Saudi Arabia VS Canada human rights activists

[Sahansahiye Iran]

Did I say al-Sadr? I'm more referring to the 95 ulama executed in '84. In addition to his particularly harsh treatment of the Madan in '91. There's also more demonstration of this in the fact of the Umm al-Qura mosque, a Sunni mosque that Saddam spent $7.5 million to build in '98.

And yes. Because you have one passage saying they weren't token and using the fact that one held a particularly "powerful" position, everything else I have said is discredited. I'm sorry. You obviously win, UMN.

Saddam spent government money to build Christian places of worship as well. The Madan were treated too harshly imo, but that's war for you.

The Revolutionary Command Council wasn't token at all, it was the highest governing body established to advise Saddam on all matters.

Yes. I'm sure he did. But how exactly does that counter the point again of a minority running shit that you just criticized with the Houthis?

They advised. Advised. Fact of the matter is that it's 2 most powerful members, Saddam and al-Douri, were fervent and fierce Sunnis with al-Douri in particular being fiercely anti-Shia. Still to this day as he leads a Sunni insurgent group against Coalition and Iraqi government forces.

[Kubumba Tribe]

Maybe not in foreign countries, but they're supporting those who are. And they're doing bad stuff inside Iran.

Supporting those who are?

Who are "those"?

Iran supports the Houthis, Assad, and Hizbullah for example.

screw theocracies YO

No

Congrats to every jackbutt defending the arms deals.

who needs enemies with friends like these
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/saudi-arabian-group-apologizes-for-posting-image-appearing-to-threaten-canada-with-9-11-style-attack-1.4775509

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[United Muscovite Nations]

Saddam spent government money to build Christian places of worship as well. The Madan were treated too harshly imo, but that's war for you.

The Revolutionary Command Council wasn't token at all, it was the highest governing body established to advise Saddam on all matters.

Yes. I'm sure he did. But how exactly does that counter the point again of a minority running shit that you just criticized with the Houthis?

They advised. Advised. Fact of the matter is that it's 2 most powerful members, Saddam and al-Douri, were fervent and fierce Sunnis with al-Douri in particular being fiercely anti-Shia. Still to this day as he leads a Sunni insurgent group against Coalition and Iraqi government forces.

Al Douri isn't and sectarian as you make him out to be, and even recently, he has condemned sections of the Sunni population for wanting to break away from the Shia part of Iraq, calling them sectarians.

[Sahansahiye Iran]

Yes. I'm sure he did. But how exactly does that counter the point again of a minority running shit that you just criticized with the Houthis?

They advised. Advised. Fact of the matter is that it's 2 most powerful members, Saddam and al-Douri, were fervent and fierce Sunnis with al-Douri in particular being fiercely anti-Shia. Still to this day as he leads a Sunni insurgent group against Coalition and Iraqi government forces.

Al Douri isn't and sectarian as you make him out to be, and even recently, he has condemned sections of the Sunni population for wanting to break away from the Shia part of Iraq, calling them sectarians.

al-Douri's group is literally named after their sect. But no. Not sectarian at all.

[United Muscovite Nations]

Al Douri isn't and sectarian as you make him out to be, and even recently, he has condemned sections of the Sunni population for wanting to break away from the Shia part of Iraq, calling them sectarians.

al-Douri's group is literally named after their sect. But no. Not sectarian at all.

It's a Sufi order that is known for its extreme moderateness.

[Sahansahiye Iran]

al-Douri's group is literally named after their sect. But no. Not sectarian at all.

It's a Sufi order that is known for its extreme moderateness.

Lmfao what are you talking about? The JRTN works with Daesh all the time with important parts even pledging allegiance to the "Caliphate".

[-United Republic of Freedonia]

screw theocracies YO

No

yes
it doesn't matter the kind of religion, still gets the club.

[Kubumba Tribe]

No

yes
it doesn't matter the kind of religion, still gets the club.

No

[United Muscovite Nations]

It's a Sufi order that is known for its extreme moderateness.

Lmfao what are you talking about? The JRTN works with Daesh all the time with important parts even pledging allegiance to the "Caliphate".

They tried to overthrow ISIS in Mosul, and only allied with them to try to get access to important parts of infrastructure, they failed, and now Al Douri has pledged his support to the Saudi coalition and has even been involved in negotiations with the current Iraqi government to be repatriated.

The Nashqbandi Order is pretty damn moderate, and one of their Sheikhs is pretty renowned for his pro-Western viewpoitns.

[Salus Maior]

Hold the line Canada. The free world is with you. We are coming.

Who's we?

And if "The Free World" hasn't done anything to the Sauds already, being the corrupt, brutalist, puritan, radicalism endorsing state they are, they're not going to do anything about them being mean to Canucks.

[Xadufell]

Supporting those who are?

Who are "those"?

Iran supports the Houthis, Assad, and Hizbullah for example.

screw theocracies YO

No

Congrats to every jackbutt defending the arms deals.

who needs enemies with friends like these
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/saudi-arabian-group-apologizes-for-posting-image-appearing-to-threaten-canada-with-9-11-style-attack-1.4775509

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Are you seriously saying "no" to someone saying theocracies are bad? I mean, really? Look in history, theocracies have been horrible places 99.999% of the time. Spare me your sanctimonious shock that the Saudis would threaten a terror attack. A nation that is subtly hostile to Western values and poses a large threat to the rest of the Middle East should be spared no mercy in diplomacy.

Edit: shiet, I said Iran.

[Crockerland]

Canada shouldn't be trading with Saudi Arabia in the first place, the latter puts gay people, apostates, and atheists to death, promotes holocaust denial & antisemitism, and finances global terror, no civilized nation should trade with such an exceptionally backwards state.

[US-SSR]

I've never thought I say that but Saudis finally did the right thing. Ambassador of any country doesn't have the right to speak like that even if he/she is right.

^This. If a country wants to so strongly condemn a government's action, they shouldn't cry foul when that country responds as if it's been declared an adversary.

Let's get a couple things clear about international diplomacy. The jailed Saudi activists have family connections in Canada, so Canada is perfectly within its rights to object to their detention; as is any other nation where women's rights are important. As has been pointed out, the Saudis are perfectly within their rights to respond; but expelling Ambassadors and degrading normal diplomatic relations over what amounts to a disagreement about how Saudis treat their own citizens is over the top to say the least. Also, if the Saudis think their actions will affect how Canada defends its own interests or those of Canadian citizens in the future I'm afraid they will soon find out their mistake.

Whatever their culture, politics, religion -- whatever their whatever -- nations, not unlike individuals, are judged in the international area on how they behave, react to criticism and resolve differences. So far the Canadians are coming off quite a bit better than the Saudis.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Canada shouldn't be trading with Saudi Arabia in the first place, the latter puts gay people, apostates, and atheists to death, promotes holocaust denial & antisemitism, and finances global terror, no civilized nation should trade with such an exceptionally backwards state.

Holocaust denial is changing for the better there:
https://www.washingtoninstitute.org/pol ... all-places
https://www.newsweek.com/saudi-arabia-m ... rst-792427

[Frievolk]

Genocide in Yemen isnt particularly nice.

The Iranians arent the ones committing horrendous abuses.

Maybe not in foreign countries, but they're supporting those who are. And they're doing bad stuff inside Iran.

They are committing atrocities in their own country as well lmao. Did everyone forget the near apartheid level of discrimination the Dervishs, Baha'is and the Jews face? (there's a lot more, but I am not about to get into it right now)

[Frievolk]

Canada shouldn't be trading with Saudi Arabia in the first place, the latter puts gay people, apostates, and atheists to death, promotes holocaust denial & antisemitism, and finances global terror, no civilized nation should trade with such an exceptionally backwards state.

Buddy, they have oil. And why care about pesky things like "human" "rights" when you can get cheap oil?
/s

[Frievolk]

Canada causing a diplomatic crisis by calling out social injustice in a middle eastern absolute monarchy was something I did not see coming lmao. Hopefully the rest of The West won't discard human rights for cheap oil... again.

To be fair, we don't want a crisis with the Saudis either.
You know...Mecca.

My personal opinion is that in case of war with Saudi Arabia, the first site that needs to be bombed is Mecca and Medina.

[Dooom35796821595]

Canada shouldn't be trading with Saudi Arabia in the first place, the latter puts gay people, apostates, and atheists to death, promotes holocaust denial & antisemitism, and finances global terror, no civilized nation should trade with such an exceptionally backwards state.

Buddy, they have oil. And why care about pesky things like "human" "rights" when you can get cheap oil?
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Cheap? The Saudis are the ones who constantly try to increase the price of oil, and only drop it to try and kill of alternatives to oil.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Maybe not in foreign countries, but they're supporting those who are. And they're doing bad stuff inside Iran.

They are committing atrocities in their own country as well lmao. Did everyone forget the near apartheid level of discrimination the Dervishs, Baha'is and the Jews face? (there's a lot more, but I am not about to get into it right now)

Read the 2nd sentence.

[Valentine Z]

For a country that has severe human rights violations, they sure does make a lot of noise.

Granted, they have been trying to improve over time, like letting women drive, but hey, how about no human rights violations?

2016, a Saudi man was sentenced to 2,000 lashes, ten years in prison and the fine of 20,000 riyals ($5,300) for making tweets critical of Islam, and denying the existence of God.

That explains a lot.

[Thanatttynia]

I'm all for an ethical foreign policy in which good relations and trade are dependent on all parties respecting human rights, but that's unfortunately not the world we live in, and I doubt the Canadian government would call for China, with whom they have a much higher level of trade, to release any of its detained activists if there was a possibility of something like this happening. That being said, the less countries scared of pissing off autocratic regimes like Saudi Arabia the better.

[Britain-Nationalist]

Supporting those who are?

Who are "those"?

Iran supports the Houthis, Assad, and Hizbullah for example.

None of which are bad at all.

[Thanatttynia]

Iran supports the Houthis, Assad, and Hizbullah for example.

None of which are bad at all.

> Assad
> none of which are bad at all

[Frievolk]

Iran supports the Houthis, Assad, and Hizbullah for example.

None of which are bad at all.

>Houthis
>Hezbollah
>Assad
these three are the textbook definitions of bad tho.

[Britain-Nationalist]

None of which are bad at all.

>Houthis
>Hezbollah
>Assad
these three are the textbook definitions of bad tho.

How...?

Because they stand against the West and its aims, let me guess?