Saudi Arabia VS Canada human rights activists

[Iridencia]

Saudi Arabia is the nation equivalent of a rich bully who gets away with torturing everyone around them because no one wants to stop their parents from donating to the school board or getting invited to their lavish parties. Somebody needs to take the first steps in ending the shitty cycle.

[Sahansahiye Iran]

Yee. That's what I thought.

Yeah, on the wiki page, it says 25,000 reserves, and 250,000 total right under it. I just switched the lines without noticing it. I apologize for any confusion.

No problem. Also, I wonder how actually effective the National Guard would be as a fighting force. I don't imagine much.

[United Muscovite Nations]

Yeah, on the wiki page, it says 25,000 reserves, and 250,000 total right under it. I just switched the lines without noticing it. I apologize for any confusion.

No problem. Also, I wonder how actually effective the National Guard would be as a fighting force. I don't imagine much.

During the Gulf War, they made pretty good account of themselves in the urban fighting with Saddam's army, but they were also supported by US artillery and aircraft in that battle, as well as some support from a Marine infantry division.

[Sahansahiye Iran]

No problem. Also, I wonder how actually effective the National Guard would be as a fighting force. I don't imagine much.

During the Gulf War, they made pretty good account of themselves in the urban fighting with Saddam's army, but they were also supported by US artillery and aircraft in that battle, as well as some support from a Marine infantry division.

That's exactly what I was thinking. I was just reading about Khafji and wondering how effective they would have been without the US-built and -manned observation posts, armor, air support, and ground troops. I mean, the Saudis only deployed 1 brigade to the battle. Compared to thousands of American troops.

[North Arkana]

During the Gulf War, they made pretty good account of themselves in the urban fighting with Saddam's army, but they were also supported by US artillery and aircraft in that battle, as well as some support from a Marine infantry division.

That's exactly what I was thinking. I was just reading about Khafji and wondering how effective they would have been without the US-built and -manned observation posts, armor, air support, and ground troops. I mean, the Saudis only deployed 1 brigade to the battle. Compared to thousands of American troops.

A brigade is nominally something like 5000 men in total, actual combat personnel numbers vary, but aren't any more than half the total in many cases.

[Sahansahiye Iran]

That's exactly what I was thinking. I was just reading about Khafji and wondering how effective they would have been without the US-built and -manned observation posts, armor, air support, and ground troops. I mean, the Saudis only deployed 1 brigade to the battle. Compared to thousands of American troops.

A brigade is nominally something like 5000 men in total, actual combat personnel numbers vary, but aren't any more than half the total in many cases.

I know how big a brigade is. Thank you.

[North Arkana]

A brigade is nominally something like 5000 men in total, actual combat personnel numbers vary, but aren't any more than half the total in many cases.

I know how big a brigade is. Thank you.

When you contrast a brigade with "thousands of American troops" that doesn't do much to differentiate the two size-wise.

[Sahansahiye Iran]

I know how big a brigade is. Thank you.

When you contrast a brigade with "thousands of American troops" that doesn't do much to differentiate the two size-wise.

Many thousands. Sorry. Didn't know how pedantic we were going to be today. My Engrish no is so good.

There were elements from 3 American divisions and an entire American armored brigades and several battalions of Marines and special forces there. That's what I meant. Better?

[Shofercia]

We are absolutely terrible

Gotta love that sweet (and syrupy) punning. :^)

We blew through those puns like the Maple Leafs

[Torrocca]

Gotta love that sweet (and syrupy) punning. :^)

We blew through those puns like the Maple Leafs

Blew through it so fast, winter came early for Canada.

[Shofercia]

We blew through those puns like the Maple Leafs

Blew through it so fast, winter came early for Canada.

Perhaps we should've been Stalin' and not Rushin'

[Khataiy]

ridiculous Canada should mind its business

[Khataiy]

The Saudis are so hilariously bad in the things that mean the difference between victory and defeat (initiative, training, dissemination of knowledge, etc) that an open war would result in a collapse of complex command structures. The technical skill to maintain their up-to-date systems just aren't there, and they'd have to begin fighting the only effective way Arab militaries have shown themselves to capable of fighting, in an asymmetric manner, but that'd also mean they surrender any hold on strategic locations.

Canada would fail miserably at invading Saudi Arabia and the population would wage a difficult guerilla war like in Iraq

[Torrocca]

Blew through it so fast, winter came early for Canada.

Perhaps we should've been Stalin' and not Rushin'

Now now, let's not Putin Russian puns into the Poutine :c

[North Arkana]

The Saudis are so hilariously bad in the things that mean the difference between victory and defeat (initiative, training, dissemination of knowledge, etc) that an open war would result in a collapse of complex command structures. The technical skill to maintain their up-to-date systems just aren't there, and they'd have to begin fighting the only effective way Arab militaries have shown themselves to capable of fighting, in an asymmetric manner, but that'd also mean they surrender any hold on strategic locations.

Canada would fail miserably at invading Saudi Arabia and the population would wage a difficult guerilla war like in Iraq

Try reading people's posts before you say something they already said instead of knee jerking.

[Militant Costco]

I like how this thread went from "Gosh those Arabs need to improve their human rights and show compassion" and "Those dirty canucks should mind their own business" to a full-blown Canadian invasion of Saudi Arabia.

[Torrocca]

I like how this thread went from "Gosh those Arabs need to improve their human rights and show compassion" and "Those dirty canucks should mind their own business" to a full-blown Canadian invasion of Saudi Arabia.

In standard Canadian tradition: Sorry, eh.

[Shofercia]

Perhaps we should've been Stalin' and not Rushin'

Now now, let's not Putin Russian puns into the Poutine :c

Why wouldn't you want a pun in the oven?

[Shofercia]

I like how this thread went from "Gosh those Arabs need to improve their human rights and show compassion" and "Those dirty canucks should mind their own business" to a full-blown Canadian invasion of Saudi Arabia.

This is what happens when NSG stays on topic. Can you imagine what happens when NSG goes off topic?

[Nocturnalis]

Glad to see these countries have nothing better to do with their time, I guess.

To the more interesting topic: I have no confidence in the capabilities of my country's military to invade anything, let alone a desert kingdom 10,000+ km away.

[Chan Island]

Go Canada!

I like how this thread went from "Gosh those Arabs need to improve their human rights and show compassion" and "Those dirty canucks should mind their own business" to a full-blown Canadian invasion of Saudi Arabia.

Which does bring up an interesting question- who would the US side with in this case? Because if with Canada, that would probably lose the US all of its alliances in the third world, but siding with Saudi would kill off both its credibility with the first world and as a defender of democracy?

[Khataiy]

Go Canada!

I like how this thread went from "Gosh those Arabs need to improve their human rights and show compassion" and "Those dirty canucks should mind their own business" to a full-blown Canadian invasion of Saudi Arabia.

Which does bring up an interesting question- who would the US side with in this case? Because if with Canada, that would probably lose the US all of its alliances in the third world, but siding with Saudi would kill off both its credibility with the first world and as a defender of democracy?

Saudi Arabia would be the only logical option

[Frievolk]

Go Canada!



Which does bring up an interesting question- who would the US side with in this case? Because if with Canada, that would probably lose the US all of its alliances in the third world, but siding with Saudi would kill off both its credibility with the first world and as a defender of democracy?

Saudi Arabia would be the only logical option

Not really. The 'logical' option would be doing what the British always did. Destroy the Arabs, put a different regime in charge, and get the oil wells 'leased' to you indefinitely. The smart option would be siding with Canada and doing that to all of the Middle East. The option America, at least under Trump, would most likely choose would be invading Canada. Because Trump is that dumb

[Khataiy]

Saudi Arabia would be the only logical option

Not really. The 'logical' option would be doing what the British always did. Destroy the Arabs, put a different regime in charge, and get the oil wells 'leased' to you indefinitely. The smart option would be siding with Canada and doing that to all of the Middle East. The option America, at least under Trump, would most likely choose would be invading Canada. Because Trump is that dumb

No Trump would support the Saudis, he's on better terms with them than Canada and not to mention the fact Saudi Arabia is a major partner in the region.

[Frievolk]

Not really. The 'logical' option would be doing what the British always did. Destroy the Arabs, put a different regime in charge, and get the oil wells 'leased' to you indefinitely. The smart option would be siding with Canada and doing that to all of the Middle East. The option America, at least under Trump, would most likely choose would be invading Canada. Because Trump is that dumb

No Trump would support the Saudis, he's on better terms with them than Canada and not to mention the fact Saudi Arabia is a major partner in the region.

that's why I said "Trump would invade Canada" because he is exactly dumb enough to believe that "a major partner in the region" means shit in international diplomacy. Canada is much more important to The United States as a world power than Arabia would ever be. Because Canada is part of the "important" part of the world, and in truth, the part of the world that America can not afford to lose the support of, i.e. The Western World (or, more appropriately, Northern America and Western Europe)