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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sun Aug 12, 2018 4:05 pm

Wallenburg wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
They just passed 6,000,000 members not long ago.

Then why do they claim 5 million?


In recent months they haven't been.

Wallenburg wrote:They said they were?


And I can say I'm the Chairman of the American Communist Party lol
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Postby Grinning Dragon » Sun Aug 12, 2018 4:08 pm

Wallenburg wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
They just passed 6,000,000 members not long ago.

Then why do they claim 5 million?
You also still haven't shown how Pew knew those people were NRA members.

They said they were?


Is it possible the NRA link I posted was written before the NRA picked up a additional membership?

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Postby Sovaal » Sun Aug 12, 2018 4:11 pm

United States of Americanas wrote:Good riddance NRA and good riddance gun lobby. The weaponizatiom of the world violates the Ten Commandments. THOU SHALT NOT KILL! If they want to claim “In God We Trust” on the money then they best at least not be killers with guns!

The Ten Comandments aren’t the law of the land and “In God we trust” is a mistake.
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Postby Telconi » Sun Aug 12, 2018 4:13 pm

Wallenburg wrote:
Telconi wrote:

I didn't say that their polls are fake, I asked why I should trust an ideological group's internal, easily manipulated polls over independent ones. Try again.


Huh, so you asked essentially the same question that we asked to prompt your response...
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sun Aug 12, 2018 4:14 pm

Sovaal wrote:
United States of Americanas wrote:Good riddance NRA and good riddance gun lobby. The weaponizatiom of the world violates the Ten Commandments. THOU SHALT NOT KILL! If they want to claim “In God We Trust” on the money then they best at least not be killers with guns!

The Ten Comandments aren’t the law of the land and “In God we trust” is a mistake.


This^^^
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Postby Telconi » Sun Aug 12, 2018 4:14 pm

United States of Americanas wrote:Good riddance NRA and good riddance gun lobby. The weaponizatiom of the world violates the Ten Commandments. THOU SHALT NOT KILL! If they want to claim “In God We Trust” on the money then they best at least not be killers with guns!


I own a great number of guns, and have killed absolutely zero people. So it's almost like one doesn't cause the other...
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Postby Sovaal » Sun Aug 12, 2018 4:15 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Sovaal wrote:The Ten Comandments aren’t the law of the land and “In God we trust” is a mistake.


This^^^

I’m half tempted to form irl Americanist religion and wage holy war against the non-believers.
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Postby Proctopeo » Sun Aug 12, 2018 4:19 pm

Sovaal wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
This^^^

I’m half tempted to form irl Americanist religion and wage holy war against the non-believers.

Cult of Freedom?
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Postby Sovaal » Sun Aug 12, 2018 4:24 pm

Proctopeo wrote:
Sovaal wrote:I’m half tempted to form irl Americanist religion and wage holy war against the non-believers.

Cult of Freedom?

Nein, Pantheon of Liberty.
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Postby Telconi » Sun Aug 12, 2018 4:39 pm

Sovaal wrote:
Proctopeo wrote:Cult of Freedom?

Nein, Pantheon of Liberty.


Washington Resistance Army: God of Posadism, low quality machine guns, and verifiable sources on gun control's ineffectiveness.
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Postby Outer Sparta » Sun Aug 12, 2018 4:42 pm

It might be a ploy to get illegal Russian donations.
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Postby Telconi » Sun Aug 12, 2018 4:44 pm

Outer Sparta wrote:It might be a ploy to getillegal Russian donations.


They got ten dollars from Gauthier.
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Postby Outer Sparta » Sun Aug 12, 2018 4:51 pm

Telconi wrote:
Outer Sparta wrote:It might be a ploy to getillegal Russian donations.


They got ten dollars from Gauthier.

Is he a member?
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Postby Telconi » Sun Aug 12, 2018 4:51 pm

Outer Sparta wrote:
Telconi wrote:
They got ten dollars from Gauthier.

Is he a member?


Not that I'm aware of.
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Postby Sovaal » Sun Aug 12, 2018 5:02 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Wallenburg wrote:Then why do they claim 5 million?


In recent months they haven't been.

Wallenburg wrote:They said they were?


And I can say I'm the Chairman of the American Communist Party lol

Oi, I never saw you at the Bureau before.
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Winston Churchill, 1947.

"Rifles, muskets, long-bows and hand-grenades are inherently democratic weapons. A complex weapon makes the strong stronger, while a simple weapon – so long as there is no answer to it – gives claws to the weak.” - George Orwell

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Postby Sovaal » Sun Aug 12, 2018 5:03 pm

Telconi wrote:
Sovaal wrote:Nein, Pantheon of Liberty.


Washington Resistance Army: God of Posadism, low quality machine guns, and verifiable sources on gun control's ineffectiveness.
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Winston Churchill, 1947.

"Rifles, muskets, long-bows and hand-grenades are inherently democratic weapons. A complex weapon makes the strong stronger, while a simple weapon – so long as there is no answer to it – gives claws to the weak.” - George Orwell

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Postby Telconi » Sun Aug 12, 2018 5:51 pm

Sovaal wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Washington Resistance Army: God of Posadism, low quality machine guns, and verifiable sources on gun control's ineffectiveness.
Canada; the outer most ring of hell, New Zealand and Australia the next, Great Britian right next to the devil himself George the III


This, but unironically.
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Postby Petrasylvania » Sun Aug 12, 2018 6:45 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Wallenburg wrote:And why should I trust the NRA's internal polling?




Because they're a more reliable pollster when it comes to NRA members?

And tobacco companies could not find a link between smoking and lung cancer.
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Postby Sovaal » Sun Aug 12, 2018 6:46 pm

Petrasylvania wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:


Because they're a more reliable pollster when it comes to NRA members?

And tobacco companies could not find a link between smoking and lung cancer.

So I guess that means there's more NRA members than the NRA actually says it has? This is some tinfoil shit right here.
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No one pretends that democracy is perfect or all wise. Indeed, it has been said that democracy is
the worst form of government, except for all the others that have been tried from time to time." -
Winston Churchill, 1947.

"Rifles, muskets, long-bows and hand-grenades are inherently democratic weapons. A complex weapon makes the strong stronger, while a simple weapon – so long as there is no answer to it – gives claws to the weak.” - George Orwell

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Postby Proctopeo » Sun Aug 12, 2018 6:51 pm

Sovaal wrote:
Petrasylvania wrote:And tobacco companies could not find a link between smoking and lung cancer.

So I guess that means there's more NRA members than the NRA actually says it has? This is some tinfoil shit right here.

As we know, the harmful effects of a drug is equivalent to the number of members in an organization.

Therefore I conclude that there are only 4 Democrats, all of them named Jim Jones.
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Postby Sovaal » Sun Aug 12, 2018 6:53 pm

Proctopeo wrote:
Sovaal wrote:So I guess that means there's more NRA members than the NRA actually says it has? This is some tinfoil shit right here.

As we know, the harmful effects of a drug is equivalent to the number of members in an organization.

Therefore I conclude that there are only 4 Democrats, all of them named Jim Jones.

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No one pretends that democracy is perfect or all wise. Indeed, it has been said that democracy is
the worst form of government, except for all the others that have been tried from time to time." -
Winston Churchill, 1947.

"Rifles, muskets, long-bows and hand-grenades are inherently democratic weapons. A complex weapon makes the strong stronger, while a simple weapon – so long as there is no answer to it – gives claws to the weak.” - George Orwell

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Postby Estanglia » Mon Aug 13, 2018 2:39 am

Wallenburg wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:I'd also like to remind people next time they want to drag out one of those meme worthy polls that says "X amount of NRA members supports Y gun control measure" that the one and only poll that actually verified peoples NRA membership (because it was done internally by the organization) had them at 90%+ opposition to each and every measure proposed.

Yeah, sure, because any poll that doesn't support your own agenda is just fake news. :roll:

No, it's just that other polls have no way to verify who is an NRA member and who isn't.
Wallenburg wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:I'll bite, how did the Pew poll verify that people are actually NRA members?

Why does it matter?

Oh, I don't know, maybe because you're polling a specific group of people and verifying that those who respond are actually members of this group makes the poll more accurate?
Wallenburg wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Because those numbers conflict heavily with internal NRA polling. The "28%" support for banning assault weapons is actually closer to 4% amongst NRA members iirc.

And why should I trust the NRA's internal polling?

Because they will be more accurate as the NRA has records of who are NRA members, so only NRA members will respond, removing the issue of non-NRA members responding to the NRA poll.
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Firstly, it's actually thou shalt not murder, secondly, America's not a religious theocracy, thirdly, the NRA isn't the only pro-gun organisation and the pro gun lobby won't disappear just because the NRA does.
Wallenburg wrote:
Telconi wrote:

I didn't say that their polls are fake, I asked why I should trust an ideological group's internal, easily manipulated polls over independent ones. Try again.

Because they actually have records of who is an NRA member. The independent ones don't. The independent ones will inevitably include non-NRA members as NRA.
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Washington Resistance Army wrote:You also still haven't shown how Pew knew those people were NRA members.

They said they were?

Yeah, and I'm the reincarnation of my neighbour's cousin's father's dead dog. Just because someone claims they're something, doesn't mean they actually are that thing.
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Proctopeo wrote:
Sovaal wrote:So I guess that means there's more NRA members than the NRA actually says it has? This is some tinfoil shit right here.

As we know, the harmful effects of a drug is equivalent to the number of members in an organization.

Therefore I conclude that there are only 4 Democrats, all of them named Jim Jones.

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Postby Nui-ta » Tue Aug 14, 2018 4:36 pm

Good riddance!

When you do so much to campaign against common-sense initiatives for gun control like background checks and expanded magazine limits, you make it really, really hard to have a conversation about sensible gun ownership in the United States.

Maybe with these guys gone, the door can be opened to a less extreme voice in favor of the Second Amendment.
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Postby Sovaal » Tue Aug 14, 2018 4:40 pm

Nui-ta wrote:Good riddance!

When you do so much to campaign against common-sense initiatives for gun control like background checks


Someone should have told the guys I bought guns from we didn't have to do background checks Anyway, how are you going to make sure Billy Bob and Bubbah follow the law?
and expanded magazine limits,

lol
you make it really, really hard to have a conversation about sensible gun ownership in the United States.

The Antis haven't really been any better. iirc a candidate for governor in California wants to ban all semi autos because banning scary guns isn't enough

Maybe with these guys gone, the door can be opened to a less extreme voice in favor of the Second Amendment.

It only gets more extreme really.
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No one pretends that democracy is perfect or all wise. Indeed, it has been said that democracy is
the worst form of government, except for all the others that have been tried from time to time." -
Winston Churchill, 1947.

"Rifles, muskets, long-bows and hand-grenades are inherently democratic weapons. A complex weapon makes the strong stronger, while a simple weapon – so long as there is no answer to it – gives claws to the weak.” - George Orwell

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