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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Fri Aug 10, 2018 6:15 pm

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You're quickly approaching traitorous territory, comrade.

Worker owned Co-ops are fine. Or each worker gets a share, aka stock, in the company that translates to their pay.


Yes to the first, no to the second.
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Postby Kramanica » Fri Aug 10, 2018 6:16 pm

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The BLS May 2017 Report, which assesses the median hourly wage of US workers at $18.12/hr, would disagree. That the study cited is from the "National Employment Law Project, an organization that supports raising the minimum wage and the unionization of workers," may point to a tiny hint of bias.

Edit: Again, I say this as someone who recognizes the real dollar value of the minimum wage peaked almost half a century ago (at just over $10/hr!).

Tbh minimum wage shouldn’t exist in the first place. The workers should be allowed to set their wages themselves/own the means of production.

That way there is no need for such things

This guy gets it.
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Postby Oil exporting People » Fri Aug 10, 2018 6:19 pm

I like to think I've had a hand in bringing about the above opinions.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Fri Aug 10, 2018 6:20 pm

Oil exporting People wrote:I like to think I've had a hand in bringing about the above opinions.


You've made us all see the utility in just machine gunning the opposition at least :p
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Postby Thermodolia » Fri Aug 10, 2018 6:21 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Worker owned Co-ops are fine. Or each worker gets a share, aka stock, in the company that translates to their pay.


Yes to the first, no to the second.

I was thinking along the lines of Mondragon which has levels of stock for each level of employment going from unskilled to the CEO.

The unskilled guy gets one share while the CEO gets 14. Which means that the CEO gets 14x what the Unskilled guy is making, it’s also the amount of votes that they get. The company doesn’t have set wages but runs off of the profits they make. The more their profits and revenue go up the more the employees get paid
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Postby Great Minarchistan » Fri Aug 10, 2018 6:45 pm

Torrocca wrote:And you have the option not to post graphs without sources backing them up as a counter to the source(s) I post.

The datasets are explicitly shown in there, with the intermediate source (FRED) right at your face.
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Postby Bakery Hill » Fri Aug 10, 2018 7:53 pm

Oil exporting People wrote:I like to think I've had a hand in bringing about the above opinions.

No I was clearly the one who invented syndicalism.
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Postby Oil exporting People » Fri Aug 10, 2018 7:54 pm

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Oil exporting People wrote:I like to think I've had a hand in bringing about the above opinions.

No I was clearly the one who invented syndicalism.


Be quite you degenerate Englishman; we National Syndicalists are the real chosen.
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Postby Bakery Hill » Fri Aug 10, 2018 7:59 pm

Oil exporting People wrote:
Bakery Hill wrote:No I was clearly the one who invented syndicalism.


Be quite you degenerate Englishman; we National Syndicalists are the real chosen.

Rebranded fascism gives the worker nothing except cheap parades and meth amphetamines.
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Postby Oil exporting People » Fri Aug 10, 2018 8:01 pm

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Be quite you degenerate Englishman; we National Syndicalists are the real chosen.

Rebranded fascism gives the worker nothing except cheap parades and meth amphetamines.


Better than the Soviets who use random Siberian Mushrooms.
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Postby Bakery Hill » Fri Aug 10, 2018 8:02 pm

Oil exporting People wrote:
Bakery Hill wrote:Rebranded fascism gives the worker nothing except cheap parades and meth amphetamines.


Better than the Soviets who use random Siberian Mushrooms.

Someone is afraid to expand their mind it seems.
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Postby Oil exporting People » Fri Aug 10, 2018 8:05 pm

Bakery Hill wrote:
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Better than the Soviets who use random Siberian Mushrooms.

Someone is afraid to expand their mind it seems.


Expanding one's mind in Stalin's realm generally occurs via a Commissar putting a bullet in your skull.
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Postby Bakery Hill » Fri Aug 10, 2018 8:10 pm

Oil exporting People wrote:
Bakery Hill wrote:Someone is afraid to expand their mind it seems.


Expanding one's mind in Stalin's realm generally occurs via a Commissar putting a bullet in your skull.

Fair. And if you took enough sondermedikation in Hitler's Germany you could have eaten your own eyeballs before your saw the Soviet tanks roll in to Berlin.
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Postby Oil exporting People » Fri Aug 10, 2018 8:25 pm

Bakery Hill wrote:
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Expanding one's mind in Stalin's realm generally occurs via a Commissar putting a bullet in your skull.

Fair. And if you took enough sondermedikation in Hitler's Germany you could have eaten your own eyeballs before your saw the Soviet tanks roll in to Berlin.


On an interesting note, it's probable the Americans used more meth products the Germans did.
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Postby Bakery Hill » Fri Aug 10, 2018 8:27 pm

Oil exporting People wrote:
Bakery Hill wrote:Fair. And if you took enough sondermedikation in Hitler's Germany you could have eaten your own eyeballs before your saw the Soviet tanks roll in to Berlin.


On an interesting note, it's probable the Americans used more meth products the Germans did.

This does not surprise me tbh
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Postby Sovaal » Fri Aug 10, 2018 8:29 pm

Oil exporting People wrote:
Bakery Hill wrote:Fair. And if you took enough sondermedikation in Hitler's Germany you could have eaten your own eyeballs before your saw the Soviet tanks roll in to Berlin.


On an interesting note, it's probable the Americans used more meth products the Germans did.

Iirc cocaine was still used for medical purposes at the time.
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Postby Oil exporting People » Fri Aug 10, 2018 8:33 pm

Sovaal wrote:
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On an interesting note, it's probable the Americans used more meth products the Germans did.

Iirc cocaine was still used for medical purposes at the time.


Cocaine was still used in various products as late as the 1970s, while the type of Meth both sides were using was ultimately distilled into what is today Adderall.
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Postby Ifreann » Fri Aug 10, 2018 8:47 pm

Kramanica wrote:Next up on socialist stupidity, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez claims Medicare for all will be cheaper because it will save on funeral expenses... or something.

She didn't claim that, though.

You should not lie.

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Postby The Lone Alliance » Fri Aug 10, 2018 11:13 pm

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Kramanica wrote:Next up on socialist stupidity, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez claims Medicare for all will be cheaper because it will save on funeral expenses... or something.

She didn't claim that, though.

You should not lie.

Actually she claimed her miracle healthcare plan will be so cheap that the government would also be able to pay for everyone's funeral... and that they should... while refusing to explain why it'd be so cheap.
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Postby Kramanica » Fri Aug 10, 2018 11:14 pm

Ifreann wrote:
Kramanica wrote:Next up on socialist stupidity, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez claims Medicare for all will be cheaper because it will save on funeral expenses... or something.

She didn't claim that, though.

You should not lie.

"Americans have the sticker shock of health care as it is,” said Ms. Ocasio-Cortez, who won her Democratic primary in New York. “And what we’re also not talking about is why aren’t we incorporating the cost of all the funeral expenses of those who die because they can’t afford access to health care? That is part of the cost of our system.“

You mean to tell me she didn't say the above quote?

Hmm....
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Postby Oil exporting People » Fri Aug 10, 2018 11:16 pm

The Lone Alliance wrote:
Ifreann wrote:She didn't claim that, though.

You should not lie.

Actually she claimed her miracle healthcare plan will be so cheap that the government would also be able to pay for everyone's funeral... and that they should... while refusing to explain why it'd be so cheap.


I've said it before and will say it again, basic math is the enemy of these sorts.
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Postby Kramanica » Fri Aug 10, 2018 11:19 pm

Oil exporting People wrote:
The Lone Alliance wrote:Actually she claimed her miracle healthcare plan will be so cheap that the government would also be able to pay for everyone's funeral... and that they should... while refusing to explain why it'd be so cheap.


I've said it before and will say it again, basic math is the enemy of these sorts.

She's like a slot machine for dumbass quotes.
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Postby Kramanica » Fri Aug 10, 2018 11:20 pm

Oil exporting People wrote:I like to think I've had a hand in bringing about the above opinions.

Somewhat.

But I always supported the Freikorps, though.
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Postby Oil exporting People » Fri Aug 10, 2018 11:39 pm

Kramanica wrote:
Oil exporting People wrote:
I've said it before and will say it again, basic math is the enemy of these sorts.

She's like a slot machine for dumbass quotes.


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Postby Kramanica » Fri Aug 10, 2018 11:41 pm

Oil exporting People wrote:
Kramanica wrote:She's like a slot machine for dumbass quotes.


The Socialist fears the calculator

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