Hungary Bans Gender Studies at Unis

[Grenartia]

1. Prove it.
2. You said, giving your pure opinion.

I guess by your own logic, your post is just as ridiculous as gender studies.

Proof: There are 2 genders. That's the whole subject. It's too small to not be ridiculout.

There are more than 2 genders. The entire initial assumption of your "proof" is invalid, so therefore, is the rest of it.

[Frievolk]

How is it ridiculous?

It's simple. There are 2 genders, quite obviously. The entire subject is that there are 2 genders. I'm not even old enough to drive and i just taught the entire subject.

That's... not what Gender studies as an academic degree is about though. what you described would be more of a biology thing. Which you are wrong about, due to your lackluster education, probably. (Gender doesn't even exist, sex is probably on a spectrum though we can't prove or disprove it yet. At least if the academia are to be believed)

[New Transeurasia]

It's simple. There are 2 genders, quite obviously. The entire subject is that there are 2 genders. I'm not even old enough to drive and i just taught the entire subject.

Even if it were true that there are only two genders, that's no reason not to study gender.

Why, a better study would be to study orientation, as there are only two genders, nothing more to that. There are like 6+ orientations.

[Frievolk]

Proof: There are 2 genders. That's the whole subject. It's too small to not be ridiculout.

There are more than 2 genders. The entire initial assumption of your "proof" is invalid, so therefore, is the rest of it.

Gender studies isn't about "how many" genders. It's about the study of gender roles, etc.

[Ifreann]

1. Prove it.
2. You said, giving your pure opinion.

I guess by your own logic, your post is just as ridiculous as gender studies.

What skills does it impart an actual study discipline does not?

I am not selling my opinion as an $80,000 degree with promises of future employment.

Where did you get the idea that getting a degree in Hungary costs $80,000?

[Annihitor the Incred]

It's simple. There are 2 genders, quite obviously. The entire subject is that there are 2 genders. I'm not even old enough to drive and i just taught the entire subject.

Even if it were true that there are only two genders, that's no reason not to study gender.

Biology and psychology already do that. GS as it stands is not scientific, but subjectively ideological.

What skills does it impart an actual study discipline does not?

I am not selling my opinion as an $80,000 degree with promises of future employment.

Where did you get the idea that getting a degree in Hungary costs $80,000?

No country specifically, my argument is a general one. There is also this thing called opportunity cost.

[Grenartia]

1. Prove it.
2. You said, giving your pure opinion.

I guess by your own logic, your post is just as ridiculous as gender studies.

1. What skills does it impart an actual study discipline does not?

2. I am not selling my opinion as an $80,000 degree with promises of future employment.

1. I could ask the same thing about an economics or business degree.

2. Degrees aren't 'sold', and especially not 'with promises of future employment'.

[Grenartia]

Not quite obviously.



Prove that's the entire subject.



Something tells me you don't actually know enough about the entire subject to make that kind of determination.

The scientific field of psychology says you're incorrect.

[Grenartia]

It's simple. There are 2 genders, quite obviously. The entire subject is that there are 2 genders. I'm not even old enough to drive and i just taught the entire subject.

That's... not what Gender studies as an academic degree is about though. what you described would be more of a biology thing. Which you are wrong about, due to your lackluster education, probably. (Gender doesn't even exist, sex is probably on a spectrum though we can't prove or disprove it yet. At least if the academia are to be believed)

To be fair, gender does exist, even if it is primarily a social phenomenon.

[Annihitor the Incred]

1. What skills does it impart an actual study discipline does not?

2. I am not selling my opinion as an $80,000 degree with promises of future employment.

1. I could ask the same thing about an economics or business degree.

2. Degrees aren't 'sold', and especially not 'with promises of future employment'.

1. Hey, at least they're honestly trying for objective measurements.

2. You are incorrect. Colleges advertise their programs, which they are paid for teaching, with the promise of field-relevant work upon completion.

[Frievolk]

That's... not what Gender studies as an academic degree is about though. what you described would be more of a biology thing. Which you are wrong about, due to your lackluster education, probably. (Gender doesn't even exist, sex is probably on a spectrum though we can't prove or disprove it yet. At least if the academia are to be believed)

To be fair, gender does exist, even if it is primarily a social phenomenon.

In the fields NT suggested (which would be biology and psychology), Gender (which is only a grammatical and then cultural concept) does not exist.

[Des-Bal]

The scientific field of psychology says you're incorrect.

I'm still looking for hard evidence if you have it.

[New Transeurasia]

The scientific field of psychology says you're incorrect.

There are 2 genders, though more than 10 orientations. You think the fact that there are 2 genders is psychology? It's biology. Simple biology.

[Grenartia]

Even if it were true that there are only two genders, that's no reason not to study gender.

Biology and psychology already do that. GS as it stands is not scientific, but subjectively ideological.

By that reasoning, chemistry is subjectively ideological, since chemistry is a direct result of quantum mechanics, and therefore, a subset of QM.

[Frievolk]

The scientific field of psychology says you're incorrect.

There are 2 genders, though more than 10 orientations. You think the fact that there are 2 genders is psychology? It's biology. Simple biology.

Gender does not exist in biology. Sex does. and That is, probably, on a spectrum. The idea of a binary sex system hasn't been taken seriously since, what, the 90s?

[Annihitor the Incred]

Biology and psychology already do that. GS as it stands is not scientific, but subjectively ideological.

By that reasoning, chemistry is subjectively ideological, since chemistry is a direct result of quantum mechanics, and therefore, a subset of QM.

Um, no? Chemistry and quantum mechanics are very much empirically grounded sciences.

Mix water with soap, then tell me the result is subjective.

[Ifreann]

Even if it were true that there are only two genders, that's no reason not to study gender.

Why, a better study would be to study orientation, as there are only two genders, nothing more to that. There are like 6+ orientations.

We should study gender because gender is a phenomenon that we can seek to understand. We can try to understand why it exists and how it came about and how it impacts our lives and whether it is changing over time and why that is or isn't so, and so on, and so forth.

This would all be true even if there were only two genders. What kind of objection even is that? Do you think we shouldn't study the planets because there's only eight?

[Grenartia]

1. I could ask the same thing about an economics or business degree.

2. Degrees aren't 'sold', and especially not 'with promises of future employment'.

1. Hey, at least they're honestly trying for objective measurements.

2. You are incorrect. Colleges advertise their programs, which they are paid for teaching, with the promise of field-relevant work upon completion.

1. I've seen no evidence for that claim.

2. No, they aren't. I was never promised an automatic job in physics when I enrolled in that major.

Degrees aren't sold, because no amount of money will get you that degree if you don't put in the actual work for it, unless you're going to a diploma mill (which have terrible reputations for that exact reason).

[Shrillland]

Even if it were true that there are only two genders, that's no reason not to study gender.

Biology and psychology already do that. GS as it stands is not scientific, but subjectively ideological.

Where did you get the idea that getting a degree in Hungary costs $80,000?

No country specifically, my argument is a general one. There is also this thing called opportunity cost.

They don't cost 22.7 million ft, the costs are lower in terms of pure money. Hungary pays for students so long as the students work in Hungary after graduation and pay the government back through salary deductions, as I seem to mention once or twice a day in this thread.

[Grenartia]

To be fair, gender does exist, even if it is primarily a social phenomenon.

In the fields NT suggested (which would be biology and psychology), Gender (which is only a grammatical and then cultural concept) does not exist.

Actually, no, it is covered in psych, and certainly as more than a "grammatical concept". It is a psycho-social phenomenon and is studied as such.

[Grenartia]

The scientific field of psychology says you're incorrect.

There are 2 genders, though more than 10 orientations. You think the fact that there are 2 genders is psychology? It's biology. Simple biology.

You are thinking of sex, which is distinct from gender, and actually is biology. And there are still more than 2 of both sex and gender.

[Frievolk]

In the fields NT suggested (which would be biology and psychology), Gender (which is only a grammatical and then cultural concept) does not exist.

Actually, no, it is covered in psych, and certainly as more than a "grammatical concept". It is a psycho-social phenomenon and is studied as such.

Is it studied in biology though?
(and no. Gender as a concept isn't studied in psych. sex is)

[Annihitor the Incred]

1. Hey, at least they're honestly trying for objective measurements.

2. You are incorrect. Colleges advertise their programs, which they are paid for teaching, with the promise of field-relevant work upon completion.

1. I've seen no evidence for that claim.

2. No, they aren't. I was never promised an automatic job in physics when I enrolled in that major.

Degrees aren't sold, because no amount of money will get you that degree if you don't put in the actual work for it, unless you're going to a diploma mill (which have terrible reputations for that exact reason).

1. Economics has statistically grounded models (except for Austrian economics) which, while very general, are of some predictive and descriptive use. Business, though not taught by actual businessmen and thus fairly crap, is teaching what it can theoretically, which is never enough of course. GS peddles a political position with no attempt at imparting applicable knowledge.

2. You pay money to study in college with the intent of obtaining a degree. The college is glad to describe to you the job opportunities you will have upon graduating. Not so?

[Grenartia]

By that reasoning, chemistry is subjectively ideological, since chemistry is a direct result of quantum mechanics, and therefore, a subset of QM.

Um, no? Chemistry and quantum mechanics are very much empirically grounded sciences.

Mix water with soap, then tell me the result is subjective.

[Novum Imperium Atlanticum]

Tis a simple thing really....