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Postby Ifreann » Fri Aug 10, 2018 9:56 am

NS Miami Shores wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Cybernetically interconnect the minds of all government officials and create a government hive mind.

lol, the Borg Collective.

But with fake tans.
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Postby Kombinita Socialisma Demokratio » Fri Aug 10, 2018 10:00 am

I would eliminate the executive branch and change the legislative branch to be a direct democracy. A referendum would be held to create a new constitution, but any part of it could be changed later if enough agreed (80 % for some things). Referendums would be done for everything federal and local, and a referendum would be held to decide how often, but a petition could make one start any time. Judges would be selected by both lottery and voting, and may or may not be limited to a set of qualifications chosen by the people.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Fri Aug 10, 2018 10:06 am

Kombinita Socialisma Demokratio wrote:I would eliminate the executive branch and change the legislative branch to be a direct democracy. A referendum would be held to create a new constitution, but any part of it could be changed later if enough agreed (80 % for some things). Referendums would be done for everything federal and local, and a referendum would be held to decide how often, but a petition could make one start any time. Judges would be selected by both lottery and voting, and may or may not be limited to a set of qualifications chosen by the people.


Good God in heaven no. The other guys feudalism idea is better than this.
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Postby The New California Republic » Fri Aug 10, 2018 10:39 am

NS Miami Shores wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Cybernetically interconnect the minds of all government officials and create a government hive mind.

lol, the Borg Collective.

We are Congress. You will be assimilated. Voting against us is futile.
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Postby Farnhamia » Fri Aug 10, 2018 10:40 am

The New California Republic wrote:
NS Miami Shores wrote:lol, the Borg Collective.

We are Congress. You will be assimilated appropriated. Voting against us is futile.

Fixed.
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Postby The New California Republic » Fri Aug 10, 2018 10:42 am

Farnhamia wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:We are Congress. You will be assimilated appropriated. Voting against us is futile.

Fixed.

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Postby Dooom35796821595 » Fri Aug 10, 2018 12:25 pm

The V O I D wrote:
Dooom35796821595 wrote:You make the head of state ceremonial, replace their title with king/queen, have them voted in for life. Or just have Liz II do it.

Then have the leader of the Congress become President, and the leader of the senate become vice-president.

There, America is a monarchy.


I think the OP's question was “how would you restructure the US government - keeping or dissolving the current branches?”

Or...something along those lines. I tried to be very thorough in my answer.

Unless this is your answer? In which case, why a monarchy?


I thought he asked how to restructure it into a monarchy.

Anyway, monarchy is best government. And Americans love the royals.
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Postby Tribes Republic » Fri Aug 10, 2018 3:07 pm

The New California Republic wrote:How is that a monarchy? OP, you made no mention of a monarch anywhere in your new proposed government structure...? :eyebrow:


It doesn't have to be a monarchy I came up with for searching for how to restructure the US government into a monarchy but I'm to lazy to change it in the beginning of the OP so I just added at the end of the post that it doesn't have to be a monarchy
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Postby The New California Republic » Fri Aug 10, 2018 3:10 pm

Tribes Republic wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:How is that a monarchy? OP, you made no mention of a monarch anywhere in your new proposed government structure...? :eyebrow:


It doesn't have to be a monarchy I came up with for searching for how to restructure the US government into a monarchy but I'm to lazy to change it in the beginning of the OP so I just added at the end of the post that it doesn't have to be a monarchy

But it literally takes less than a minute to edit...
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Postby Tribes Republic » Fri Aug 10, 2018 3:22 pm

New Excalibus wrote:*Sigh*
What the US needs to do is become more liberal, and eliminate the Electoral College.
That would fix quite a bit of problems.


The Electoral College isn't the problem it's the main stream media and the fact that they treat political candidates who aren't from the two main parties like jokes while some of them are the media should just give them screen time, interviews, and everything else they give candidates of the two main parties and let the people decide who to vote for as the electoral college gets rid of the Tyranny of the Majority problem caused by a electing people directly as there will be people who will feel as if their vote doesn't matter as much because of where they live ie the entire heartland of the US and other remote areas where people live
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Postby Tribes Republic » Fri Aug 10, 2018 3:22 pm

The New California Republic wrote:
Tribes Republic wrote:
It doesn't have to be a monarchy I came up with for searching for how to restructure the US government into a monarchy but I'm to lazy to change it in the beginning of the OP so I just added at the end of the post that it doesn't have to be a monarchy

But it literally takes less than a minute to edit...


A minute is too long ain't nobody got time for that
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Postby Sovaal » Fri Aug 10, 2018 5:27 pm

1: Not a monarchy
2: Screw Monarchies
3: Deport all American monarchists
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Postby Thermodolia » Fri Aug 10, 2018 6:12 pm

US-SSR wrote:Abolish the Electoral College. Institute direct election of the President. After the next non-Republican is elected President, increase the size of the Supreme Court to 11 (13 if needed) and appoint two (or four) new Justices making the new balance 6-5 (or 7-6) against Republicans. Overturn Citizens United, Hobby Lobby, Janus, Shelby County and if necessary reinstate Roe v. Wade. Public financing of political campaigns at all levels, federal, state and local. Redistricting only by nonpartisan commission. Electoral reparations for all descendents of former slaves, that is, automatic voter registration at age 18 and their votes count for 5/3 of a vote until such time as elected officials at all levels match the racial makeup of society (hat tip to Ta-Nehisi Coates). All income taxed at the same rates as wages. No cap on Social Security taxation. Single-payer health care, natch. Universal income and free college for all, why not. Rebuild the National Labor Relations Board and give it teeth through legislation, unionization required for all workplaces with more than 6 employees. Need I go on?

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Postby Thermodolia » Fri Aug 10, 2018 6:17 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Kombinita Socialisma Demokratio wrote:I would eliminate the executive branch and change the legislative branch to be a direct democracy. A referendum would be held to create a new constitution, but any part of it could be changed later if enough agreed (80 % for some things). Referendums would be done for everything federal and local, and a referendum would be held to decide how often, but a petition could make one start any time. Judges would be selected by both lottery and voting, and may or may not be limited to a set of qualifications chosen by the people.


Good God in heaven no. The other guys feudalism idea is better than this.

No no. Let him do it. The inevitable breakdown of society is a great reason for us to come to power
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Postby Uxupox » Fri Aug 10, 2018 6:20 pm

US-SSR wrote:Abolish the Electoral College. Institute direct election of the President. After the next non-Republican is elected President, increase the size of the Supreme Court to 11 (13 if needed) and appoint two (or four) new Justices making the new balance 6-5 (or 7-6) against Republicans. Overturn Citizens United, Hobby Lobby, Janus, Shelby County and if necessary reinstate Roe v. Wade. Public financing of political campaigns at all levels, federal, state and local. Redistricting only by nonpartisan commission. Electoral reparations for all descendents of former slaves, that is, automatic voter registration at age 18 and their votes count for 5/3 of a vote until such time as elected officials at all levels match the racial makeup of society (hat tip to Ta-Nehisi Coates). All income taxed at the same rates as wages. No cap on Social Security taxation. Single-payer health care, natch. Universal income and free college for all, why not. Rebuild the National Labor Relations Board and give it teeth through legislation, unionization required for all workplaces with more than 6 employees. Need I go on?


Jesus Christ. I have not seen a plan more heinous since the holocaust.
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Postby A Cornstar » Fri Aug 10, 2018 6:52 pm

Kombinita Socialisma Demokratio wrote:I would eliminate the executive branch and change the legislative branch to be a direct democracy. A referendum would be held to create a new constitution, but any part of it could be changed later if enough agreed (80 % for some things). Referendums would be done for everything federal and local, and a referendum would be held to decide how often, but a petition could make one start any time. Judges would be selected by both lottery and voting, and may or may not be limited to a set of qualifications chosen by the people.


If your nation spends on international aid, you're opinion doesn't count.
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Postby Sovaal » Fri Aug 10, 2018 6:58 pm

Dooom35796821595 wrote:
The V O I D wrote:
I think the OP's question was “how would you restructure the US government - keeping or dissolving the current branches?”

Or...something along those lines. I tried to be very thorough in my answer.

Unless this is your answer? In which case, why a monarchy?


I thought he asked how to restructure it into a monarchy.

Anyway, monarchy is best government. And Americans love the royals.

Yah, we love them now because they don’t rule us.
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Postby Kombinita Socialisma Demokratio » Fri Aug 10, 2018 6:59 pm

US-SSR wrote:Abolish the Electoral College. Institute direct election of the President. After the next non-Republican is elected President, increase the size of the Supreme Court to 11 (13 if needed) and appoint two (or four) new Justices making the new balance 6-5 (or 7-6) against Republicans. Overturn Citizens United, Hobby Lobby, Janus, Shelby County and if necessary reinstate Roe v. Wade. Public financing of political campaigns at all levels, federal, state and local. Redistricting only by nonpartisan commission. Electoral reparations for all descendents of former slaves, that is, automatic voter registration at age 18 and their votes count for 5/3 of a vote until such time as elected officials at all levels match the racial makeup of society (hat tip to Ta-Nehisi Coates). All income taxed at the same rates as wages. No cap on Social Security taxation. Single-payer health care, natch. Universal income and free college for all, why not. Rebuild the National Labor Relations Board and give it teeth through legislation, unionization required for all workplaces with more than 6 employees. Need I go on?

Please explain "Overturn Citizens United, Hobby Lobby, Janus, Shelby County and if necessary reinstate Roe v. Wade." I was taught in school that Hobby Lobby should be boycotted due to it funding abortions (and also told that the UN was created solely to spread communism, by the USSR, and that planes spread chemicals to lower fertility... ).I still am unsure what all to question..




A cornstar wrote:
Kombinita Socialisma Demokratio wrote:I would eliminate the executive branch and change the legislative branch to be a direct democracy. A referendum would be held to create a new constitution, but any part of it could be changed later if enough agreed (80 % for some things). Referendums would be done for everything federal and local, and a referendum would be held to decide how often, but a petition could make one start any time. Judges would be selected by both lottery and voting, and may or may not be limited to a set of qualifications chosen by the people.


If your nation spends on international aid, you're opinion doesn't count.

What? Why?




Thermodolia wrote:
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Good God in heaven no. The other guys feudalism idea is better than this.

No no. Let him do it. The inevitable breakdown of society is a great reason for us to come to power


Is him referring to me or the feudalist? If referring to me, I am female.
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Postby A Cornstar » Fri Aug 10, 2018 7:26 pm

Kombinita Socialisma Demokratio wrote:
A cornstar wrote:
If your nation spends on international aid, you're opinion doesn't count.

What? Why?


>taxing your citizens to pay other countries not to improve
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Postby US-SSR » Fri Aug 10, 2018 7:29 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
US-SSR wrote:Abolish the Electoral College. Institute direct election of the President. After the next non-Republican is elected President, increase the size of the Supreme Court to 11 (13 if needed) and appoint two (or four) new Justices making the new balance 6-5 (or 7-6) against Republicans. Overturn Citizens United, Hobby Lobby, Janus, Shelby County and if necessary reinstate Roe v. Wade. Public financing of political campaigns at all levels, federal, state and local. Redistricting only by nonpartisan commission. Electoral reparations for all descendents of former slaves, that is, automatic voter registration at age 18 and their votes count for 5/3 of a vote until such time as elected officials at all levels match the racial makeup of society (hat tip to Ta-Nehisi Coates). All income taxed at the same rates as wages. No cap on Social Security taxation. Single-payer health care, natch. Universal income and free college for all, why not. Rebuild the National Labor Relations Board and give it teeth through legislation, unionization required for all workplaces with more than 6 employees. Need I go on?

Fucking hell. You just want a military coup don’t ya?!


By whatever means necessary.
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Uxupox wrote:
US-SSR wrote:Abolish the Electoral College. Institute direct election of the President. After the next non-Republican is elected President, increase the size of the Supreme Court to 11 (13 if needed) and appoint two (or four) new Justices making the new balance 6-5 (or 7-6) against Republicans. Overturn Citizens United, Hobby Lobby, Janus, Shelby County and if necessary reinstate Roe v. Wade. Public financing of political campaigns at all levels, federal, state and local. Redistricting only by nonpartisan commission. Electoral reparations for all descendents of former slaves, that is, automatic voter registration at age 18 and their votes count for 5/3 of a vote until such time as elected officials at all levels match the racial makeup of society (hat tip to Ta-Nehisi Coates). All income taxed at the same rates as wages. No cap on Social Security taxation. Single-payer health care, natch. Universal income and free college for all, why not. Rebuild the National Labor Relations Board and give it teeth through legislation, unionization required for all workplaces with more than 6 employees. Need I go on?


Jesus Christ. I have not seen a plan more heinous since the holocaust.


Really? I must have left out the part where people are stuffed in ovens because of their religion?
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US-SSR wrote:
Uxupox wrote:
Jesus Christ. I have not seen a plan more heinous since the holocaust.


Really? I must have left out the part where people are stuffed in ovens because of their religion?


just fry me in the oven donny.

Reparations for slavery that happened 150 years ago? Racial makeup elections absolutely what? Universal income and free college? Do we have a budget of 31 trillion USD available at all times? This is a disaster. Probably will see nukes fly.
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Postby Kombinita Socialisma Demokratio » Fri Aug 10, 2018 7:49 pm

A cornstar wrote:
Kombinita Socialisma Demokratio wrote:

What? Why?


>taxing your citizens to pay other countries not to improve

We use the money to send doctors, medicine, food, machines, construction workers, and water treatment technicians mainly. It is not their fault they were born elsewhere.
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Postby US-SSR » Fri Aug 10, 2018 7:54 pm

Uxupox wrote:
US-SSR wrote:
Really? I must have left out the part where people are stuffed in ovens because of their religion?


just fry me in the oven donny.

Reparations for slavery that happened 150 years ago? Racial makeup elections absolutely what? Universal income and free college? Do we have a budget of 31 trillion USD available at all times? This is a disaster. Probably will see nukes fly.


Electoral reparations because it would be impossible to provide economic reparations on the necessary scale. The current prosperity and power of the US is a direct result of setting enslaved Africans to work on land taken from Native Americans, producing 60 percent of US earnings from foreign trade throughout the first half of the 19th Century and benefitting every industry and every region of the nation. The monetary value of enslaved Africans in 1860 dwarfed that of any other US industry, including railroads and manufacturing. You, I, every American is as prosperous as we are today because of slavery.
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Postby Uxupox » Fri Aug 10, 2018 7:58 pm

US-SSR wrote:
Uxupox wrote:
just fry me in the oven donny.

Reparations for slavery that happened 150 years ago? Racial makeup elections absolutely what? Universal income and free college? Do we have a budget of 31 trillion USD available at all times? This is a disaster. Probably will see nukes fly.


Electoral reparations because it would be impossible to provide economic reparations on the necessary scale. The current prosperity and power of the US is a direct result of setting enslaved Africans to work on land taken from Native Americans, producing 60 percent of US earnings from foreign trade throughout the first half of the 19th Century and benefitting every industry and every region of the nation. The monetary value of enslaved Africans in 1860 dwarfed that of any other US industry, including railroads and manufacturing. You, I, every American is as prosperous as we are today because of slavery.


that absolutely makes no sense at all. still if you want to give me free millions of dollars by all means go ahead.
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