Democratic Socialism in the U.S and How to Pay for It?

[Great Minarchistan]

That quote where the word "cheaper" does not appear anywhere? If I'm telling you anything it's that you are reading things that don't exist. So maybe I was wrong and you aren't lying, you're just hallucinating.

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The fuck is wrong with you people? Did someone spike the water supply?

On another thread I theorized that republican types hate her because she's female, young, Hispanic and left wing meaning she's 4 of the 5 groups they despise. Their vitriolic insults whenever she gets mentioned backs me up imo.

Most republicans constantly shit on sanders, and he's (according to your list) solely as despised as a typical young centrist woman that certainly gets not that much of hate

[Great Minarchistan]

Yes, I'm sure you are insulting her because of things that she didn't actually say.

http://insider.foxnews.com/2018/08/08/o ... re-america

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa ... l-n2508254

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Faux News!!!! Fake news!!!!!!! LAME!

[Thermodolia]

Who fucking cares about being efficient. Chasing efficiency for efficiency is extremely dumb

You know, chasing efficiency allows people to work less

Unemployment and underemployment are great!! Said no one ever, except apparently the resident futurists and right libertarians.

while having a higher purchasing power, while allowing for minimal waste on production.

I never said I was totally anti-efficiency but that I’m against chasing efficiency just to be efficient without thinking about the workers

I thought you were pro-worker and pro-environment?

I am Pro-worker. I’m for keeping their jobs and making sure that they are put into the homeless shelter. If we have to be somewhat inefficient because of that than so be it. I’m not going to chase efficiency for efficiencies sake.

Because if we wanted to be super efficient than we automate everything and fire all humans. That’s anti-worker.

[Torrocca]

You know, chasing efficiency allows people to work less

Unemployment and underemployment are great!! Said no one ever, except apparently the resident futurists and right libertarians.

while having a higher purchasing power, while allowing for minimal waste on production.

I never said I was totally anti-efficiency but that I’m against chasing efficiency just to be efficient without thinking about the workers

I thought you were pro-worker and pro-environment?

I am Pro-worker. I’m for keeping their jobs and making sure that they are put into the homeless shelter. If we have to be somewhat inefficient because of that than so be it. I’m not going to chase efficiency for efficiencies sake.

Because if we wanted to be super efficient than we automate everything and fire all humans. That’s anti-worker.

If we go full-automation, then the only proper way to do that is with the abolishment of Capitalism, otherwise everyone's getting fucked over except the rich because of the lack of traditional work.

[Ifreann]

Yes, I'm sure you are insulting her because of things that she didn't actually say.

http://insider.foxnews.com/2018/08/08/o ... re-america

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa ... l-n2508254

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Come on, WRA, I know you can read. She doesn't say that Medicare for all is cheaper because it reduces funeral costs. She says that Medicare for all is cheaper according to a Koch brothers funded study. She says that the cost of funerals for those who die because they cannot afford treatment is part of the cost of America's healthcare system but which is not on the sticker, so to speak. There is no "Our way will be cheaper because people won't be paying for funerals" statement. There's certainly no "Single payer will cover funeral expenses" statement.

[Torrocca]

http://insider.foxnews.com/2018/08/08/o ... re-america

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa ... l-n2508254

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Faux News!!!! Fake news!!!!!!! LAME!

http://insider.foxnews.com/2018/08/08/o ... re-america

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa ... l-n2508254

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Come on, WRA, I know you can read. She doesn't say that Medicare for all is cheaper because it reduces funeral costs. She says that Medicare for all is cheaper according to a Koch brothers funded study. She says that the cost of funerals for those who die because they cannot afford treatment is part of the cost of America's healthcare system but which is not on the sticker, so to speak. There is no "Our way will be cheaper because people won't be paying for funerals" statement. There's certainly no "Single payer will cover funeral expenses" statement.

[Thermodolia]

Unemployment and underemployment are great!! Said no one ever, except apparently the resident futurists and right libertarians.


I never said I was totally anti-efficiency but that I’m against chasing efficiency just to be efficient without thinking about the workers


I am Pro-worker. I’m for keeping their jobs and making sure that they are put into the homeless shelter. If we have to be somewhat inefficient because of that than so be it. I’m not going to chase efficiency for efficiencies sake.

Because if we wanted to be super efficient than we automate everything and fire all humans. That’s anti-worker.

If we go full-automation, then the only proper way to do that is with the abolishment of Capitalism, otherwise everyone's getting fucked over except the rich because of the lack of traditional work.

Which is super impossible. As the entire world has to get rid of capitalism

[Torrocca]

If we go full-automation, then the only proper way to do that is with the abolishment of Capitalism, otherwise everyone's getting fucked over except the rich because of the lack of traditional work.

Which is super impossible. As the entire world has to get rid of capitalism

Nah, it's not technically impossible. Let GM have his heyday for a bit with "increased efficiency in the field of productivity" since literally the only thing that matters is economic issues and not social ones or political ones, and see how long it takes for the jobless, starving masses to tear down his silly little utopian right-"Libertarian" dream.

[Washington Resistance Army]

http://insider.foxnews.com/2018/08/08/o ... re-america

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa ... l-n2508254

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Come on, WRA, I know you can read. She doesn't say that Medicare for all is cheaper because it reduces funeral costs. She says that Medicare for all is cheaper according to a Koch brothers funded study. She says that the cost of funerals for those who die because they cannot afford treatment is part of the cost of America's healthcare system but which is not on the sticker, so to speak. There is no "Our way will be cheaper because people won't be paying for funerals" statement. There's certainly no "Single payer will cover funeral expenses" statement.

She doesn't specifically say that, no. I more just included the second link because it was something Wysten said and I wanted to be thorough, I'd never even heard of that one tbh.

[Conserative Morality]

Most republicans constantly shit on sanders,

lol

[Firaxin]

Unemployment and underemployment are great!! Said no one ever, except apparently the resident futurists and right libertarians.


I never said I was totally anti-efficiency but that I’m against chasing efficiency just to be efficient without thinking about the workers


I am Pro-worker. I’m for keeping their jobs and making sure that they are put into the homeless shelter. If we have to be somewhat inefficient because of that than so be it. I’m not going to chase efficiency for efficiencies sake.

Because if we wanted to be super efficient than we automate everything and fire all humans. That’s anti-worker.

If we go full-automation, then the only proper way to do that is with the abolishment of Capitalism, otherwise everyone's getting fucked over except the rich because of the lack of traditional work.

Not necessarily, workers just have to become as good as/better than the automatons.

[Torrocca]

If we go full-automation, then the only proper way to do that is with the abolishment of Capitalism, otherwise everyone's getting fucked over except the rich because of the lack of traditional work.

Not necessarily, workers just have to become as good as/better than the automatons.

*Transhumanism intensifies*

[Washington Resistance Army]

If we go full-automation, then the only proper way to do that is with the abolishment of Capitalism, otherwise everyone's getting fucked over except the rich because of the lack of traditional work.

Not necessarily, workers just have to become as good as/better than the automatons.

Which isn't going to happen lol

[Thermodolia]

If we go full-automation, then the only proper way to do that is with the abolishment of Capitalism, otherwise everyone's getting fucked over except the rich because of the lack of traditional work.

Not necessarily, workers just have to become as good as/better than the automatons.

Which is physically impossible

[Hammer Britannia]

If we go full-automation, then the only proper way to do that is with the abolishment of Capitalism, otherwise everyone's getting fucked over except the rich because of the lack of traditional work.

Not necessarily, workers just have to become as good as/better than the automatons.

Call me when you beat Deep Blue in chess

[Thermodolia]

Not necessarily, workers just have to become as good as/better than the automatons.

*Transhumanism intensifies*

*wacks Torrocca* No! Bad commie

[Ifreann]

Not necessarily, workers just have to become as good as/better than the automatons.

*Transhumanism intensifies*

It's like the old saying says, if you can't beat them, transcend the limitations of your puny meat body.

[Torrocca]

*Transhumanism intensifies*

*wacks Torrocca* No! Bad commie

It's still better than what the right-"Libertarians" are proposing, friendo! You know it to be true c:

*Transhumanism intensifies*

It's like the old saying says, if you can't beat them, transcend the limitations of your puny meat body.

I AM BECOME MACHINE

[Firaxin]

Not necessarily, workers just have to become as good as/better than the automatons.

Which isn't going to happen lol

Not necessarily, workers just have to become as good as/better than the automatons.

Which is physically impossible

Not necessarily, workers just have to become as good as/better than the automatons.

Call me when you beat Deep Blue in chess

Becoming cybernetic beings would literally allow this to happen and it's possible, though not now. The question most have to grapple with is whether the new you is really the real you.

[Ardenesia]

Replace all existing social programs with a universal basic income and replace all existing taxes with a land value tax.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Replace all existing social programs with a universal basic income and replace all existing taxes with a land value tax.

UBI is too expensive to work, we've gone over this about a million times now.

[Hammer Britannia]

Becoming cybernetic beings would literally allow this to happen and it's possible, though not now. The question most have to grapple with is whether the new you is really the real you.

Then are you human?

[Conserative Morality]

Replace all existing social programs with a universal basic income and replace all existing taxes with a land value tax.

UBI is too expensive to work, we've gone over this about a million times now.

Funny how there's never actually a good argument against it.

[Thermodolia]

*wacks Torrocca* No! Bad commie

It's still better than what the right-"Libertarians" are proposing, friendo! You know it to be true c:

I choose Neo-Luddite Syndicalism.

[Thermodolia]

Which isn't going to happen lol

Which is physically impossible

Call me when you beat Deep Blue in chess

Becoming cybernetic beings would literally allow this to happen and it's possible, though not now. The question most have to grapple with is whether the new you is really the real you.

It’s not really possible. And no it’s not you