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Soritarius wrote:Or we could abandon democratic socialism all together because it's a belief system for fascist sympathizers and Rosa-Killers.

>DemSocs
>Fascist sympathizers

Hot take, did you take it from Stalin's best seller, "Gulags and How to See Yourself in One!"?

Damn, I'm late for this thread.

Anyway, let's not put an absolutely abhorrent system into the United States eh? Socialism does not belong in the United States in any format, ever.

Engleberg wrote:Damn, I'm late for this thread.

Anyway, let's not put an absolutely abhorrent system into the United States eh? Socialism does not belong in the United States in any format, ever.

Fuck the peasants for wanting equality amirite? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Torrocca wrote:

Engleberg wrote:Damn, I'm late for this thread.

Anyway, let's not put an absolutely abhorrent system into the United States eh? Socialism does not belong in the United States in any format, ever.

Fuck the peasants for wanting equality amirite? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

"I'm poor, so let's make sure everyone else is poor as well?" Sounds like a great idea.

Or wait, even better:

"Let's make everyone else pay for me, so I don't have to work for myself!"

Engleberg wrote:

Torrocca wrote:
Fuck the peasants for wanting equality amirite? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

"I'm poor, so let's make sure everyone else is poor as well?" Sounds like a great idea.

Or wait, even better:

"Let's make everyone else pay for me, so I don't have to work for myself!"

Oh look! It’s my favorite straw man that capitalists use! Completely not understanding what socialism actually is!

Engleberg wrote:

Torrocca wrote:
Fuck the peasants for wanting equality amirite? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

"I'm poor, so let's make sure everyone else is poor as well?" Sounds like a great idea.

Or wait, even better:

"Let's make everyone else pay for me, so I don't have to work for myself!"

Ah, I see you too graduated from the "Keynesian School of Economics and Misrepresentative Debating Tactics That Don't Actually Represent Your Opponents' Positions" with a Ph.D, just like me.

West Leas Oros 2 wrote:

Engleberg wrote:
"I'm poor, so let's make sure everyone else is poor as well?" Sounds like a great idea.

Or wait, even better:

"Let's make everyone else pay for me, so I don't have to work for myself!"

Oh look! It’s my favorite straw man that capitalists use! Completely not understanding what socialism actually is!

Whether or not that's what socialism "actually is," the system does not belong within the United States period. We've resisted it for decades, and we don't need to bow to the reds now because of some younger folk thinking 2017 and 2018's "socialism fad" is good for the entire nation.

Torrocca wrote:

Engleberg wrote:
"I'm poor, so let's make sure everyone else is poor as well?" Sounds like a great idea.

Or wait, even better:

"Let's make everyone else pay for me, so I don't have to work for myself!"

Ah, I see you too graduated from the "Keynesian School of Economics and Misrepresentative Debating Tactics That Don't Actually Represent Your Opponents' Positions" with a Ph.D, just like me.

*Austrian

pls no insult Keynesian thought

Engleberg wrote:

West Leas Oros 2 wrote:Oh look! It’s my favorite straw man that capitalists use! Completely not understanding what socialism actually is!

Whether or not that's what socialism "actually is," the system does not belong within the United States period. We've resisted it for decades, and we don't need to bow to the reds now because of some younger folk thinking 2017 and 2018's "socialism fad" is good for the entire nation.

The irony of a Monarchist saying this about the country that rebelled against a Monarchy is absurdly delicious.

Conserative Morality wrote:

Torrocca wrote:
Ah, I see you too graduated from the "Keynesian School of Economics and Misrepresentative Debating Tactics That Don't Actually Represent Your Opponents' Positions" with a Ph.D, just like me.

*Austrian

pls no insult Keynesian thought

Sorry, CM, but an ironic Anarcho-Primitivist red has gotta do what he's gotta yabba dabba doo. :^)

Engleberg wrote:

West Leas Oros 2 wrote:Oh look! It’s my favorite straw man that capitalists use! Completely not understanding what socialism actually is!

Whether or not that's what socialism "actually is," the system does not belong within the United States period. We've resisted it for decades, and we don't need to bow to the reds now because of some younger folk thinking 2017 and 2018's "socialism fad" is good for the entire nation.

Daily reminder that the great American and Republican President Abraham Lincoln, savior of the nation, had an amicable correspondence with Karl Marx in which they agreed on a number of important points regarding labor and oppression. =^)

Engleberg wrote:

West Leas Oros 2 wrote:Oh look! It’s my favorite straw man that capitalists use! Completely not understanding what socialism actually is!

Whether or not that's what socialism "actually is," the system does not belong within the United States period. We've resisted it for decades, and we don't need to bow to the reds now because of some younger folk thinking 2017 and 2018's "socialism fad" is good for the entire nation.

TIL that modern advocacy for socialism is literally a soviet plot.

Torrocca wrote:

Engleberg wrote:
"I'm poor, so let's make sure everyone else is poor as well?" Sounds like a great idea.

Or wait, even better:

"Let's make everyone else pay for me, so I don't have to work for myself!"

Ah, I see you too graduated from the "Keynesian School of Economics and Misrepresentative Debating Tactics That Don't Actually Represent Your Opponents' Positions" with a Ph.D, just like me.

Good to see a fellow classmate. I also finished my other graduate degree from the "Richmond School of American Conservativism," focusing on "Keeping the Reds out of my US of A."

Engleberg wrote:

Torrocca wrote:
Ah, I see you too graduated from the "Keynesian School of Economics and Misrepresentative Debating Tactics That Don't Actually Represent Your Opponents' Positions" with a Ph.D, just like me.

Good to see a fellow classmate. I also finished my other graduate degree from the "Richmond School of American Conservativism," focusing on "Keeping the Reds out of my US of A."

I see you missed out on the, "Social Studies 1776," class, though. Tsk tsk, real shame. We're gonna have to take away your American license for that one.

Engleberg wrote:Good to see a fellow classmate. I also finished my other graduate degree from the "Richmond School of American Conservativism," focusing on "Keeping the Reds out of my US of A."

Not that conservative if you would go against such traditional values! You probably believe in putting mankind on a cross of gold as well!

>> when you mix 19th century GOP and Dem talking points for MAXIMUM EFFECT

Engleberg wrote:

Torrocca wrote:
Ah, I see you too graduated from the "Keynesian School of Economics and Misrepresentative Debating Tactics That Don't Actually Represent Your Opponents' Positions" with a Ph.D, just like me.

Good to see a fellow classmate. I also finished my other graduate degree from the "Richmond School of American Conservativism," focusing on "Keeping the Reds out of my US of A."

Anything Left of Center: *exists*
Engle: FUCKING REDS!

Torrocca wrote:

Engleberg wrote:
Whether or not that's what socialism "actually is," the system does not belong within the United States period. We've resisted it for decades, and we don't need to bow to the reds now because of some younger folk thinking 2017 and 2018's "socialism fad" is good for the entire nation.

The irony of a Monarchist saying this about the country that rebelled against a Monarchy is absurdly delicious.

Conserative Morality wrote:*Austrian

pls no insult Keynesian thought

Sorry, CM, but an ironic Anarcho-Primitivist red has gotta do what he's gotta yabba dabba doo. :^)

I am a staunch monarchist who loves Prussia, but I am also a citizen of the United States and a conservative capitalist. I don't want another nation that I love dying, thank you very much.

West Leas Oros 2 wrote:

Engleberg wrote:
Good to see a fellow classmate. I also finished my other graduate degree from the "Richmond School of American Conservativism," focusing on "Keeping the Reds out of my US of A."

Anything Left of Center: *exists*
Engle: FUCKING REDS!

I see you have discovered my entire mental attitude on this website.

Engleberg wrote:

Torrocca wrote:
The irony of a Monarchist saying this about the country that rebelled against a Monarchy is absurdly delicious.



Sorry, CM, but an ironic Anarcho-Primitivist red has gotta do what he's gotta yabba dabba doo. :^)

I am a staunch monarchist who loves Prussia, but I am also a citizen of the United States and a conservative capitalist. I don't want another nation that I love dying, thank you very much.

>Prussia

Oh boy, is it already Military-Industrial Complex With a Dash of Kaisers A.M.? So soon, too!

Engleberg wrote:

West Leas Oros 2 wrote:Anything Left of Center: *exists*
Engle: FUCKING REDS!

I see you have discovered my entire mental attitude on this website.

I figured as much.

Engleberg wrote:staunch monarchist

also a citizen of the United States

Americans have always been an opponent of monarchs. We only ever had one non-democratic ruler, and he was a good imperator and primus inter pares who neither inherited nor passed down his title.

Conserative Morality wrote:

Engleberg wrote:staunch monarchist

also a citizen of the United States

Americans have always been an opponent of monarchs. We only ever had one non-democratic ruler, and he was a good imperator and primus inter pares who neither inherited nor passed down his title.

Pre-1918, I'm pro-Prussia/German Empire

Post-1918, I'm pro-USA because nothing else good exists after 1918

As Germany no longer exists, I do not wish to see the country I love get ruined by a system that has no reason to be in it. Socialism, and hell even a monarchy, don't belong here because the entire history of the nation has not created a fertile ground for those ideologies and systems.

Engleberg wrote:

Conserative Morality wrote:
Americans have always been an opponent of monarchs. We only ever had one non-democratic ruler, and he was a good imperator and primus inter pares who neither inherited nor passed down his title.

Pre-1918, I'm pro-Prussia/German Empire

Post-1918, I'm pro-USA because nothing else good exists after 1918

As Germany no longer exists, I do not wish to see the country I love get ruined by a system that has no reason to be in it. Socialism, and hell even a monarchy, don't belong here because the entire history of the nation has not created a fertile ground for those ideologies and systems.

>Monarchist, but against establishing a Monarchy in America



Furthermore, America's had plenty of Socialist and proto-Socialist fervor. Hell, there was a huge amount of it going on even in the late 19th century, certainly far more so than monarchism.

Engleberg wrote:

Conserative Morality wrote:
Americans have always been an opponent of monarchs. We only ever had one non-democratic ruler, and he was a good imperator and primus inter pares who neither inherited nor passed down his title.

Pre-1918, I'm pro-Prussia/German Empire

Post-1918, I'm pro-USA because nothing else good exists after 1918

As Germany no longer exists, I do not wish to see the country I love get ruined by a system that has no reason to be in it. Socialism, and hell even a monarchy, don't belong here because the entire history of the nation has not created a fertile ground for those ideologies and systems.

So they don’t belong in America, because America doesn’t support those ideologies?

Torrocca wrote:

Engleberg wrote:
Pre-1918, I'm pro-Prussia/German Empire

Post-1918, I'm pro-USA because nothing else good exists after 1918

As Germany no longer exists, I do not wish to see the country I love get ruined by a system that has no reason to be in it. Socialism, and hell even a monarchy, don't belong here because the entire history of the nation has not created a fertile ground for those ideologies and systems.

>Monarchist, but against establishing a Monarchy in America

Furthermore, America's had plenty of Socialist and proto-Socialist fervor. Hell, there was a huge amount of it going on even in the late 19th century, certainly far more so than monarchism.

I can realise when a system doesn't belong in a nation

Yeah, every industrialised nation has had socialist fervor since the 19th century. Doesn't mean it fits.

West Leas Oros 2 wrote:

Engleberg wrote:
Pre-1918, I'm pro-Prussia/German Empire

Post-1918, I'm pro-USA because nothing else good exists after 1918

As Germany no longer exists, I do not wish to see the country I love get ruined by a system that has no reason to be in it. Socialism, and hell even a monarchy, don't belong here because the entire history of the nation has not created a fertile ground for those ideologies and systems.

So they don’t belong in America, because America doesn’t support those ideologies?

They don't belong in America because they'd be detrimental. The USA is a capitalist nation, and has prevailed because of this freedom. It's similar to how republicanism destroyed Germany after WWI.

Engleberg wrote:Pre-1918, I'm pro-Prussia/German Empire

Post-1918, I'm pro-USA because nothing else good exists after 1918

As Germany no longer exists, I do not wish to see the country I love get ruined by a system that has no reason to be in it. Socialism, and hell even a monarchy, don't belong here because the entire history of the nation has not created a fertile ground for those ideologies and systems.

America has always been very fertile ground for socialism, though. Every American is naturally an entrepreneur. It's in our culture. To have all individuals own the means of production to trade the goods they produce freely? That sounds pretty American to me. Daily reminder that the Socialist Party of America is one of the few third parties that lasted a number of elections and found some electoral success!

I'm no socialist, but market socialism would not be a foreign idea, especially to early Americans who believed in the strength of yeomen farmers and early industrialists.