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Bombadil
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Postby Bombadil » Fri Aug 10, 2018 7:21 pm

Yagon wrote:
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Didn't Dawkins invent the word 'meme'?

EDIT: It originated from Dawkins' 1976 book The Selfish Gene. Dawkins's own position is somewhat ambiguous: he welcomed N. K. Humphrey's suggestion that "memes should be considered as living structures, not just metaphorically" and proposed to regard memes as "physically residing in the brain". Later, he argued that his original intentions, presumably before his approval of Humphrey's opinion, had been simpler.


I wonder, machines can act as a substrate for memes to be communicated, but it is the human brains on which they are truly a substrate.

I wonder if memes could eventually develop, perpetuate, and exist solely on machines if the machines began interpreting and reacting to them.


Any system built on replication is susceptible to corruption.. the key to genes, memes and conspiracy theories is that they're highly replicable and thus adaptable.. I see no reason why this wouldn't transfer over to machines.
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Postby Yagon » Fri Aug 10, 2018 7:26 pm

Bombadil wrote:
Yagon wrote:
I wonder, machines can act as a substrate for memes to be communicated, but it is the human brains on which they are truly a substrate.

I wonder if memes could eventually develop, perpetuate, and exist solely on machines if the machines began interpreting and reacting to them.


Any system built on replication is susceptible to corruption.. the key to genes, memes and conspiracy theories is that they're highly replicable and thus adaptable.. I see no reason why this wouldn't transfer over to machines.


Heheh, now I'm having a vision...


ME: I don't get the meme.

Machine: For you to understand it I would have to alter you in ways that would make you so different, you would arguably not be human in the sense you think of it now.

ME: Please don't RickRoll me.

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Postby Bombadil » Fri Aug 10, 2018 7:29 pm

Yagon wrote:
Bombadil wrote:
Any system built on replication is susceptible to corruption.. the key to genes, memes and conspiracy theories is that they're highly replicable and thus adaptable.. I see no reason why this wouldn't transfer over to machines.


Heheh, now I'm having a vision...


ME: I don't get the meme.

Machine: For you to understand it I would have to alter you in ways that would make you so different, you would arguably not be human in the sense you think of it now.

ME: Please don't RickRoll me.


Yeah.. I see AI space bodies traversing the universe and coming across the first intelligent life form and, after initial contact, sending a file containing 'important advanced information to further your civilisation' and on downloading it..

'Never gonna give you up, never gonna let you do-o-own..'

An alternate ending to Close Encounters perhaps..
Eldest, that's what I am...Tom remembers the first raindrop and the first acorn...he knew the dark under the stars when it was fearless — before the Dark Lord came from Outside..

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Postby Ethel mermania » Sat Aug 11, 2018 6:32 am

Bombadil wrote:
Yagon wrote:
Heheh, now I'm having a vision...


ME: I don't get the meme.

Machine: For you to understand it I would have to alter you in ways that would make you so different, you would arguably not be human in the sense you think of it now.

ME: Please don't RickRoll me.


Yeah.. I see AI space bodies traversing the universe and coming across the first intelligent life form and, after initial contact, sending a file containing 'important advanced information to further your civilisation' and on downloading it..

'Never gonna give you up, never gonna let you do-o-own..'

An alternate ending to Close Encounters perhaps..

More like

He's got your number now
He knows just what you've done
You've got no place to hide,
You've got nowhere to run
He knows your life of crime
I think it's suppertime
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Postby Constitutional Technocracy of Minecraft » Sat Aug 11, 2018 1:50 pm

A simple way to debunk conspiracy theories: Does the conspiracy affect the lives of the rich/powerful people supposedly behind the conspiracy?

Some examples:
. "The government is spraying chemical trails in the atmosphere for population control" - Do Donald Trump, Xi Jinping and Vladimir Putin wear oxygen masks whenever they go outside?
. "The rich are withholding a cure for cancer because it would destroy the farming industry if mass-produced" - What did Steve Jobs die from?
. "Global warming is a hoax by the Chinese" - Which country in the world has the greatest CO2 emissions?
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Yagon
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Postby Yagon » Sat Aug 11, 2018 2:13 pm

Constitutional Technocracy of Minecraft wrote:A simple way to debunk conspiracy theories: Does the conspiracy affect the lives of rich/powerful people?

Some examples:
. "The government is spraying chemical trails in the atmosphere for population control" - Do Donald Trump, Xi Jinping and Vladimir Putin wear oxygen masks whenever they go outside?
. "The rich are withholding a cure for cancer because it would destroy the farming industry if mass-produced" - What did Steve Jobs die from?


I think the shapeshifting lizards are immune from the chem trails because of the baby blood they drink, and the ones that appear to die from cancer have their minds transmuted to fresh young bodies via Kaballah alchemy they learned from Satan who is really from another planet-dimension-vibrational plane.

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Postby Dark Socialism » Sat Aug 11, 2018 2:14 pm

Constitutional Technocracy of Minecraft wrote:A simple way to debunk conspiracy theories: Does the conspiracy affect the lives of rich/powerful people?

Some examples:
. "The government is spraying chemical trails in the atmosphere for population control" - Do Donald Trump, Xi Jinping and Vladimir Putin wear oxygen masks whenever they go outside?
. "The rich are withholding a cure for cancer because it would destroy the farming industry if mass-produced" - What did Steve Jobs die from?

Doesn't disprove Pedogate
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Postby Constitutional Technocracy of Minecraft » Sun Aug 12, 2018 3:41 am

Dark Socialism wrote:
Constitutional Technocracy of Minecraft wrote:A simple way to debunk conspiracy theories: Does the conspiracy affect the lives of rich/powerful people?

Some examples:
. "The government is spraying chemical trails in the atmosphere for population control" - Do Donald Trump, Xi Jinping and Vladimir Putin wear oxygen masks whenever they go outside?
. "The rich are withholding a cure for cancer because it would destroy the farming industry if mass-produced" - What did Steve Jobs die from?

Doesn't disprove Pedogate

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/12/10/business/media/pizzagate.html

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