NRA Might Be Going Bust

[Senkaku]

Probably a ploy to hit Cuomo and rake in more donations/rile up their members. With their membership, no way they're going under.

And what are people supposed to discuss? Hmmm? And don't give me "It's implied." Ask some questions or let me know I can lock the thread.

Fine.

What impact will this have on the gun debate? I think it will make it possible for reasonable measures to be passed if the NRA does go belly up.

The notion of the NRA going belly up is almost as laughable as the idea of its members and fervent supporters giving up on its policy agenda if it does.

[Farnhamia]

This is likely a pity party campaign on their part. Or trying to play victim after the Russia scandal.

This^

I know for a fact the NRA was bringing in big money recently, even setting internal records I believe and membership passed 6,000,000 dues paying members not long ago. They're almost certainly just trying to keep the momentum going and get the numbers higher and there's few better ways to do that than sounding the alarm.

The Oral Roberts Gambit.

[Petrasylvania]

So if the NRA is lying about their financial status to rake in donations wouldn't that be fraud?

[Washington Resistance Army]

So if the NRA is lying about their financial status to rake in donations wouldn't that be fraud?

Now I'll admit I'm not super well versed in all the ins and outs of fraud laws but I don't think this would meet the requirements for such a label. It's hyperbolic certainly but I don't really see how "oh shit we're almost broke and if we don't get more money ASAP to keep up the fight your rights will vanish so donate!" is fraud. Desperate and frankly kind of pathetic marketing yes, but that's pretty much the status quo nowadays.

[Telconi]

So if the NRA is lying about their financial status to rake in donations wouldn't that be fraud?

Now I'll admit I'm not super well versed in all the ins and outs of fraud laws but I don't think this would meet the requirements for such a label. It's hyperbolic certainly but I don't really see how "oh shit we're almost broke and if we don't get more money ASAP to keep up the fight your rights will vanish so donate!" is fraud. Desperate and frankly kind of pathetic marketing yes, but that's pretty much the status quo nowadays.

This strikes me as literally the Wikipedia "Oh God guys, if y'all don't donate Wikipedia goes bye bye!" campaign they toss up every year.

[Farnhamia]

So if the NRA is lying about their financial status to rake in donations wouldn't that be fraud?

Not really. Fraud is offering something for money and not delivering (more or less). This is unethical but it's ... the best example I can think of is someone who begs for money when he isn't actually destitute. Is he lying about his need? Yes, but it's not a crime when two private individuals are involved.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Now I'll admit I'm not super well versed in all the ins and outs of fraud laws but I don't think this would meet the requirements for such a label. It's hyperbolic certainly but I don't really see how "oh shit we're almost broke and if we don't get more money ASAP to keep up the fight your rights will vanish so donate!" is fraud. Desperate and frankly kind of pathetic marketing yes, but that's pretty much the status quo nowadays.

This strikes me as literally the Wikipedia "Oh God guys, if y'all don't donate Wikipedia goes bye bye!" campaign they toss up every year.

Very much so, it's a good type of marketing in terms of results. Few things motivate people like that.

[Senkaku]

So if the NRA is lying about their financial status to rake in donations wouldn't that be fraud?

No, just exaggerating, probably.

[Grinning Dragon]

I wouldn't take much stock in this, the linked article in the OP references back to rollingstone and rollingstone isn't really known for their factual reporting.
The nra has a strong suit against cumo.

[Chernoslavia]

And what are people supposed to discuss? Hmmm? And don't give me "It's implied." Ask some questions or let me know I can lock the thread.

Fine.

What impact will this have on the gun debate? I think it will make it possible for reasonable measures to be passed if the NRA does go belly up.

“Reasonable measures” lmao.

[Iridencia]

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I hope the NRA falls apart and loses the last of their credibility soon. They will certainly not cease to exist for a very long time, but they can be neutered and lose a good deal of their lobbying power.

I'm for the right to own a gun, but the NRA is corrupt to the core. They shouldn't be seen as the voice for gun owners.

[Infected Mushroom]

NRA Claims 'Deep Financial Trouble' May Soon Put It Out of Business

The National Rifle Association says that it’s in “deep financial trouble” — so deep in fact that it may be “unable to exist.”

The group says it is under such financial distress because New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo has convinced a number of financial service providers, banks, and insurance providers against doing business with the gun-advocacy group. As a result, the NRA claims that it will be forced to end its magazine publishing and television services, and will be forced to curtail rallies and potentially shutter some of its offices.

In April, Gov. Cuomo encouraged New York-based businesses to cut ties with the NRA. “New York may have the strongest gun laws in the country, but we must push further to ensure that gun safety is a top priority for every individual, company, and organization that does business across the state,” he said in a statement. “I am directing the Department of Financial Services to urge insurers and bankers statewide to determine whether any relationship they may have with the NRA or similar organizations sends the wrong message to their clients and their communities who often look to them for guidance and support. This is not just a matter of reputation, it is a matter of public safety, and working together, we can put an end to gun violence in New York once and for all.”

In response, the NRA sued, claiming that the governor was attempting to deny the group the ability to speak freely about gun-related issues. This week, it filed an additional claim, obtained by Rolling Stone, suggesting that the move has impacted its cash flow to the point that it may soon be forced out of existence.

Some optimistic news for once. They helped clamped down on even the smallest regulations when they weren't scared of minorities arming up and then we learned they served as a Russian campaign finance pipeline. Not to mention making a convicted criminal their new President.

Good riddance.

What impact will this have on the gun debate? I think it will make it possible for reasonable measures to be passed if the NRA does go belly up.

EXCELLENT

EX-CE-LAN-TAY!

Hopefully this will lead to a weakening of the pro-gun political blocks, paving the way for an eventual gun ban.

[Petrolheadia]

NRA Claims 'Deep Financial Trouble' May Soon Put It Out of Business


Some optimistic news for once. They helped clamped down on even the smallest regulations when they weren't scared of minorities arming up and then we learned they served as a Russian campaign finance pipeline. Not to mention making a convicted criminal their new President.

Good riddance.

What impact will this have on the gun debate? I think it will make it possible for reasonable measures to be passed if the NRA does go belly up.

EXCELLENT

EX-CE-LAN-TAY!

Hopefully this will lead to a weakening of the pro-gun political blocks, paving the way for an eventual gun ban.

Well, now I'm in the moral clear to wish you bankruptcy.

[An Alan Smithee Nation]

Those cold dead hands are still grasping.

[Big Jim P]

And what are people supposed to discuss? Hmmm? And don't give me "It's implied." Ask some questions or let me know I can lock the thread.

Fine.

What impact will this have on the gun debate? I think it will make it possible for reasonable measures to be passed if the NRA does go belly up.

We could start with nation wide Constitutional carry, and a repeal of all the infringements.

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Hopefully this will lead to a weakening of the pro-gun political blocks, paving the way for an eventual gun ban.

I think America will have an Arab atheist transgender President before guns are banned.

[Aclion]

EXCELLENT

EX-CE-LAN-TAY!

Hopefully this will lead to a weakening of the pro-gun political blocks, paving the way for an eventual gun ban.

It won't, because
A. it's not happening
and
B. The death of the NRA doesn't means the millions of pro-gun activists cease to exist. There are already plenty of orgs capable of taking up the NRA's mantle.

[Vassenor]

EXCELLENT

EX-CE-LAN-TAY!

Hopefully this will lead to a weakening of the pro-gun political blocks, paving the way for an eventual gun ban.

It won't, because
A. it's not happening
and
B. The death of the NRA doesn't means the millions of pro-gun activists cease to exist. There are already plenty of orgs capable of taking up the NRA's mantle.

But hopefully with the NRA out of the way and no-longer throwing tantrums we can have a more reasoned debate on the subject and actually find a workable solution.

[Big Jim P]

What we really have here NY trying to put Americas oldest civil rights organization out of business. The NRA should sue NY and Coumo to bankruptcy.

[Ifreann]

What we really have here NY trying to put Americas oldest civil rights organization out of business. The NRA should sue NY and Coumo to bankruptcy.

Does Andrew Cuomo not have the right to advise people against associating with the NRA?

[Washington Resistance Army]

It won't, because
A. it's not happening
and
B. The death of the NRA doesn't means the millions of pro-gun activists cease to exist. There are already plenty of orgs capable of taking up the NRA's mantle.

But hopefully with the NRA out of the way and no-longer throwing tantrums we can have a more reasoned debate on the subject and actually find a workable solution.

If the NRA goes away the GOA will probably take it's place and I assume you would not be happy with that outcome.

[Saiwania]

I don't believe this, I think it is a conspiracy by the NRA to solicit more donations by firing up the most devoted of their base. This is playing with fire. If they play too many games with their members, they'll turn on NRA's leadership.

[Big Jim P]

What we really have here NY trying to put Americas oldest civil rights organization out of business. The NRA should sue NY and Coumo to bankruptcy.

Does Andrew Cuomo not have the right to advise people against associating with the NRA?

Not in an official capacity. The NRA hasn't broken any laws.

[Washington Resistance Army]

I don't believe this, I think it is a conspiracy by the NRA to solicit more donations by firing up the most devoted on their base. This is playing with fire. If they play too many games with their members, they'll turn on NRA's leadership.

No they won't lol