Democratic Socialism in the U.S and How to Pay for It?

[Great Minarchistan]

Anecdotally, $14 a week is enough to keep yourself from starving to death in Brazil. Poorer countries have a higher bang for the buck, purchasing-power wise.

Poorer countries also have less money. $14 a week might be good in Brazil, but less Brazilians have that much income than Americans

Of course. A nominal increase on income decreases the PPP ratio but way below proportionality levels.

[Torrocca]

And the counterpoint is that you're wrong on the basis that half the world's stuck in poverty.

Single datapoints don't refute my statement.

Single datapoints, combined together into an argument of multiple datapoints provided by me, don't refute your statement, but a single datapoint provided by you refutes mine.

Tfw living off $14 a week isn’t considered poor.

Anecdotally, $14 a week is enough to keep yourself from starving to death in Brazil. Poorer countries have a higher bang for the buck, purchasing-power wise.

Wow, what a stellar way to live life. "You're not starving? Well, eat it up, champ! You're living the capitalist dream of opportunities now, baby!"

[Skarten]

Anecdotally, $14 a week is enough to keep yourself from starving to death in Brazil. Poorer countries have a higher bang for the buck, purchasing-power wise.

Poorer countries also have less money. $14 a week might be good in Brazil, but less Brazilians have that much income than Americans

I'm from Brazil here,and It aint that bad. We're like the best country in latin America

[West Leas Oros 2]

Poorer countries also have less money. $14 a week might be good in Brazil, but less Brazilians have that much income than Americans

I'm from Brazil here,and It aint that bad. We're like the best country in latin America

Not like you got that much competition. But Brazil is pretty cool. Always wanted to see it.

[Alvecia]

“Keep yourself from starving”
Such a high bar.

That's the definition of extreme poverty.

I was also unaware that the world consists of nothing but Brazil.

We're a taxed out 3rd world country still, so the figure is probably rosier on the other ones.

Interesting. When did poor become extreme poverty?
The two are decidedly different.

[Torrocca]

That's the definition of extreme poverty.



We're a taxed out 3rd world country still, so the figure is probably rosier on the other ones.

Interesting. When did poor become extreme poverty?

About when Capitalists needed straws to grasp at to defend the honor of their failure of an ideology and economic system.

[Uxupox]

Interesting. When did poor become extreme poverty?

About when Capitalists needed straws to grasp at to defend the honor of their failure of an ideology and economic system.

It can't really be a failure after it has been proven to be a true and tried method unlike the attempts of forming political/economical systems such as Communism which have failed several times and end up as something else entirely since it is seemed unsustainable on a long time basis.

[West Leas Oros 2]

About when Capitalists needed straws to grasp at to defend the honor of their failure of an ideology and economic system.

It can't really be a failure after it has been proven to be a true and tried method unlike the attempts of forming political/economical systems such as Communism which have failed several times and end up as something else entirely since it is seemed unsustainable on a long time basis.

But has capitalism been proven to be a successful system? How do we judge success?

[Uxupox]

It can't really be a failure after it has been proven to be a true and tried method unlike the attempts of forming political/economical systems such as Communism which have failed several times and end up as something else entirely since it is seemed unsustainable on a long time basis.

But has capitalism been proven to be a successful system? How do we judge success?

Well that is a good question tbh.

[Petrolheadia]

It can't really be a failure after it has been proven to be a true and tried method unlike the attempts of forming political/economical systems such as Communism which have failed several times and end up as something else entirely since it is seemed unsustainable on a long time basis.

But has capitalism been proven to be a successful system? How do we judge success?

Ability to lift countries like Singapore or Japan to great wealth? The nations with freest business statistically being the richest?

[Petrolheadia]

w/e, this wasn't even my original point (that is, capitalism does gradual improvement to living standards of the common people).

And the counterpoint is that you're wrong on the basis that half the world's stuck in poverty.

Comp-fucking-letely ignoring that poverty was and is falling.

[Torrocca]

And the counterpoint is that you're wrong on the basis that half the world's stuck in poverty.

Comp-fucking-letely ignoring that poverty was and is falling.

Completely ignoring the fact that there'd be no poverty at all if we got rid of capitalism for a better system :^)

[Firaxin]

Comp-fucking-letely ignoring that poverty was and is falling.

Completely ignoring the fact that there'd be no poverty at all if we got rid of capitalism for a better system :^)

At least, as we currently know poverty. Poverty could be very different under a different system.

[Torrocca]

Completely ignoring the fact that there'd be no poverty at all if we got rid of capitalism for a better system :^)

At least, as we currently know poverty. Poverty could be very different under a different system.

A system of mutual aid would pretty much eradicate poverty, given a little bit of time.

[Petrolheadia]

Comp-fucking-letely ignoring that poverty was and is falling.

Completely ignoring the fact that there'd be no poverty at all if we got rid of capitalism for a better system :^)

I don't care about people being poor, I care about the poor getting richer.

And in capitalism, they are (vide the dwindling share of people below $1/$2 a day).

[Soritarius]

You equating socialism and liberalism at any level is pretty good proof that your "modern parlance" is a mile high pile of garbage.

The fact you couldn't tell that I was saying those that claim to be Socialists are actually just Liberals who want a welfare state suggests the same for you reading posts.

You playing around with definitions just because the political equivalent of a money bag with a "coexist" sticker on it makes you angry isn't a viable refutation. We know what we support.

[Soritarius]

Completely ignoring the fact that there'd be no poverty at all if we got rid of capitalism for a better system :^)

I don't care about people being poor, I care about the poor getting richer.

And in capitalism, they are (vide the dwindling share of people below $1/$2 a day).

Ah yes, the poor getting richer, in country like the US, where worker wages have barely moved at all but hey, at least those CEO wages are sky high.

[Torrocca]

Completely ignoring the fact that there'd be no poverty at all if we got rid of capitalism for a better system :^)

I don't care about people being poor, I care about the poor getting richer.

Good luck getting everyone rich enough to not be impoverished in Capitalism then.

And in capitalism, they are (vide the dwindling share of people below $1/$2 a day).

Sounds like that data ignores inflation. :thonk:

[Petrolheadia]

I don't care about people being poor, I care about the poor getting richer.

Good luck getting everyone rich enough to not be impoverished in Capitalism then.

Here, have a fire exthunguisher for your pants.

And in capitalism, they are (vide the dwindling share of people below $1/$2 a day).

Sounds like that data ignores inflation.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/ ... te.svg.png
"Adjusted for price differences between countries and for price changes over time (inflation)".

[Torrocca]

*deleto*

[Petrolheadia]

I don't care about people being poor, I care about the poor getting richer.

And in capitalism, they are (vide the dwindling share of people below $1/$2 a day).

Ah yes, the poor getting richer, in country like the US, where worker wages have barely moved at all but hey, at least those CEO wages are sky high.

Wir leben nicht in Amerika.

[Torrocca]

Good luck getting everyone rich enough to not be impoverished in Capitalism then.

Here, have a fire exthunguisher for your pants.

Sounds like that data ignores inflation.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/ ... te.svg.png
"Adjusted for price differences between countries and for price changes over time (inflation)".

>Not understanding the fundamental difference between poverty and extreme poverty

Hence why I say half the world's in poverty.

[Petrolheadia]

Here, have a fire exthunguisher for your pants.


https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/ ... te.svg.png
"Adjusted for price differences between countries and for price changes over time (inflation)".

>Not understanding the fundamental difference between poverty and extreme poverty

Hence why I say half the world's in poverty.

You're right, but a right bullshitter. Nominal poverty is dwindling.

https://ourworldindata.org/wp-content/u ... to2000.png

*deleto*

If real life had a "delete" button...

[Soritarius]

Ah yes, the poor getting richer, in country like the US, where worker wages have barely moved at all but hey, at least those CEO wages are sky high.

Wir leben nicht in Amerika.

And yet, america is the literal capital of liberalism. A set of policies so popular and successful, we need to invade/overthrow countries to make sure they know it.

[Petrolheadia]

Wir leben nicht in Amerika.

And yet, america is the literal capital of liberalism. A set of policies so popular and successful, we need to invade/overthrow countries to make sure they know it.

Excuse you, but this is a place for statistics and truth, not leftist buzzwords.