't be surprised if he does that, especially since it'll make his life hell with the Dems subpoenaing people and trying to grant protections for Mueller.


Part of me hopes a dem house would take a page from the republican playbook on Benghazi and drag out every investigation as long as possible and uncover every dirty secret imaginable. Obviously the dream is to get him under oath. :p
Social Democrat
Political Compass:
Economic Left/Right: -4.63
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.26

User avatar
Tobleste
Minister
 
Posts: 2713
Founded: Dec 27, 2017
Democratic Socialists

Postby Tobleste » Mon Aug 13, 2018 2:25 pm

http://uk.businessinsider.com/trump-rem ... ers-2018-8

Trump reportedly tries to call world leaders at odd hours and has to be reminded of different time zones on a 'constant basis'

Even when Trump does prepare for meetings or conversations with other foreign leaders, there's apparently quite a learning curve — for example, he referred to Nepal as "nipple" and Bhutan as "button" as aides prepped him for a meeting with India's prime minister, Politico reported, citing two sources with knowledge of the meeting.


I wouldn't believe it if not for the "Nambia" thing.
Last edited by Tobleste on Mon Aug 13, 2018 2:26 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Social Democrat
Political Compass:
Economic Left/Right: -4.63
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.26

User avatar
Chan Island
Negotiator
 
Posts: 6824
Founded: Nov 26, 2015
Ex-Nation

Postby Chan Island » Mon Aug 13, 2018 2:27 pm

Tobleste wrote:http://uk.businessinsider.com/trump-reminded-of-different-time-zones-calling-world-leaders-2018-8

Even when Trump does prepare for meetings or conversations with other foreign leaders, there's apparently quite a learning curve — for example, he referred to Nepal as "nipple" and Bhutan as "button" as aides prepped him for a meeting with India's prime minister, Politico reported, citing two sources with knowledge of the meeting.


I wouldn't believe it if not for the "Nambia" thing.


Yup. I am overwhelmingly unsurprised to learn about this.

EDIT: I'm pretty amused to learn that he calls Macron for no reason, and apparently has done this multiple times. Some of those transcripts or recordings must be comedy gold.
Last edited by Chan Island on Mon Aug 13, 2018 2:31 pm, edited 2 times in total.
viewtopic.php?f=20&t=513597&p=39401766#p39401766
Conserative Morality wrote:"It's not time yet" is a tactic used by reactionaries in every era. "It's not time for democracy, it's not time for capitalism, it's not time for emancipation." Of course it's not time. It's never time, not on its own. You make it time. If you're under fire in the no-man's land of WW1, you start digging a foxhole even if the ideal time would be when you *aren't* being bombarded, because once you wait for it to be 'time', other situations will need your attention, assuming you survive that long. If the fields aren't furrowed, plow them. If the iron is not hot, make it so. If society is not ready, change it.

User avatar
Vassenor
Khan of Spam
 
Posts: 68135
Founded: Nov 11, 2010
Left-wing Utopia

Postby Vassenor » Mon Aug 13, 2018 2:33 pm

Tobleste wrote:http://uk.businessinsider.com/trump-reminded-of-different-time-zones-calling-world-leaders-2018-8

Trump reportedly tries to call world leaders at odd hours and has to be reminded of different time zones on a 'constant basis'

Even when Trump does prepare for meetings or conversations with other foreign leaders, there's apparently quite a learning curve — for example, he referred to Nepal as "nipple" and Bhutan as "button" as aides prepped him for a meeting with India's prime minister, Politico reported, citing two sources with knowledge of the meeting.


I wouldn't believe it if not for the "Nambia" thing.


Are we sure he's not going senile?
Jenny / Sailor Astraea
WOMAN

MtF trans and proud - She / Her / etc.
100% Asbestos Free

Team Mystic
#iamEUropean

"Have you ever had a moment online, when the need to prove someone wrong has outweighed your own self-preservation instincts?"

PreviousNext

Advertisement

Remove ads

Return to General

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: El Lazaro, HISPIDA, Kostane, Narland, Pasong Tirad, Pridelantic people, Quartum Imperium Romanum, Rusozak, Statesburg, Stratonesia, The Xenopolis Confederation, Uiiop, Volkhar

Advertisement

Remove ads