Hungary Bans Gender Studies at Unis

[Salandriagado]

No they weren't. The university system, largely as we know it, were created in the pursuit of knowledge for the sake of knowledge either to get closer with God and then later for the advancement of the sciences and arts for the glory of mankind.

Also, considering the first Western-style universities were opened in the late medieval period, where the labor market was just farming, nobility, death, or the army, it doesn't even make historical sense to say universities were designed to service the labor pool.

That's the past. Find me one lad that goes to a university just because they want to expand their knowledge on a field. An overwhelming majority studies in a university solely to find a job, because they know that without a degree these days, you don't go far.
And if you do set as an example Bill Gates or Steven Jobs, they were in a different time, where computers and microprocessors were just picking up momentum.

*Raises hand*

[Salandriagado]

You just repeated yourself.

You're still not thinking about the non-insignificant group of people who do use universities for study and broadening their knowledge. Utilitarianism is a gross philosophical school of thought, btw, not everything has to service a clear purpose.

Allow me to ask you a question;
Do you know anyone who would go to a university for the sole reason of expanding their knowledge on a subject and not to find a job?
Just for the fun of it?

Literally every PhD student in the department. Previously, every academic in the department. Most of the masters students and a fair proportion of the undergrads, too.

[Salandriagado]

What's wrong with a source with the biggest proofreading body in the world?

At the highest levels, wikipedia is never used as proof of anything. but clearly you guys are nowhere near the highest level. So ok.

I use it all the fucking time. It's pretty much the most effective source you can give outside of research papers and SE/MO.

[Proctopeo]

No. That's just retarded.

It literally is. The Y chromosome started as an "X", but lost an arm somewhere along the way due to an error of exactly the kind that you are talking about.

That error happened 166 million years ago and managed to stick around. I think that's a different matter than some people sometimes being born with different numbers of sex chromosomes in ways that don't provide any net benefit.

At the highest levels, wikipedia is never used as proof of anything. but clearly you guys are nowhere near the highest level. So ok.

I use it all the fucking time. It's pretty much the most effective source you can give outside of research papers and SE/MO.

It's best to check their sources, if readily accessible, in case of human error on the part of the editors, or some other extraneous detail, like a recent edit war.

[United Anorbonum]

Good for Hungary.

[The New California Republic]

No. That's just retarded.

It literally is. The Y chromosome started as an "X", but lost an arm somewhere along the way due to an error of exactly the kind that you are talking about.

"And that little mistake grew up to be the war of the sexes. Goodnight kids!" *Kisses*

Oh I wish I had been given those kinds of factual bedtime stories when I was a kid.

[Post War America]

You just repeated yourself.

You're still not thinking about the non-insignificant group of people who do use universities for study and broadening their knowledge. Utilitarianism is a gross philosophical school of thought, btw, not everything has to service a clear purpose.

Allow me to ask you a question;
Do you know anyone who would go to a university for the sole reason of expanding their knowledge on a subject and not to find a job?
Just for the fun of it?

*Raises had*

I mean jeez, if I took the course of action that would best suit me to meeting the needs of the labor market I would've been working full time during secondary school, and then taken a job right out. Hell in some ways going to uni actually hurt my job getting prospects as while I don't have an entirely useless degree (double major in Communication and Education with a minor in Spanish, in a very densely Hispanic area), many of the minimum wage jobs I had been depending on won't hire me anymore, because they know I'll leave the second something better comes up. I just felt that getting a degree would make me a more educated and engaged citizen.

[Petrolheadia]

Allow me to ask you a question;
Do you know anyone who would go to a university for the sole reason of expanding their knowledge on a subject and not to find a job?
Just for the fun of it?

*Raises had*

I mean jeez, if I took the course of action that would best suit me to meeting the needs of the labor market I would've been working full time during secondary school, and then taken a job right out. Hell in some ways going to uni actually hurt my job getting prospects as while I don't have an entirely useless degree (double major in Communication and Education with a minor in Spanish, in a very densely Hispanic area), many of the minimum wage jobs I had been depending on won't hire me anymore, because they know I'll leave the second something better comes up. I just felt that getting a degree would make me a more educated and engaged citizen.

That would be a good point if getting a degree took two weeks.

Meanwhile, you spent a few years of your life and the price of a new car, while in no way improving anything useful. I'd consider myself a failure if I wasted so much money with so little effect.

[Petrolheadia]

It literally is. The Y chromosome started as an "X", but lost an arm somewhere along the way due to an error of exactly the kind that you are talking about.

That error happened 166 million years ago and managed to stick around. I think that's a different matter than some people sometimes being born with different numbers of sex chromosomes in ways that don't provide any net benefit.

It's just the most probable, and as a result the center one in society, nothing more than that.

[Immoren]

Gender studies might be waste of time, but they probably said same about fledgling natural philosophies back then millenia ago...
...But that's probably false comparison.

[Gospel Power]

God bless Hungary and Prime Minister Viktor Orbán

[New Jibby]

How can they even make a course about 2 genders. Its really not thatcomplicated. I mean i can understand them banning this.

Gender studies might be waste of time, but they probably said same about fledgling natural philosophies back then millenia ago

How can you compare that to gender studies?

[The New California Republic]

God bless Hungary and Prime Minister Viktor Orbán

[Ifreann]

How can they even make a course about 2 genders. Its really not thatcomplicated. I mean i can understand them banning this.

How can they even make a course about 8 planets?

[The New California Republic]

How can they even make a course about 2 genders. Its really not thatcomplicated. I mean i can understand them banning this.

How can they even make a course about 8 planets?

Nine. Justice 4 Pluto.

[Post War America]

*Raises had*

I mean jeez, if I took the course of action that would best suit me to meeting the needs of the labor market I would've been working full time during secondary school, and then taken a job right out. Hell in some ways going to uni actually hurt my job getting prospects as while I don't have an entirely useless degree (double major in Communication and Education with a minor in Spanish, in a very densely Hispanic area), many of the minimum wage jobs I had been depending on won't hire me anymore, because they know I'll leave the second something better comes up. I just felt that getting a degree would make me a more educated and engaged citizen.

That would be a good point if getting a degree took two weeks.

Meanwhile, you spent a few years of your life and the price of a new car, while in no way improving anything useful. I'd consider myself a failure if I wasted so much money with so little effect.

You're more than welcome to possess that philosophy, I know plenty of people that do. I however, have always found a fool's errand to go to uni exclusively to become more employable. The needs of the job market change on a damn near daily basis and any sort of training program that takes years (the shortest professional cert programs worth the paper they're printed on that don't require you to already have a degree tend to take at least one year to complete) to complete just can't keep up. period. While I for one have precisely zero interest in molding myself into the ideal wage drone for the capitalist system, I suspect that the ideal choice lies somewhere on the nexus of what is interesting for the student to pursue and what will provide some meaningful skills for life. As for the price tag, I don't know what new cars you're buying, but I went to Uni on the cheap.

[Diopolis]

How can they even make a course about 2 genders. Its really not thatcomplicated. I mean i can understand them banning this.

How can they even make a course about 8 planets?

Four times more easily than about two genders, apparently.

[New Kvenland]

How can they even make a course about 2 genders. Its really not thatcomplicated. I mean i can understand them banning this.

...Are you under the impression that gender studies is literally just studying what genders are

[Phoenicaea]

honestly, I m ambiguos about if I would applaud the european parliamentary ban about Victor Orban government.

I suppose if they show me the actual weight of the things, it may be I would. still, there is more severe matter to condemn.

if the matter to be the state of law, then Poland should be going through a fascist reform more than Hungary.

if the matter is political, then all european institution ignored denounces about the deepness and dying of the state of law italy before, which has been the leading well of the unclean water.

Victor Orbam may be a memento about each one could always turn into a ridicule fat and oppressor-minded clown, still no way this is a method for european people party to reform and amend its own shame.

it is a farce and e.p.p. -the party groping with Berlusconi and Sarkozy- will keep, ruling all with its own huge shame.
with the pretemtion of condemn Victor Orban while they made the same, they ve made the same before and worse.

[Petrolheadia]

That would be a good point if getting a degree took two weeks.

Meanwhile, you spent a few years of your life and the price of a new car, while in no way improving anything useful. I'd consider myself a failure if I wasted so much money with so little effect.

You're more than welcome to possess that philosophy, I know plenty of people that do. I however, have always found a fool's errand to go to uni exclusively to become more employable. The needs of the job market change on a damn near daily basis and any sort of training program that takes years (the shortest professional cert programs worth the paper they're printed on that don't require you to already have a degree tend to take at least one year to complete) to complete just can't keep up. period. While I for one have precisely zero interest in molding myself into the ideal wage drone for the capitalist system, I suspect that the ideal choice lies somewhere on the nexus of what is interesting for the student to pursue and what will provide some meaningful skills for life. As for the price tag, I don't know what new cars you're buying, but I went to Uni on the cheap.

The job market does evolve, but there are projectable trends, and "trendy" majors aren't necessarily a good thing. I was more thinking about traditionally well-paying degrees (e.g. medical ones) that you know you'd be fit for.

Car prices in the US start at $12,110 for buying, and $129/mo+$2999 at signing for leasing.

[Ifreann]

How can they even make a course about 2 genders. Its really not thatcomplicated. I mean i can understand them banning this.

...Are you under the impression that gender studies is literally just studying what genders are

Once you know how many of a thing there are, what more is there to learn about them? Scientists don't study what elements do, they just try to count how many there are. Politics courses just teach people how many countries there are. Geography is just counting rivers, mountains, deserts, etc.

[Post War America]

You're more than welcome to possess that philosophy, I know plenty of people that do. I however, have always found a fool's errand to go to uni exclusively to become more employable. The needs of the job market change on a damn near daily basis and any sort of training program that takes years (the shortest professional cert programs worth the paper they're printed on that don't require you to already have a degree tend to take at least one year to complete) to complete just can't keep up. period. While I for one have precisely zero interest in molding myself into the ideal wage drone for the capitalist system, I suspect that the ideal choice lies somewhere on the nexus of what is interesting for the student to pursue and what will provide some meaningful skills for life. As for the price tag, I don't know what new cars you're buying, but I went to Uni on the cheap.

The job market does evolve, but there are projectable trends, and "trendy" majors aren't necessarily a good thing. I was more thinking about traditionally well-paying degrees (e.g. medical ones) that you know you'd be fit for.

Car prices in the US start at $12,110 for buying, and $129/mo+$2999 at signing for leasing.

Part of the reason though that there are traditionally well paying degrees is because they tend to be professions in high demand that cannot adequately be supplied. Everybody needs a doctor, but not many people can go through the years of extremely rigorous schooling (minimum two for nurses and certain technicians, and more for doctors) that it takes to come out the degree, nevermind the years of residency, further training on so on that it takes to actually start being paid like a doctor. Same goes for engineers, architects, and others. I've known many people that wanted to go into medical or STEM fields, and went to uni only to burn out catastrophically part of the way through. Hence my assertion that going to uni to get a job is a poorer choice than going to uni to learn useful skills more generally.

[Petrolheadia]

The job market does evolve, but there are projectable trends, and "trendy" majors aren't necessarily a good thing. I was more thinking about traditionally well-paying degrees (e.g. medical ones) that you know you'd be fit for.

Car prices in the US start at $12,110 for buying, and $129/mo+$2999 at signing for leasing.

Part of the reason though that there are traditionally well paying degrees is because they tend to be professions in high demand that cannot adequately be supplied. Everybody needs a doctor, but not many people can go through the years of extremely rigorous schooling (minimum two for nurses and certain technicians, and more for doctors) that it takes to come out the degree, nevermind the years of residency, further training on so on that it takes to actually start being paid like a doctor. Same goes for engineers, architects, and others. I've known many people that wanted to go into medical or STEM fields, and went to uni only to burn out catastrophically part of the way through. Hence my assertion that going to uni to get a job is a poorer choice than going to uni to learn useful skills more generally.

Then explore other jobs, and possibly not go to university at all, so you don't spend the price of a new car on some vague self-improvement.

[Post War America]

Part of the reason though that there are traditionally well paying degrees is because they tend to be professions in high demand that cannot adequately be supplied. Everybody needs a doctor, but not many people can go through the years of extremely rigorous schooling (minimum two for nurses and certain technicians, and more for doctors) that it takes to come out the degree, nevermind the years of residency, further training on so on that it takes to actually start being paid like a doctor. Same goes for engineers, architects, and others. I've known many people that wanted to go into medical or STEM fields, and went to uni only to burn out catastrophically part of the way through. Hence my assertion that going to uni to get a job is a poorer choice than going to uni to learn useful skills more generally.

Then explore other jobs, and possibly not go to university at all, so you don't spend the price of a new car on some vague self-improvement.

Except that's not a good idea. Companies have basically dropped their own training programs and expect universities to do that training on their (and the student's) dime. This means that uni is often necessary for even entry level jobs. For example, where I live, unless you have a degree you're not getting really any job outside of minimum wage, generally temporary work, period. That's not a recipe for a prosperous, or even stable existence.

You keep bringing up the price of a new car, and that begs the question why does nobody question the value of buying a new car, but will immediately attack anybody spending that money on an aforementioned degree? A new car is a massive expenditure that at best only marginally improves one's ability to get a high paying job, and will certainly be less useful in that capacity than all but the most esoteric of degree programs, supports no more jobs than a university degree, is not only is expensive, but by its very nature requires further, often extremely large expenditures of money to even function properly, and worse only depreciates in value as time goes on. A degree in almost any case a degree is a permanent asset, whereas a new car will almost certainly be junk within 10-15 years.

[Tebuh]

truly the most pressing issue of our times