Democratic Socialism in the U.S and How to Pay for It?

[Petrolheadia]

And how do you imagine that, the industrialists just having a moment of spending?

Yeah, they would still be making a profit even with the extra expenses.

And in the end, the workers got their rights.

[Torrocca]

Yeah, they would still be making a profit even with the extra expenses.

And in the end, the workers got their rights.

After being murdered en masse by various industrialists that didn't want to give them their rights to begin with. Which are, of course, eroding away nowadays anyway.

[Great Minarchistan]

And what is better? Living like 18th century peasants?

What's better is not having a system where fatcat industrialists go about murdering people on the whim because they want basic working rights.

TIL that workplace deaths are as high as in the 1700s-- wait, uhhhh

[Firaxin]

Yeah, they would still be making a profit even with the extra expenses.

And in the end, the workers got their rights.

Indeed, however they could've had them from the beginning, and be better off as a result.

[Torrocca]

What's better is not having a system where fatcat industrialists go about murdering people on the whim because they want basic working rights.

TIL that workplace deaths are as high as in the 1700s-- wait, uhhhh

>pretending wanton murder didn't happen to workers who protested for their rights

lmao okay

[Hammer Britannia]

Truth hurts.

Strawmen hurt even worse when they're lit on fire. :^)

He doesn't look like he's in too much pain.

[Great Minarchistan]

And in the end, the workers got their rights.

Indeed, however they could've had them from the beginning, and be better off as a result.

TIL that industrialists w/o accumulated capital in the 1700s could afford workplace safety measures

[Hammer Britannia]

TIL that workplace deaths are as high as in the 1700s-- wait, uhhhh

>pretending wanton murder didn't happen to workers who protested for their rights

lmao okay

You mean like the murders in every society that happened to people who wanted rights?

[Petrolheadia]

And in the end, the workers got their rights.

Indeed, however they could've had them from the beginning, and be better off as a result.

And your idea for that is?

[The Liberated Territories]

TIL that workplace deaths are as high as in the 1700s-- wait, uhhhh

>pretending wanton murder didn't happen to workers who protested for their rights

lmao okay

I remember the genocide of workers, it's right up there with the Holodomir.

Or can we accept that a few instances of class based murder do not equate any form of class warfare as you put it?

[Skarten]

You know, it could work.
I mean, aren't you american gringos with obesity problems? Socialism would fix that in a second! You'll be as thin as a african child that appears on these facebook posts!
And while we're at it, let's just tax the rich 100% (I'm sure they'll stay here), get rid of the military and skyrocket the debt!

HOOORAY FOR SOCIALISM!



USSR Anthem Starts playing

[Great Minarchistan]

TIL that workplace deaths are as high as in the 1700s-- wait, uhhhh

>pretending wanton murder didn't happen to workers who protested for their rights

lmao okay

Capitalists wouldn't want to murder workers, after all that'd decrease the labor supply and increase workers' wages (using your own logic).

[Firaxin]

Indeed, however they could've had them from the beginning, and be better off as a result.

TIL that industrialists w/o accumulated capital in the 1700s could afford workplace safety measures

No, but they could've payed workers what they were really owed and give employees reasonable hours to work.

[Aclion]

*wacks Torrocca* No! Bad commie

It's still better than what the right-"Libertarians" are proposing, friendo! You know it to be true c:

Fully automated luxury space capitalism?

[Thanatttynia]

>pretending wanton murder didn't happen to workers who protested for their rights

lmao okay

Capitalists wouldn't want to murder workers, after all that'd decrease the labor supply and increase workers' wages (using your own logic).

You'd think, right? And yet strangely enough workers who protested for their rights were killed. Probably because their economic value to the capitalists was offset by the potential economic loss that could result from their ideas becoming widespread.

[Great Minarchistan]

TIL that industrialists w/o accumulated capital in the 1700s could afford workplace safety measures

No, but they could've played workers what they were really owed and give employees reasonable hours to work.

When you are a boss in the 1700s and your own living standards are worse than the typical middle class american in 2018, how are you going to accumulate capital by giving benefits and safety to everyone

[Firaxin]

Indeed, however they could've had them from the beginning, and be better off as a result.

And your idea for that is?

Give them what industrialists can give them.

Unless you mean for automation, I would suggest UBI until transhumanism is achievable.

[Uxupox]

And your idea for that is?

Give them what industrialists can give them.

Unless you mean for automation, I would suggest UBI until transhumanism is achievable.

Every man king achievable?

[Great Minarchistan]

You'd think, right? And yet strangely enough workers who protested for their rights were killed. Probably because their economic value to the capitalists was offset by the potential economic loss that could result from their ideas becoming widespread.

Indeed, just like Owen's attempt at favorable work conditions without accumulated capital :^)

[Torrocca]

>pretending wanton murder didn't happen to workers who protested for their rights

lmao okay

Capitalists wouldn't want to murder workers, after all that'd decrease the labor supply and increase workers' wages (using your own logic).

Huh, I guess that explains why Blair Mountain, Ludlow, and so on and so forth and so on and so forth and so on and so forth never happened, amirite??? :^)

[West Leas Oros 2]

You know, it could work.
I mean, aren't you american gringos with obesity problems? Socialism would fix that in a second! You'll be as thin as a african child that appears on these facebook posts!
And while we're at it, let's just tax the rich 100% (I'm sure they'll stay here), get rid of the military and skyrocket the debt!

HOOORAY FOR SOCIALISM!



USSR Anthem Starts playing

Ah, the smell of straw in the morning.

[Torrocca]

>pretending wanton murder didn't happen to workers who protested for their rights

lmao okay

I remember the genocide of workers, it's right up there with the Holodomir.

Or can we accept that a few instances of class based murder do not equate any form of class warfare as you put it?

I guess murder is perfectly fine when it happens under your ideal system, amirite? :^)

[Wysten]

You know, it could work.
I mean, aren't you american gringos with obesity problems? Socialism would fix that in a second! You'll be as thin as a african child that appears on these facebook posts!
And while we're at it, let's just tax the rich 100% (I'm sure they'll stay here), get rid of the military and skyrocket the debt!

HOOORAY FOR SOCIALISM!



USSR Anthem Starts playing

Ah, the smell of straw in the morning.

He isn't wrong though I suppose one of you lot have some new brand that totally won't backfire.

[Firaxin]

No, but they could've played workers what they were really owed and give employees reasonable hours to work.

When you are a boss in the 1700s and your own living standards are worse than the typical middle class american in 2018, how are you going to accumulate capital by giving benefits and safety to everyone

Benefits and Safety? They weren't asking for that then, they were asking for the ability to go home and enjoy life after work.

[Hammer Britannia]

I remember the genocide of workers, it's right up there with the Holodomir.

Or can we accept that a few instances of class based murder do not equate any form of class warfare as you put it?

I guess murder is perfectly fine when it happens under your ideal system, amirite? :^)

Yeah, like Rojo Terror