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Were the GIs in the right?

Yes, the SS was evil and deserved every bit of what they got.
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Yes, though putting the SS to trial would have been preferential.
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No, though it is understandable why they would take part in killing the guards, they should have left the sentencing to the courts
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No, the GIs are no better than the Nazis they killed and deserved to be put on trial for war crimes.
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Postby Sovaal » Fri Aug 10, 2018 7:29 pm

Khataiy wrote:
Sovaal wrote:And the Nazis should have ever committed the holocaust.

The holocaust wasn't well known when America entered the war, so on account of pure ignorance, it would have been a good case of let sleeping dogs lie.

Im not altalking aboit American involvement in the war. Don’t know where you’re getting that from. Anyway, it was the Axis’ fault that America got involved.
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Postby Khataiy » Fri Aug 10, 2018 7:29 pm

Uxupox wrote:
Khataiy wrote:US policy at the time and stances regarding Germany and Japan was rather provocative and standoffish, it was bound to happen, so in reality the US could have prevented it by acting wiser on an international scale, as well as engaging in dialogue with the axis powers post-Pearl harbor instead of going full gun-ho into war sparing the lives of hundreds of thousands.


Sorry buddy but the Imperial Japanese nor the German Reich dictated American foreign policy. They decided to attack the United States out of their own measure not our damn fault they got what they deserved.

American policy was to arm the British and French militaries and to completely reject dialogue with Japan and this was prior to pearl harbor, America had no business arming the British or French it was a huge waste of money and allies protecting Poland was also ridiculous and quite pointless.

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Postby Uxupox » Fri Aug 10, 2018 7:29 pm

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Oil exporting People wrote:
I'll try to find it if I can, it was a super fascinating read; roughly similar events occurred in Japan, in that GIs began siding with the locals pretty well. With regards to Germany in particular, there is at least one verified instance of a Mexican stand off between Soviet and American units when the Americans attempted to intervene against rapes being carried out by the Soviets against German women. The American GI stance was also partially responsible for the ending of no fraternization rules and the change of official policy on the reconstruction of Germany on the whole.

Ending no fraternisation was a mistake. It should still be in place.


are you envious of American men getting lucky with the German natives :)?
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Postby Bakery Hill » Fri Aug 10, 2018 7:29 pm

Uxupox wrote:
Khataiy wrote:US policy at the time and stances regarding Germany and Japan was rather provocative and standoffish, it was bound to happen, so in reality the US could have prevented it by acting wiser on an international scale, as well as engaging in dialogue with the axis powers post-Pearl harbor instead of going full gun-ho into war sparing the lives of hundreds of thousands.


Sorry buddy but the Imperial Japanese nor the German Reich dictated American foreign policy. They decided to attack the United States out of their own measure not our damn fault they got what they deserved.

The anime generation doesn't care about these things.
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Postby Sovaal » Fri Aug 10, 2018 7:30 pm

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Yes. As I said, I find the story plausible.

Just, you know, c'mon guys, it's the Daily Mail. They're not exactly scholars over there.

So I guess that Wikipedia is a haven of neo-Nazis now?
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Postby Bakery Hill » Fri Aug 10, 2018 7:30 pm

Uxupox wrote:
Bakery Hill wrote:Ending no fraternisation was a mistake. It should still be in place.


are you envious of American men getting lucky with the German natives :)?

I simply know the German should never be trusted.
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Postby Uxupox » Fri Aug 10, 2018 7:30 pm

Khataiy wrote:
Uxupox wrote:
Sorry buddy but the Imperial Japanese nor the German Reich dictated American foreign policy. They decided to attack the United States out of their own measure not our damn fault they got what they deserved.

American policy was to arm the British and French militaries and to completely reject dialogue with Japan and this was prior to pearl harbor, America had no business arming the British or French it was a huge waste of money and allies protecting Poland was also ridiculous and quite pointless.


What dialogue? It was more like give us your shit or we bombed. They decided to chose the latter.
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Postby Khataiy » Fri Aug 10, 2018 7:30 pm

Sovaal wrote:
Khataiy wrote:The holocaust wasn't well known when America entered the war, so on account of pure ignorance, it would have been a good case of let sleeping dogs lie.

Im not altalking aboit American involvement in the war. Don’t know where you’re getting that from. Anyway, it was the Axis’ fault that America got involved.

Like I said if there was better dialogue this whole thing could have been avoided, but instead Roosevelt was busy thinking with what's between his legs than what would have been the more logical outcome based on simple wisdom.

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Postby Rhodevus » Fri Aug 10, 2018 7:30 pm

Khataiy wrote:
Uxupox wrote:
Sorry buddy but the Imperial Japanese nor the German Reich dictated American foreign policy. They decided to attack the United States out of their own measure not our damn fault they got what they deserved.

American policy was to arm the British and French militaries and to completely reject dialogue with Japan and this was prior to pearl harbor, America had no business arming the British or French it was a huge waste of money and allies protecting Poland was also ridiculous and quite pointless.


Well, the reason for lack of dialogue with Japan was because of their ongoing invasion of China.
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Postby Kanadorika » Fri Aug 10, 2018 7:30 pm

Khataiy wrote:
Sovaal wrote:And the Nazis should have ever committed the holocaust.

The holocaust wasn't well known when America entered the war, so on account of pure ignorance, it would have been a good case of let sleeping dogs lie.

The Third Reich declared war on the American people, and was actively engaged in a two front war.

That is not a sleeping dog, that is a ferocious Rottweiler who is charging at your neck and will do anything to bring you down.

Even isolationists changed their tune after Pearl Harbor. Only a single Congresswoman voted against the war with Japan, and she had to be escorted away from the Capitol because of the threats to violence and angry mobs that chased her down.
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Postby Strength and Order » Fri Aug 10, 2018 7:30 pm

Khataiy wrote:
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Japan attacked the USA and then declared war immediately after, followed by Germany. What exactly was the US supposed to do, just let itself be invaded?

US policy at the time and stances regarding Germany and Japan was rather provocative and standoffish, it was bound to happen, so in reality the US could have prevented it by acting wiser on an international scale, as well as engaging in dialogue with the axis powers post-Pearl harbor instead of going full gun-ho into war sparing the lives of hundreds of thousands.


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Postby Uxupox » Fri Aug 10, 2018 7:31 pm

Bakery Hill wrote:
Uxupox wrote:
Sorry buddy but the Imperial Japanese nor the German Reich dictated American foreign policy. They decided to attack the United States out of their own measure not our damn fault they got what they deserved.

The anime generation doesn't care about these things.


only thing I truly despise after the bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki was the inevitable creation of anime. it is a mistake that must be rectified immediately.
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Postby Sovaal » Fri Aug 10, 2018 7:31 pm

Khataiy wrote:
Uxupox wrote:
Sorry buddy but the Imperial Japanese nor the German Reich dictated American foreign policy. They decided to attack the United States out of their own measure not our damn fault they got what they deserved.

American policy was to arm the British and French militaries and to completely reject dialogue with Japan and this was prior to pearl harbor, America had no business arming the British or French it was a huge waste of money and allies protecting Poland was also ridiculous and quite pointless.

And Germany and Japan had no business expanding into their neighbors. They ultimately chse to declare war on the US.
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Postby Khataiy » Fri Aug 10, 2018 7:31 pm

Uxupox wrote:
Khataiy wrote:American policy was to arm the British and French militaries and to completely reject dialogue with Japan and this was prior to pearl harbor, America had no business arming the British or French it was a huge waste of money and allies protecting Poland was also ridiculous and quite pointless.


What dialogue? It was more like give us your shit or we bombed. They decided to chose the latter.

No it wasn't, Hitler didn't even anticipate a war with the US or even Britain for that matter, he even wanted to approach the UK for an alliance to invade the Soviet Union.

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Postby Rhodevus » Fri Aug 10, 2018 7:32 pm

Uxupox wrote:
Bakery Hill wrote:The anime generation doesn't care about these things.


only thing I truly despise after the bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki was the inevitable creation of anime. it is a mistake that must be rectified immediately.


but it did create godzilla, so I guess there was at least one plus
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Postby Bakery Hill » Fri Aug 10, 2018 7:32 pm

Uxupox wrote:
Bakery Hill wrote:The anime generation doesn't care about these things.


only thing I truly despise after the bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki was the inevitable creation of anime. it is a mistake that must be rectified immediately.

I think the cat may be out of the bag. I am unsure how we fix this now.
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Postby Uxupox » Fri Aug 10, 2018 7:33 pm

Khataiy wrote:
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What dialogue? It was more like give us your shit or we bombed. They decided to chose the latter.

No it wasn't, Hitler didn't even anticipate a war with the US or even Britain for that matter, he even wanted to approach the UK for an alliance to invade the Soviet Union.


Then Hitler's brain must have melted since he for no apparent reasoning decided to declare war on the United States.
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Postby Sovaal » Fri Aug 10, 2018 7:33 pm

Khataiy wrote:
Sovaal wrote:Im not altalking aboit American involvement in the war. Don’t know where you’re getting that from. Anyway, it was the Axis’ fault that America got involved.

Like I said if there was better dialogue this whole thing could have been avoided, but instead Roosevelt was busy thinking with what's between his legs than what would have been the more logical outcome based on simple wisdom.

The fucking Japanese carrier fleet was on its way to Pearl Harbor during the fucking negotiations. I’m no fan of FDR but he didn’t drag us into the fucking war. This is jut pathetic.
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Postby Khataiy » Fri Aug 10, 2018 7:33 pm

Rhodevus wrote:
Khataiy wrote:American policy was to arm the British and French militaries and to completely reject dialogue with Japan and this was prior to pearl harbor, America had no business arming the British or French it was a huge waste of money and allies protecting Poland was also ridiculous and quite pointless.


Well, the reason for lack of dialogue with Japan was because of their ongoing invasion of China.

I disagree with the Japanese invasion of China and would have condemned it if I was alive at the time, but with this being said, it would have been best to look the other way.

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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Fri Aug 10, 2018 7:33 pm

Uxupox wrote:
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:It is technically illegal and on principal it is a war crime.


That said, what the GI's did was... well, let's just say I'm not going to shed any tears over the death of Nazi fucksticks who killed innocent people.

And....where I in General Patton's position, yeah I'd burn those papers too.


I didn't see no war crime being committed there.


It is on principle.

Other then that... they where SS assholes who killed people in the camps.

So...no tears wept, sweep under rug.

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Postby Providenska » Fri Aug 10, 2018 7:34 pm

Uxupox wrote:
Bakery Hill wrote:The anime generation doesn't care about these things.


only thing I truly despise after the bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki was the inevitable creation of anime. it is a mistake that must be rectified immediately.

Do not speak to me of the anime-serpents of the North. I know the pain of the otaku-fire...
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Postby Khataiy » Fri Aug 10, 2018 7:34 pm

Uxupox wrote:
Khataiy wrote:No it wasn't, Hitler didn't even anticipate a war with the US or even Britain for that matter, he even wanted to approach the UK for an alliance to invade the Soviet Union.


Then Hitler's brain must have melted since he for no apparent reasoning decided to declare war on the United States.

He declared war after Japan did in aide of an ally, it was literally no different than how France and England defended Poland.

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Postby Rhodevus » Fri Aug 10, 2018 7:34 pm

Khataiy wrote:
Rhodevus wrote:
Well, the reason for lack of dialogue with Japan was because of their ongoing invasion of China.

I disagree with the Japanese invasion of China and would have condemned it if I was alive at the time, but with this being said, it would have been best to look the other way.


So you favour appeasement?
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Postby Kanadorika » Fri Aug 10, 2018 7:34 pm

Khataiy wrote:
Uxupox wrote:
What dialogue? It was more like give us your shit or we bombed. They decided to chose the latter.

No it wasn't, Hitler didn't even anticipate a war with the US or even Britain for that matter, he even wanted to approach the UK for an alliance to invade the Soviet Union.

Hitler thought he could convince some of the most Germanophobic people in the world to ally with him?

That's his own disillusionment that is at fault, not this whole Eternal Anglo nonsense you are spouting.
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Postby Sovaal » Fri Aug 10, 2018 7:34 pm

Uxupox wrote:
Khataiy wrote:No it wasn't, Hitler didn't even anticipate a war with the US or even Britain for that matter, he even wanted to approach the UK for an alliance to invade the Soviet Union.


Then Hitler's brain must have melted since he for no apparent reasoning decided to declare war on the United States.

He must have remembered that he thought that the US had too many Jews and black people for Germany to ever be friends with us.
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