Saudi Arabia VS Canada human rights activists

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

It’s not trying to undermine the government, it’s asking them to stop acting like dicks.

They weren't "acting like dicks", they were taking a policy decision to stop certain forms of activism.

Oh, so they weren't acting like dicks, they were acting like authoritarian dicks. Thanks for the clarification.

[Telconi]

That many fewer leaves in Arabia I guess.

[Uxupox]

It's diplomacy to try to undermine the government of a country?

It’s not trying to undermine the government, it’s asking them to stop acting like dicks.

In a pragmatic view of the Saudi Arabian phenomenon and tenets as according to their own specific ideology it is virtually asking them change their political stances and laws in which one could very well state that it is in fact undermining their governmental authority.

[US-SSR]

I'm all for an ethical foreign policy in which good relations and trade are dependent on all parties respecting human rights, but that's unfortunately not the world we live in, and I doubt the Canadian government would call for China, with whom they have a much higher level of trade, to release any of its detained activists if there was a possibility of something like this happening. That being said, the less countries scared of pissing off autocratic regimes like Saudi Arabia the better.

DHARAMSHALA, MAY 24: The Canadian government has called on the Chinese leadership to immediately and unconditionally release Tibetan language rights activist Tashi Wangchuk, who was sentenced to five years in prison on May 22, 2018.

The Canadian Embassy in Beijing tweeted, “Mr Tashi Wangchuk, a Tibetan language advocate, was detained in January 2016 for peacefully raising concern about the lack of Tibetan-language education in Yushu County, and sentenced on May 22 2018 to five years in prison for inciting separatism. Canada calls on the Government of China to release Tashi Wangchuk immediately and unconditionally. Canada urges the Chinese government to uphold its own Constitution and laws, and to respect its international human rights obligations. Canada supports the February 2018 United Nations Special Rapporteurs statement, which condemns the detention of Mr Tashi Wangchuk as the criminalisation of linguistic and cultural rights advocacy,”

http://www.phayul.com/news/article.aspx?id=40466

[Shofercia]

Near suicidal? If they went through with it, they'd have NATO liberating their ass, and the rest of the World going "why, KSA, why?" It'd be 100% suicidal. Unlike kicking out the ambassador, that image was completely inappropriate, and I agree with Herp. If that's near suicidal, what does it take to be totally suicidal?

I'm not sure but I do wonder, if this did happen, would America like to make the south part of Saudi Arabia the 51st state and we will take the north as the 11th province?

Probably, but I can assure you that the odds of that happening are below 0.00001%. Way below. Saudis may be oppressive, but you don't stay in power in the Middle East for that long if you're dumb, and carrying that out would be extremely dumb.

[The Alma Mater]

Near suicidal? If they went through with it, they'd have NATO liberating their ass, and the rest of the World going "why, KSA, why?" It'd be 100% suicidal. Unlike kicking out the ambassador, that image was completely inappropriate, and I agree with Herp. If that's near suicidal, what does it take to be totally suicidal?

I'm not sure but I do wonder, if this did happen, would America like to make the south part of Saudi Arabia the 51st state and we will take the north as the 11th province?

And then sell Mecca to Disney ?

[Thanatttynia]

I'm all for an ethical foreign policy in which good relations and trade are dependent on all parties respecting human rights, but that's unfortunately not the world we live in, and I doubt the Canadian government would call for China, with whom they have a much higher level of trade, to release any of its detained activists if there was a possibility of something like this happening. That being said, the less countries scared of pissing off autocratic regimes like Saudi Arabia the better.

DHARAMSHALA, MAY 24: The Canadian government has called on the Chinese leadership to immediately and unconditionally release Tibetan language rights activist Tashi Wangchuk, who was sentenced to five years in prison on May 22, 2018.

The Canadian Embassy in Beijing tweeted, “Mr Tashi Wangchuk, a Tibetan language advocate, was detained in January 2016 for peacefully raising concern about the lack of Tibetan-language education in Yushu County, and sentenced on May 22 2018 to five years in prison for inciting separatism. Canada calls on the Government of China to release Tashi Wangchuk immediately and unconditionally. Canada urges the Chinese government to uphold its own Constitution and laws, and to respect its international human rights obligations. Canada supports the February 2018 United Nations Special Rapporteurs statement, which condemns the detention of Mr Tashi Wangchuk as the criminalisation of linguistic and cultural rights advocacy,”

http://www.phayul.com/news/article.aspx?id=40466

And did China freeze trade with Canada after that? Were there any ramifications in either country after this? If the answer to both these things is no, that was a pretty meaningless tweet, par for the course for western liberal democracies dealing with repressive regimes whilst trying to keep up the facade that they care about human rights.

[Ism]

DHARAMSHALA, MAY 24: The Canadian government has called on the Chinese leadership to immediately and unconditionally release Tibetan language rights activist Tashi Wangchuk, who was sentenced to five years in prison on May 22, 2018.

The Canadian Embassy in Beijing tweeted, “Mr Tashi Wangchuk, a Tibetan language advocate, was detained in January 2016 for peacefully raising concern about the lack of Tibetan-language education in Yushu County, and sentenced on May 22 2018 to five years in prison for inciting separatism. Canada calls on the Government of China to release Tashi Wangchuk immediately and unconditionally. Canada urges the Chinese government to uphold its own Constitution and laws, and to respect its international human rights obligations. Canada supports the February 2018 United Nations Special Rapporteurs statement, which condemns the detention of Mr Tashi Wangchuk as the criminalisation of linguistic and cultural rights advocacy,”

http://www.phayul.com/news/article.aspx?id=40466

And did China freeze trade with Canada after that? Were there any ramifications in either country after this? If the answer to both these things is no, that was a pretty meaningless tweet, par for the course for western liberal democracies dealing with repressive regimes whilst trying to keep up the facade that they care about human rights.

Maybe, but that doesn't change the fact that you're moving the goalposts.

[Thanatttynia]

And did China freeze trade with Canada after that? Were there any ramifications in either country after this? If the answer to both these things is no, that was a pretty meaningless tweet, par for the course for western liberal democracies dealing with repressive regimes whilst trying to keep up the facade that they care about human rights.

Maybe, but that doesn't change the fact that you're moving the goalposts.

What goalposts? I said that I doubted Canada would do this to a nation like China if there was a possibility of something like this happening. I don't see how Canada doing this to China and then something like this not happening disproves that. I'm sure that if there was a possibility Beijing would have froze trade with Canada after this, the Canadian government wouldn't have directed its embassy to call for the release of Wangchuk.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

I'm not sure but I do wonder, if this did happen, would America like to make the south part of Saudi Arabia the 51st state and we will take the north as the 11th province?

And then sell Mecca to Disney ?

Mecca Disneyland.

I'm not sure but I do wonder, if this did happen, would America like to make the south part of Saudi Arabia the 51st state and we will take the north as the 11th province?

Probably, but I can assure you that the odds of that happening are below 0.00001%. Way below. Saudis may be oppressive, but you don't stay in power in the Middle East for that long if you're dumb, and carrying that out would be extremely dumb.

Yeah,good point.

[Ism]

Maybe, but that doesn't change the fact that you're moving the goalposts.

What goalposts? I said that I doubted Canada would do this to a nation like China if there was a possibility of something like this happening. I don't see how Canada doing this to China and then something like this not happening disproves that. I'm sure that if there was a possibility Beijing would have froze trade with Canada after this, the Canadian government wouldn't have directed its embassy to call for the release of Wangchuk.

You initially said you doubted Canada would do something that risks impacting trade with China, and moved the goalposts when that criteria was met.

[Thanatttynia]

What goalposts? I said that I doubted Canada would do this to a nation like China if there was a possibility of something like this happening. I don't see how Canada doing this to China and then something like this not happening disproves that. I'm sure that if there was a possibility Beijing would have froze trade with Canada after this, the Canadian government wouldn't have directed its embassy to call for the release of Wangchuk.

You initially said you doubted Canada would do something that risks impacting trade with China, and moved the goalposts when that criteria was met.

? I used literally the same phrasing

I'm all for an ethical foreign policy in which good relations and trade are dependent on all parties respecting human rights, but that's unfortunately not the world we live in, and I doubt the Canadian government would call for China, with whom they have a much higher level of trade, to release any of its detained activists if there was a possibility of something like this happening. That being said, the less countries scared of pissing off autocratic regimes like Saudi Arabia the better.

[Empire of Narnia]

Prince Salman would do a far better job running Canada than Justin. Justin Trudeau should personally apologize to the Saudi people and government and then do the right thing for once and resign.

[Frievolk]

Prince Salman would do a far better job running Canada than Justin. Justin Trudeau should personally apologize to the Saudi people and government and then do the right thing for once and resign.

... What.

[Agarntrop]

Not familiar with any heart eating honestly but I'll grant that the FSA is at best grey.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-22519770

A video which appears to show a Syrian rebel taking a bite from the heart of a dead soldier has been widely condemned. US-based Human Rights Watch identified the rebel as Abu Sakkar, a well-known insurgent from the city of Homs, and said his actions were a war crime. The main Syrian opposition coalition said he would be put on trial. The video, which cannot be independently authenticated, seems to show him cutting out the heart.

"I swear to God we will eat your hearts and your livers, you soldiers of Bashar the dog," the man says, referring to President Bashar al-Assad as he stands over the soldier's corpse. Abu Sakkar has appeared in videos firing rockets at Shia villages in Lebanon in April 2013 and posing with bodies of Hezbollah fighters
HRW said the attacks on the Shia villages appeared to be indiscriminate and a war crime. Human Rights Watch (HRW) says Abu Sakkar is the leader of a group called the Independent Omar al-Farouq Brigade, an offshoot of the Free Syrian Army (FSA) Al-Farouq Brigades.

He was not put on trial, (shocker,) but was killed in combat. As for who killed him - that depends on who you listen to, and what sources you read, but most confirmed that he's dead, and won't be chomping on any more hearts. Someone should've told him that winning hearts and minds wasn't meant to be taken literally, and it wasn't about dinner.

Maybe but that was just one incident.

But...
The Assad regime has-
Dropped chemical weapons on civilians in December 2012, March 2013 (twice), April 2013, August 2013, April 2014, August 2016, September 2016, December 2016, April 2017, February 2018 and April 2018.
Source- https://www.armscontrol.org/factsheets/ ... s-Activity

Committed several genocides of the Kurdish population in the past.

And puts prisoners in dehumanizing, medival-like torture chambers.

Which is worse, 1 war crime by the FSA or thousands by Assad?

[Agarntrop]

Prince Salman would do a far better job running Canada than Justin. Justin Trudeau should personally apologize to the Saudi people and government and then do the right thing for once and resign.

Lol I'm adding you to my foes list so I don't have to see stupid posts like that.

This makes more sense..
Justin Trudeu would do a far better job running Saudi Arabia than King Salman. King Salman should personally apologize to the Canadian people and government and then do the right thing for once and abdicate.

[Empire of Narnia]

Prince Salman would do a far better job running Canada than Justin. Justin Trudeau should personally apologize to the Saudi people and government and then do the right thing for once and resign.

Lol I'm adding you to my foes list so I don't have to see stupid posts like that.

This makes more sense..
Justin Trudeu would do a far better job running Saudi Arabia than King Salman. King Salman should personally apologize to the Canadian people and government and then do the right thing for once and abdicate.

You just can't handle the truth so you shut out opinions that scare you. Saudi Arabia is a beautiful country that you could learn a lot from.

[Dogmeat]

Lol I'm adding you to my foes list so I don't have to see stupid posts like that.

This makes more sense..
Justin Trudeu would do a far better job running Saudi Arabia than King Salman. King Salman should personally apologize to the Canadian people and government and then do the right thing for once and abdicate.

You just can't handle the truth so you shut out opinions that scare you. Saudi Arabia is a beautiful country that you could learn a lot from.

Yeah, but you also thought Star Fox was real.

[Frievolk]

Lol I'm adding you to my foes list so I don't have to see stupid posts like that.

This makes more sense..
Justin Trudeu would do a far better job running Saudi Arabia than King Salman. King Salman should personally apologize to the Canadian people and government and then do the right thing for once and abdicate.

You just can't handle the truth so you shut out opinions that scare you. Saudi Arabia is a beautiful country that you could learn a lot from.

I'm honestly hoping this is a crack account rather than a serious one. I don't put much hope in it, given this is NSG Summer we're talking about, but one can always hope.

[Empire of Narnia]

You just can't handle the truth so you shut out opinions that scare you. Saudi Arabia is a beautiful country that you could learn a lot from.

I'm honestly hoping this is a crack account rather than a serious one. I don't put much hope in it, given this is NSG Summer we're talking about, but one can always hope.

I've been here far longer than you have.

[Frievolk]

I'm honestly hoping this is a crack account rather than a serious one. I don't put much hope in it, given this is NSG Summer we're talking about, but one can always hope.

I've been here far longer than you have.

I'm not saying you just joined. I'm saying your posts and general form of opinion is something mostly seen in the NSG Summer (exceptions applied, ofc)
And no. This puppet isn't my first account lmao

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

Prince Salman would do a far better job running Canada than Justin. Justin Trudeau should personally apologize to the Saudi people and government and then do the right thing for once and resign.

... What.

Narnia is...Narnia.

I don't agree with Narnia but Narnia is probably cool IRL.

Narnia is serious but has some...very disagreeable opinions.

Prince Salman would do a far better job running Canada than Justin. Justin Trudeau should personally apologize to the Saudi people and government and then do the right thing for once and resign.

Anyone who kills gay people for being gay has no right running Canada.

Prince Salman should be thankful that we don't storm his country and turn it into the 11th province.

[United Muscovite Nations]

... What.

Narnia is...Narnia.

I don't agree with Narnia but Narnia is probably cool IRL.

Narnia is serious but has some...very disagreeable opinions.

Prince Salman would do a far better job running Canada than Justin. Justin Trudeau should personally apologize to the Saudi people and government and then do the right thing for once and resign.

Anyone who kills gay people for being gay has no right running Canada.

Prince Salman should be thankful that we don't storm his country and turn it into the 11th province.

Canada couldn't conquer Saudi Arabia if it wanted to.

[Agarntrop]

Lol I'm adding you to my foes list so I don't have to see stupid posts like that.

This makes more sense..
Justin Trudeu would do a far better job running Saudi Arabia than King Salman. King Salman should personally apologize to the Canadian people and government and then do the right thing for once and abdicate.

You just can't handle the truth so you shut out opinions that scare you. Saudi Arabia is a beautiful country that you could learn a lot from.

Okay so,

HOW MANY GAY HEADS HAVE YOU CHOPPED OFF TODAY?

[Shofercia]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-22519770



He was not put on trial, (shocker,) but was killed in combat. As for who killed him - that depends on who you listen to, and what sources you read, but most confirmed that he's dead, and won't be chomping on any more hearts. Someone should've told him that winning hearts and minds wasn't meant to be taken literally, and it wasn't about dinner.

Maybe but that was just one incident.

But...
The Assad regime has-
Dropped chemical weapons on civilians in December 2012, March 2013 (twice), April 2013, August 2013, April 2014, August 2016, September 2016, December 2016, April 2017, February 2018 and April 2018.
Source- https://www.armscontrol.org/factsheets/ ... s-Activity

Committed several genocides of the Kurdish population in the past.

And puts prisoners in dehumanizing, medival-like torture chambers.

Which is worse, 1 war crime by the FSA or thousands by Assad?

You have to compare it on a control related basis. If one group controls a village of 10,000 and wipes out half of it, whereas another group bombs a country of 100 million and kills 10,000, the first group's act is still more atrocious. Comparing Assad's atrocities, during a Civil War, where Assad controls a good chunk of the country, to FSA/ISIS who take photos outside of their headquarters, isn't quite the same.

I think that if FSA had control equivalent to Assad, their actions would've been much more atrocious. Claiming that it was just one incident is the equivalent of bringing a style of lolcowdom arguments into a debate: https://www.huffingtonpost.com/daniel-w ... 80399.html

Indeed, there is an ugly side to the FSA that much of the Western media and its governmental supporters appear to be willfully neglecting. They are in essence turning a blind eye to many of the human rights violations and actions contrary to their own beliefs that the FSA is committing in order to support the ouster of Assad... In fact, of the approximately 23 million citizens in Syria, around eight million are minorities such as Christians, Druze, Alawites and Kurds, who are represented solely by the government. At least a third of the Syrian people support President Assad by default. Many others support him by virtue of alliances with his support base...

the FSA has been acting more like a force opposed to the citizens of Syria than a force intended to secure their freedom. For example, it has in the recent past stolen wheat reserves intended for the residents of Aleppo and sold it to private Turkish grain traders, expropriated stocks of pharmaceuticals and forcibly resold them back to its owners, and ransacked schools. These are hardly the actions of a ‘liberation force.’ In the outskirts of Aleppo, the FSA has implemented a Sharia law enforcement police force that is a replica of the Wahhabi police in Saudi Arabia — forcing ordinary citizens to abide by the Sharia code. This is being done in a secular country which has never known Sharia Law.

Lebanese newspapers such as Al-Akhbar and Assafir have broadcast a disturbing video of a 12-year-old child apparently forced by the FSA to cut off the head of a Syrian military officer. If such atrocities were more widely reported in the West, it seems unlikely that the FSA would enjoy such wide spread support. So, whether by intention or design, the Western media is also tacitly supporting FSA atrocities.

https://www.salon.com/2016/07/11/u_s_ba ... aw_report/

Syrian rebel groups backed by the U.S. and its allies "have committed serious violations of international humanitarian law, including abductions, torture and summary killings," according to Amnesty International. A report by the leading human rights organization details how extremist rebel groups have taken over large parts of major Syrian cities, in which they have created repressive theocratic regimes where critics are violently silenced and where religious and ethnic minority groups fear for their lives... U.S.-backed Syrian rebels committing war crimes, torture, abductions; imposing harsh Sharia law...

https://www.dw.com/en/concerns-grow-abo ... a-19277777

With a truce between the army and rebels in Syria close to unravelling, the list of abuses and potential war crimes on both sides appears to be growing longer... According to a recent report by Amnesty International, Syrian rebel groups may have actually used chemical weapons in Sheikh Maqsoud in early April, one in a series of "indiscriminate attacks that may account to war crimes."

You just can't handle the truth so you shut out opinions that scare you. Saudi Arabia is a beautiful country that you could learn a lot from.

Okay so,

HOW MANY GAY HEADS HAVE YOU CHOPPED OFF TODAY?

And here I thought you were adding him to your foes list...