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Postby The New California Republic » Fri Aug 10, 2018 2:40 am

How is that a monarchy? OP, you made no mention of a monarch anywhere in your new proposed government structure...? :eyebrow:
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Postby Uxupox » Fri Aug 10, 2018 3:32 am

Monarchists OUT!
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Postby Ifreann » Fri Aug 10, 2018 6:49 am

Cybernetically interconnect the minds of all government officials and create a government hive mind.
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Postby The New California Republic » Fri Aug 10, 2018 6:54 am

Ifreann wrote:Cybernetically interconnect the minds of all government officials and create a government hive mind.

Parliamentary debates would be a lot more boring than they already are, as they would appear to be sat there in silence...
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Postby Hammer Britannia » Fri Aug 10, 2018 6:57 am

I'd restructure it so that you have to have an IQ of over 140 to run for any office :ugeek:.

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Postby The New California Republic » Fri Aug 10, 2018 7:02 am

Hammer Britannia wrote:I'd restructure it so that you have to have an IQ of over 140 to run for any office :ugeek:.

/sarcasm

OK, what other candidates am I running against?
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Postby Hammer Britannia » Fri Aug 10, 2018 7:05 am

The New California Republic wrote:
Hammer Britannia wrote:I'd restructure it so that you have to have an IQ of over 140 to run for any office :ugeek:.

/sarcasm

OK, what other candidates am I running against?

That redneck who cheated, uh... Deep Blue, Erm...
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Postby The New California Republic » Fri Aug 10, 2018 7:18 am

Hammer Britannia wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:OK, what other candidates am I running against?

That redneck who cheated, uh... Deep Blue, Erm...

I'd love to be in a candidate debate against Deep Blue. The redneck...not so much...
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Postby Hammer Britannia » Fri Aug 10, 2018 7:27 am

The New California Republic wrote:
Hammer Britannia wrote:That redneck who cheated, uh... Deep Blue, Erm...

I'd love to be in a candidate debate against Deep Blue. The redneck...not so much...

Actually, that brings up a good question

What would an AI's ideology be?

I guess it depends on how they were programmed. An AI programmed to want to help everybody might be different from an AI programmed to maximize human freedoms.
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Postby Ifreann » Fri Aug 10, 2018 7:40 am

The New California Republic wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Cybernetically interconnect the minds of all government officials and create a government hive mind.

Parliamentary debates would be a lot more boring than they already are, as they would appear to be sat there in silence...

That would be a huge improvement over PMQs.
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Postby The V O I D » Fri Aug 10, 2018 7:45 am

I'd abolish the corporatocracy that we currently have in place by making corporations no longer considered persons/individuals, and banned from lobbying. Then toss out anyone and everyone in a corporation's pocket, even remotely for receiving even more than a few bucks from corporate interests to push said interests in the legislature or executive; remove the Justices as well as we need a clean slate.

Redo the Constitution with a few new amendments to build in social equality: the right to marry after eighteen, right to bodily sovereignty, no corporate influence, etc. just to clear it up that those things are, in fact, part of the Constitution. Then create an amendment that dictates that the amendment that was just made and all prior amendments are inalienable and irremovable. Lets new amendments appear, but only if they further rights rather than try to remove them.

Add a few socialist laws here and there. Maybe even force corporations to allow at least half of their Board of Directors to be elected by their employees and workers - one per division or something. So one Board member to represent the factory workers, one to represent R&D workers, etc.

Now, onto the matter of what the new and actual government looks like: fuck that dumb two-party shit. The new United States government's legislature shall remain Congress, but restructured to accommodate a multiparty system with proportional representation based on the number of votes rather than political party influence. Popular votes only.

Put a maximum cap on the number of seats any given party can hold in each house - for the House of Representatives, I'd say 15 is a reasonable number (has to be odd so in-fighting among the party doesn't cause a lockup of a vote). For the Senate, it's gonna be 5 with a minimum of 1. Sure, the Senate's size would have to increase to accommodate, but the House would likely grow/shrink as a result as well. I'd think it all checks out, but just in case, monitor the system and make it adaptable in size as needed.


Next, the executive:

“The Chamber of the Executive Councilpersons of the United States of America.” The executive shall be a council of people, each assigned a responsibility (like the Secretary of State, Education, etc.). Each councilperson receives one charge and only one, with one councilperson being the Defense Councillor and acting as commander-in-chief (without the power to order the military to operate on American soil; need full approval from both Congress and the rest of the Council to do that; the National Guard will have a semi-independent command structure and strictly monitored).

One councilperson will act as the State Councillor, and will sign laws into action or deny them as proposed by Congress. But if an amendment or some other such major thing comes through, the entire Council needs to agree to sign it into being in a supermajority fashion (≤3 votes against).

One councilperson will also be the Foreign Affairs Councillor, and run the Foreign Affairs Office. They will be in charge of foreign relations, assigning ambassadors, working out trade deals (must also be approved by the State Councillor), and forging treaties or ceasefires (must also be approved by the Defense Councillor).

And finally, we get ourselves right into the judiciary: SCOTUS. Reduce it to five Justices. Each Justice shall be put into position by a vote by the Executive Council, and approved by the Senate. No lifetime-long terms or until-retirement terms: each Justice remains a Supreme Court Justice until such time as the Councilperson who appointed them to their position or suggested them for the position leaves the Executive Council and is replaced, and then that Justice too will be replaced and suggested by the new Councilperson(s).

So as long as an Executive Councilperson is in office, so too is the Justice they suggested/appointed for the position with the approval of the rest of the Council as well as the Senate.

Now; term limits. A Representative in the House of Representatives can serve a maximum of three terms of two years for their political party as voted in by popular vote on a national scale. A Senator of the Senate can serve a maximum of five terms of one year based on the popular vote for them or their party from their respective states. An Executive Councilperson can only serve on the Executive Council for a maximum of four two-year terms. A Justice, presumably, can only remain for the same amount of time.

Regarding law enforcement, the National Guard, etc.: all federal investigative or intelligence assets will fall under the State Councillor or Defense Councillor's purview, dependent upon their duties.

Of course, they will have a semi-independent structure and new Directors for such organizations can either be appointed by an Executive Council vote (to remove/replace) or by a Director retiring and suggesting someone for the role and if they are approved of by the Councillor responsible for that organization, the new Director is pretty much selected by the previous one - hopefully meaning the new Director will be aware of their responsibilities and duties.

I... think that's basically it? If anyone has any questions, feel free to ask.

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Postby Datlofff » Fri Aug 10, 2018 7:50 am

Strength and Order wrote:
Tribes Republic wrote:So how would you Restructure the US Government either with or without the current Branches


There's no fixing the corrupt, bureaucratic cancer that is the US government. I would not 'restructure' it at all, especially not into a monarchy. I'd abolish it and establish a single-party fascist state instead.

Because going from a corrupt 2 party state means less corrupt when you go to a 1 party dictatorship
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Postby The New California Republic » Fri Aug 10, 2018 9:01 am

Ifreann wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:Parliamentary debates would be a lot more boring than they already are, as they would appear to be sat there in silence...

That would be a huge improvement over PMQs.

:lol2:
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Postby Chan Island » Fri Aug 10, 2018 9:31 am

Frankly just throw whatever constitutional system Germany has and let them have at it.
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What? Germany's pretty well run overall, even if you don't like Mrs Merkel or their immigration policies.
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Postby Uxupox » Fri Aug 10, 2018 9:33 am

Chan Island wrote:Frankly just throw whatever constitutional system Germany has and let them have at it.
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What? Germany's pretty well run overall, even if you don't like Mrs Merkel or their immigration policies.


German constitution is incompatible with the founding father's principle of liberty under their vision of John Locke.
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Postby Chan Island » Fri Aug 10, 2018 9:38 am

Uxupox wrote:
Chan Island wrote:Frankly just throw whatever constitutional system Germany has and let them have at it.
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What? Germany's pretty well run overall, even if you don't like Mrs Merkel or their immigration policies.


German constitution is incompatible with the founding father's principle of liberty under their vision of John Locke.


.... Oh well, I guess? Even then though, I swear most of those ranking sites rank Germany as freer than the US nowadays anyway.
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Conserative Morality wrote:"It's not time yet" is a tactic used by reactionaries in every era. "It's not time for democracy, it's not time for capitalism, it's not time for emancipation." Of course it's not time. It's never time, not on its own. You make it time. If you're under fire in the no-man's land of WW1, you start digging a foxhole even if the ideal time would be when you *aren't* being bombarded, because once you wait for it to be 'time', other situations will need your attention, assuming you survive that long. If the fields aren't furrowed, plow them. If the iron is not hot, make it so. If society is not ready, change it.

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Postby Dooom35796821595 » Fri Aug 10, 2018 9:47 am

You make the head of state ceremonial, replace their title with king/queen, have them voted in for life. Or just have Liz II do it.

Then have the leader of the Congress become President, and the leader of the senate become vice-president.

There, America is a monarchy.
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The President would have a line item veto Power.
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Postby The V O I D » Fri Aug 10, 2018 9:50 am

Dooom35796821595 wrote:You make the head of state ceremonial, replace their title with king/queen, have them voted in for life. Or just have Liz II do it.

Then have the leader of the Congress become President, and the leader of the senate become vice-president.

There, America is a monarchy.


I think the OP's question was “how would you restructure the US government - keeping or dissolving the current branches?”

Or...something along those lines. I tried to be very thorough in my answer.

Unless this is your answer? In which case, why a monarchy?

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Chan Island wrote:
Uxupox wrote:
German constitution is incompatible with the founding father's principle of liberty under their vision of John Locke.


.... Oh well, I guess? Even then though, I swear most of those ranking sites rank Germany as freer than the US nowadays anyway.


Freer in the sense of what however?
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Ifreann wrote:Cybernetically interconnect the minds of all government officials and create a government hive mind.

lol, the Borg Collective.
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