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Postby Flarbinia » Sun Aug 12, 2018 12:18 pm

Cekoviu wrote:
Flarbinia wrote:The Left is the Democrats or any other party that is considered liberal.

Whoa, pause there a moment. I want you to read the Wikipedia page on leftism and the Democratic Party, then tell me if you still seriously think that the Democratic Party can be called "left" in pretty much any sense of the term.
Sarah Jeong, a woman who posted anti-white tweets, was hired by the New York Times,

Was she hired after posting the tweets or hired before posting them? And was she hired or did she merely write an opinion piece?
while Candace Owens, a black woman,

What does her being black have anything to do with this?
was banned from Twitter for taking one of Sarah's tweets and changing the word "white" to "Jewish" and harassed by SJWs, all of whom were white, in public for being conservative.

All of the people who criticized Candace Owens, every single one of them, was white? Wow, that's impressive.
Sanctuary Cities were created by liberals in opposition to Trump's "racist" immigration policies.

Ah, but you are talking about liberals, not SJWs here. You need to stay consistent with the subject matter, matey. By the way, the sanctuary city movement in the US started in the 1980s, long before people cared at all about Donald Trump's opinions on immigration. Might want to fact-check before you make ridiculous assertions, mm?
I did not say that someone can't oppose racism if your white.

Not outright, but you very obviously implied it with your statement. Whether or not you believe it, I don't know, but you did heavily imply it.
I clearly said that SJWs complain about racial inequality and shout "down with white supremacy", yet most are white people. What I forgot to mention is that white SJWs are self-loathing and only oppose racism for the sake of being pious.

Ah. Well, I'm a white SJW and I can assure you that I'm not self-loathing. Honestly, I don't think you can really determine that unless you've had a psychiatric evaluation with every white SJW, and I'm almost certain you haven't. So where does that leave us?
You want a citation for Hollywood liberals wanting to remove Trump's star from Hollywood? Here is your citation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7sSuOru9QQ

Yes, I'm aware of that part, but are the same people saying that rapists' stars ought to be kept?

Wikipedia is not a reliable source of information, as it can be edited by anyone. She was hired years after the tweets were made. Liberals claim that black people can't be racist, yet Candace Owens made an anti-Semitic quote and got banned for it. Sanctuary Cities were reintroduced after Trump got elected and it was done by politicians whose policies were motivated by social justice. You are not an SJW, as you are trying to be reasonable and SJWs are emotional, not reasonable. Hollywood not saying that their stars should stay, but there is no demand for them to be removed like they are demanding of Trump's star, despite Bill Cosby and Weinstein being sex offenders and Scotland Yard having six investigations against Kevin Spacey, who I previously mentioned was accused of sexual misconduct.
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Postby Telconi » Sun Aug 12, 2018 12:19 pm

Guriguay wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:Banning it is not a good idea regardless. Sure, diverting some budget at the school level, but outright banning it nationally? Nope.

I think what Kedroiqua means is that in Hungarys case, the ban was imminent considering the low enrollment. I mean Hungary could have up to 500000 college age citizens, with not much lower than 128000 being eligible for college application, and gender studies got 13 out of up to 128000. With ratios like that it's useless for the Hungarian populace to spend on gender studies programs.


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Postby The Serbian Empire » Sun Aug 12, 2018 12:20 pm

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As I said, the government's claim is that they don't serve that the purpose of universities: To serve and improve the nation's labour market. I don't agree with the idea that colleges should only serve to make people ready for work, and I don't think Orban's telling the full truth about why he's doing this.

It really smacks of appealing to right wing "hurr gender studies is cancer" types.

Even I question why it is offered given that it only seems to exist to make more Gender Studies professors or a boatload of debt.
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Postby Flarbinia » Sun Aug 12, 2018 12:24 pm

The Serbian Empire wrote:
Ifreann wrote:It really smacks of appealing to right wing "hurr gender studies is cancer" types.

Even I question why it is offered given that it only seems to exist to make more Gender Studies professors or a boatload of debt.

Universities are run by liberals and SJWs.

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Postby The Serbian Empire » Sun Aug 12, 2018 12:25 pm

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Greater vakolicci haven wrote:Before condemning Hungary, I'm not sure to what extent universities are funded by the government in Hungary compared to, say, student fees.
It may be that it is absolutely the government's decision what people can study their if they are almost completely responsible for funding.


Well, it's government funded...with conditions. If you receive subsidised education, you have to pay back the balance by taking a job in Hungary and having a portion of your cheque deducted like a payroll tax.

And this is why I question why a government would fund gender studies degrees since it results in no real prospect changes when compared to a liberal arts or sociology degree at best and only if one gets a master's degree in it does it open any more jobs.
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Postby Constitutional Technocracy of Minecraft » Sun Aug 12, 2018 12:25 pm

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The Serbian Empire wrote:Even I question why it is offered given that it only seems to exist to make more Gender Studies professors or a boatload of debt.

Universities are run by liberals and SJWs.

Any unbiased sources to back that up?

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Postby Wallenburg » Sun Aug 12, 2018 12:25 pm

Flarbinia wrote:
The Serbian Empire wrote:Even I question why it is offered given that it only seems to exist to make more Gender Studies professors or a boatload of debt.

Universities are run by liberals and SJWs.

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Postby The Serbian Empire » Sun Aug 12, 2018 12:25 pm

Flarbinia wrote:
The Serbian Empire wrote:Even I question why it is offered given that it only seems to exist to make more Gender Studies professors or a boatload of debt.

Universities are run by liberals and SJWs.

That isn't the reason, I believe that it's more a way to swipe money from saps whether it's the government or a private citizen.
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Postby Liriena » Sun Aug 12, 2018 12:27 pm

Miami Shores wrote:nothing more than a leftist sensitivity class on genders

Miami Shores wrote:my post has nothing to do against feminists,


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Postby Ifreann » Sun Aug 12, 2018 12:27 pm

Kramanica wrote:
Ifreann wrote:If people study the humanities, they might come to conclusions that you don't like! Quick, ban everything!

You're implying that anything of value was lost with the banning of gender studies. This would be wrong.

I see a value in studying the society we live in, and gender is obviously a part of that. You might prefer to wallow in ignorance. That is, of course, your prerogative, but it is not a good reason to ban a field of study.


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Ifreann wrote:But studying gender is inherently propaganda?

Man, the shit you people tell yourselves.

The way the field works, yes. Inherently, no.

You said that the field is at fault, or you implied that by your contrast with other fields. The field is the study of gender. Do you actually mean that it's the people in the field?


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Liriena wrote:Now this is top-tier bootlicking.

lol, I agree with Kramanica, the gender studies program is a waste of tax payers money $,

The sign for the Hungarian forint is Ft.
it is nothing more than a leftist sensitivity class on genders, good riddance, I am sure their are more of the same that can be gotten rid off.

Do you really think it's appropriate to ban a field of study because you don't like the people who study it?


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Ifreann wrote:It really smacks of appealing to right wing "hurr gender studies is cancer" types.

Even I question why it is offered given that it only seems to exist to make more Gender Studies professors or a boatload of debt.

Maybe people study the society we live in to advance our understanding of the human condition, not to get rich. Are you another one of those people who think that the only value of education is the job you get when you graduate?
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Postby Liriena » Sun Aug 12, 2018 12:28 pm

Flarbinia wrote:
The Serbian Empire wrote:Even I question why it is offered given that it only seems to exist to make more Gender Studies professors or a boatload of debt.

Universities are run by liberals and SJWs.

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Postby Adurnak » Sun Aug 12, 2018 12:29 pm

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Flarbinia wrote:Universities are run by liberals and SJWs.

Any unbiased sources to back that up?

Could you honestly argue to the contrary? That universities aren't massive liberal echo chambers?
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Postby Liriena » Sun Aug 12, 2018 12:29 pm

Cekoviu wrote:Candace Owens, a black woman,

You mean the grifting asshole who went all "muh white genocide" not too long ago?
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Postby Liriena » Sun Aug 12, 2018 12:30 pm

Adurnak wrote:
Constitutional Technocracy of Minecraft wrote:Any unbiased sources to back that up?

Could you honestly argue to the contrary? That universities aren't massive liberal echo chambers?

Of course! After all, there's also a lot of Marxists in universities, and Marxists don't like liberals. ;)
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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Sun Aug 12, 2018 12:31 pm

The new meta on the gender politics battleground is right-wing people walking up to pink haired lesbians and screaming "did you just study my gender?"
Are these "human rights" in the room with us right now?
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Postby Liriena » Sun Aug 12, 2018 12:34 pm

Dumb Ideologies wrote:The new meta on the gender politics battleground is right-wing people walking up to pink haired lesbians and screaming "did you just study my gender?"

So the right still can't meme

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Postby The Serbian Empire » Sun Aug 12, 2018 12:34 pm

Ifreann wrote:
Kramanica wrote:You're implying that anything of value was lost with the banning of gender studies. This would be wrong.

I see a value in studying the society we live in, and gender is obviously a part of that. You might prefer to wallow in ignorance. That is, of course, your prerogative, but it is not a good reason to ban a field of study.


Proctopeo wrote:The way the field works, yes. Inherently, no.

You said that the field is at fault, or you implied that by your contrast with other fields. The field is the study of gender. Do you actually mean that it's the people in the field?


Miami Shores wrote:lol, I agree with Kramanica, the gender studies program is a waste of tax payers money $,

The sign for the Hungarian forint is Ft.
it is nothing more than a leftist sensitivity class on genders, good riddance, I am sure their are more of the same that can be gotten rid off.

Do you really think it's appropriate to ban a field of study because you don't like the people who study it?


The Serbian Empire wrote:Even I question why it is offered given that it only seems to exist to make more Gender Studies professors or a boatload of debt.

Maybe people study the society we live in to advance our understanding of the human condition, not to get rich. Are you another one of those people who think that the only value of education is the job you get when you graduate?

Given the government is subsidizing it, yes. I do believe that it is not beneficial enough to stand on it's own as a form of study.
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Constitutional Technocracy of Minecraft wrote:Any unbiased sources to back that up?

Could you honestly argue to the contrary? That universities aren't massive liberal echo chambers?

The burden of proof is on whoever made the assertion - in this case you

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Postby Ifreann » Sun Aug 12, 2018 12:36 pm

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Constitutional Technocracy of Minecraft wrote:Any unbiased sources to back that up?

Could you honestly argue to the contrary? That universities aren't massive liberal echo chambers?

Based on this thread, right wingers seem to hate knowledge and learning, so maybe they are.
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Postby Aellex » Sun Aug 12, 2018 12:36 pm

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Aellex wrote:Tbf, one doesn't need a mastery on that field to see that a course centered entirely on an highly politicized cultural concept that is peculiar to the anglosphere alone isn't going to be of much use to anyone, especially not outside of it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_studies

Perhaps look at what gender studies is, as opposed to basing your opinions on screeching feminists on the internet?

So... Exactly what I said, then? What exactly were you attempting to refute with that link you didn't even read yourself?
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Postby Ifreann » Sun Aug 12, 2018 12:37 pm

The Serbian Empire wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Maybe people study the society we live in to advance our understanding of the human condition, not to get rich. Are you another one of those people who think that the only value of education is the job you get when you graduate?

Given the government is subsidizing it, yes. I do believe that it is not beneficial enough to stand on it's own as a form of study.

Any particular reason that you don't want the government to support the pursuit of knowledge?
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Postby Kramanica » Sun Aug 12, 2018 12:38 pm

Liriena wrote:
Kramanica wrote:Only if you have a PhD in both women's studies and gender studies are you allowed to comment in this thread. /s

Yes, that's a very dumb strawman.

My point in asking those questions is that I see a lot of people calling gender studies bad and propaganda and worthless... but very few of you have actually given any concrete specifics. Which makes me suspect that you are coming from a position of ignorance.

Sure. Nothing that gender studies actually teaches is scientifically verifiable. It's a pseudoscience. It should not be taught.

It's also worthless in the job market.
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Constitutional Technocracy of Minecraft wrote:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_studies

Perhaps look at what gender studies is, as opposed to basing your opinions on screeching feminists on the internet?

So... Exactly what I said, then? What exactly were you attempting to refute with that link you didn't even read yourself?

Maybe, just maybe, I read the link before I posted it?

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Postby Kramanica » Sun Aug 12, 2018 12:38 pm

Ifreann wrote:
Kramanica wrote:You're implying that anything of value was lost with the banning of gender studies. This would be wrong.

I see a value in studying the society we live in, and gender is obviously a part of that. You might prefer to wallow in ignorance. That is, of course, your prerogative, but it is not a good reason to ban a field of study.


Proctopeo wrote:The way the field works, yes. Inherently, no.

You said that the field is at fault, or you implied that by your contrast with other fields. The field is the study of gender. Do you actually mean that it's the people in the field?


Miami Shores wrote:lol, I agree with Kramanica, the gender studies program is a waste of tax payers money $,

The sign for the Hungarian forint is Ft.
it is nothing more than a leftist sensitivity class on genders, good riddance, I am sure their are more of the same that can be gotten rid off.

Do you really think it's appropriate to ban a field of study because you don't like the people who study it?


The Serbian Empire wrote:Even I question why it is offered given that it only seems to exist to make more Gender Studies professors or a boatload of debt.

Maybe people study the society we live in to advance our understanding of the human condition, not to get rich. Are you another one of those people who think that the only value of education is the job you get when you graduate?

Ah yes, the ignorance of not being able to teach a pseudoscience.
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Postby Liriena » Sun Aug 12, 2018 12:38 pm

Ifreann wrote:
Adurnak wrote:Could you honestly argue to the contrary? That universities aren't massive liberal echo chambers?

Based on this thread, right wingers seem to hate knowledge and learning, so maybe they are.

I think it was someone on the Chapo Trap House subreddit who said "maybe conservatives are a minority in universities because they just plain suck at studying stuff that requires critical thinking?"
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