NRA Might Be Going Bust

[Shofercia]

Wow, Andrew Cuomo is overperforming. I might not feel as mellow when I vote for him over Cynthia Nixon.

The Californian in me wants to thank you, and other Cuomo voters. With him in power in New York, our Governor is just a crazy Governor, rather than the crazy Governor. Brown might have his speed rail into nothingness, but Cuomo going after a part of the Bill of Rights on a national scale certainly trumps that. Thank you!

[Telconi]

A great number of car crashes are the results of illegal activities. Shoot. you don't even need a license to get a car insurance policy, which means they are insuring your driving while the very act of driving is illegal.

I actually figured out why this is an issue. I think.

Car insurance insures against the costs of civil harms where illegal acts are not necessarily an issue, while NRA insurance insures your criminal defense against an act that is potentially illegal (can't figure it out until after you win or lose).

Car insurance carriers will refuse to indemnify you if you broke the law in the process. Attorneys are forbidden to offer contingency fee representation for criminal acts. So the NRA runs into potential issues with only covering your defense if you win, and there is arguable grey area surrounding the insurance policy's use at all.

I suspect that the uncertainty as to whether a shooting is lawful to begin with is what should save the policy. We have as equal an interest in promoting the use of an individual's rights as we do preventing incentives for illegal actions. Since we don't know its illegal until the jury returns a verdict, its probably best to permit the insurance scheme.

But carry guard covers against plenty of other non-criminal things, property damages, lawsuits, etc. that could arise from a perfectly legal defensive shooting.

If the potential criminality is an issue, then simply remove criminal proceedings from the coverage.

[Uxupox]

Apparently, cuomo is out n about and suggesting other states implement the same type of illegal activity against the nra.
Cuomo urges other states to hit NRA finances as group claims losses

Wouldn't such suggestions now be considered a violation of the commerce clause, extortion, and abuse of power?

Absolutely political suicide if this guy runs in 2020 for presidential elections.

[Aclion]

Its a fascinating area of tort law that I am routinely surprised that no judges have tried to remedy. You would think we might reward using less lethal defense when possible, but time and time again, trespassers are deemed to have increasing protections, despite themselves committing a wrong.

We actually prosecute people for brandishing if they draw their gun but don't fire. It's nuts.

Wow, Andrew Cuomo is overperforming. I might not feel as mellow when I vote for him over Cynthia Nixon.

The Californian in me wants to thank you, and other Cuomo voters. With him in power in New York, our Governor is just a crazy Governor, rather than the crazy Governor. Brown might have his speed rail into nothingness, but Cuomo going after a part of the Bill of Rights on a national scale certainly trumps that. Thank you!

Do californians and new yorkers have the same thing going on as alabama and mississippi?

[New Wrepland]

Do californians and new yorkers have the same thing going on as alabama and mississippi?

Exaggerating how bad California is, is a meme. I'm very surprised Shofercia is displeased with Jerry Brown, who is actually a very fiscally responsible governor, considering he's very devoted to a certain politician who is basically making his henchman pass an unpopular reform so he can pretend to jump in and take responsibility for diluting it later on down the line. Cuomo has some legitimate problems, like his relationship with Joe Percoco and ignoring his own environmentalist standards. The alternative for his position is someone who wants to legalize weed as a reparation for Black People. Someone like that simply doesn't deserve such a high role.

As for going after a part of the Bill of Rights, I forgive Cuomo for that because he's going after an organization (not the actual amenment) which promotes an interpretation of it in a dumb way which is really just meant to promote a very selfish minority of our population.

And Paul Lepage is still Governor of Maine so we should all know who the craziest governor is.

[New Wrepland]

Apparently, cuomo is out n about and suggesting other states implement the same type of illegal activity against the nra.
Cuomo urges other states to hit NRA finances as group claims losses

Wouldn't such suggestions now be considered a violation of the commerce clause, extortion, and abuse of power?

Absolutely political suicide if this guy runs in 2020 for presidential elections.

Other things are actual political suicide for him. NRA members just are not Democrats.

[Kramanica]

This is likely a pity party campaign on their part. Or trying to play victim after the Russia scandal.

This^

I know for a fact the NRA was bringing in big money recently, even setting internal records I believe and membership passed 6,000,000 dues paying members not long ago. They're almost certainly just trying to keep the momentum going and get the numbers higher and there's few better ways to do that than sounding the alarm.

The NRA is eternal. It will never die. And I revel in knowing how many on the left find that unbearable.

[The Greater Ohio Valley]

Tbh I’d like to see the NRA as an organization just die since they don’t represent many gun owners like myself who don’t buy into their constant fearmongering garbage.

[Freezic Vast]

The NRA isn't going anywhere anytime soon.

[Valgora]

Tbh I’d like to see the NRA as an organization just die since they don’t represent many gun owners like myself who don’t buy into their constant fearmongering garbage.

I don't think the NRA is really there for the gun owners, so I have to agree.

[Galloism]

It is extremely troubling to have a governor openly using the state’s regulatory powers to try to silence political speech that he finds distasteful for that reason, by threatening third parties they need to transact with.

I mean, try to imagine the Texas governor using the state’s regulatory powers to silence Black Lives Matter (the organization) because he doesn’t like what they say.

Sound terrible yet?

[Shofercia]

Do californians and new yorkers have the same thing going on as alabama and mississippi?

Exaggerating how bad California is, is a meme. I'm very surprised Shofercia is displeased with Jerry Brown, who is actually a very fiscally responsible governor, considering he's very devoted to a certain politician who is basically making his henchman pass an unpopular reform so he can pretend to jump in and take responsibility for diluting it later on down the line. Cuomo has some legitimate problems, like his relationship with Joe Percoco and ignoring his own environmentalist standards. The alternative for his position is someone who wants to legalize weed as a reparation for Black People. Someone like that simply doesn't deserve such a high role.

As for going after a part of the Bill of Rights, I forgive Cuomo for that because he's going after an organization (not the actual amenment) which promotes an interpretation of it in a dumb way which is really just meant to promote a very selfish minority of our population.

And Paul Lepage is still Governor of Maine so we should all know who the craziest governor is.

California is awesome. The Government in the Sac can be idiotic. You know that the state spends at least 40% of its revenue on education, right? Guess who figured that one out - oh yeah, the voters. The state created one of the most brilliant real property investment systems, which was also created by the voters. Almost anything that's thriving in California can be tied to one Proposition or another.

Brown is fiscally responsible? Wasting billions on a fucking high speed railroad that most Californians don't want is being fiscally responsible? He balanced the budget after the economy improved, and the tax revenue increased. Anyone in California could've done that. What's next, are you going to praise Brown for switching California to Solar Power, after the voters did that, and all politicians could do was the Solyndra Scandal? California is a state that can run itself, without an Assembly.

Not sure how Putin is relevant to this thread, nor did I ever claim to support all of his policies, but it seems that you're catching the recent craze of yelling "Putin!" and suddenly your opposition is supposed to shut up. That doesn't really work. Running a moronic pedophile like Roy Moore for office - that works... for the other party.

As for the Bill of Rights - it also protects assholes. It doesn't just apply to people who are awesome. It applies to all American Citizens. That includes assholes like NRA. So whether you forgive Cuomo or not, is irrelevant.

[Sovaal]

Tbh I’d like to see the NRA as an organization just die since they don’t represent many gun owners like myself who don’t buy into their constant fearmongering garbage.

I don't think the NRA is really there for the gun owners, so I have to agree.

I mean the antis aren't really for many of us either, or at least me.

[Telconi]

Tbh I’d like to see the NRA as an organization just die since they don’t represent many gun owners like myself who don’t buy into their constant fearmongering garbage.

I don't think the NRA is really there for the gun owners, so I have to agree.

They're a helluva lot more there for me than Governor Cuomo is.

[Uxupox]

Absolutely political suicide if this guy runs in 2020 for presidential elections.

Other things are actual political suicide for him. NRA members just are not Democrats.

He is not just talking about NRA though. He talking about the whole gun community. The guy is mad, he is Trump level.

[Myrensis]

Isn't Ollie North President of the NRA now? He can always just start running guns to Iran again for a quick buck.

In any case, I doubt they're in any real trouble, they're just fleecing the insecure rubes with fears that the Homo Communist Muslim Liberals are going to steal their penises...I mean guns, if they don't start buying more of them and giving more money to the NRA.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Isn't Ollie North President of the NRA now? He can always just start running guns to Iran again for a quick buck.

In any case, I doubt they're in any real trouble, they're just fleecing the insecure rubes with fears that the Homo Communist Muslim Liberals are going to steal their penises...I mean guns, if they don't start buying more of them and giving more money to the NRA.

If they wanted to do they could just show people the voting records of Dems at the federal level lol. There's no reason to lie when you can point to most every Dem signing onto lunacy like the most recent AWB bill.

This is being done to troll Cuomo more than anything really.

[Telconi]

Isn't Ollie North President of the NRA now? He can always just start running guns to Iran again for a quick buck.

In any case, I doubt they're in any real trouble, they're just fleecing the insecure rubes with fears that the Homo Communist Muslim Liberals are going to steal their penises...I mean guns, if they don't start buying more of them and giving more money to the NRA.

If they wanted to do they could just show people the voting records of Dems at the federal level lol. There's no reason to lie when you can point to most every Dem signing onto lunacy like the most recent AWB bill.

This is being done to troll Cuomo more than anything really.

Telling people the truth about the Democrats is now propoganda, and apparently penises are involved...

[New Wrepland]

http://www.oandb.com/new-york-department-of-financial-services-finds-nra-carry-guard-insurance-in-violation-of-new-york-insurance-law/

So it seems there is a legitimate reason for all of this. Why shouldn’t NY suggest businesses not to associate with a group breaking their laws? Ideally the state should have remained neutral, but this is merely looking less and less bad in my eyes.

*support for Cuomo intensifies*

It is extremely troubling to have a governor openly using the state’s regulatory powers to try to silence political speech that he finds distasteful for that reason, by threatening third parties they need to transact with.

I mean, try to imagine the Texas governor using the state’s regulatory powers to silence Black Lives Matter (the organization) because he doesn’t like what they say.

Sound terrible yet?

Well the NRA was doing illegal stuff. He didn’t threaten the firms, he warned them, which in context makes sense given that the NRA was trying to illegally offer insurance policies and the firms they contacted were all in banking and insurance.

[Petrasylvania]

http://www.oandb.com/new-york-department-of-financial-services-finds-nra-carry-guard-insurance-in-violation-of-new-york-insurance-law/

So it seems there is a legitimate reason for all of this. Why shouldn’t NY suggest businesses not to associate with a group breaking their laws? Ideally the state should have remained neutral, but this is merely looking less and less bad in my eyes.

*support for Cuomo intensifies*

It is extremely troubling to have a governor openly using the state’s regulatory powers to try to silence political speech that he finds distasteful for that reason, by threatening third parties they need to transact with.

I mean, try to imagine the Texas governor using the state’s regulatory powers to silence Black Lives Matter (the organization) because he doesn’t like what they say.

Sound terrible yet?

Well the NRA was doing illegal stuff.

2nd Amendment clearly legalizes selling insurance without a license, silly.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

http://www.oandb.com/new-york-department-of-financial-services-finds-nra-carry-guard-insurance-in-violation-of-new-york-insurance-law/

So it seems there is a legitimate reason for all of this. Why shouldn’t NY suggest businesses not to associate with a group breaking their laws? Ideally the state should have remained neutral, but this is merely looking less and less bad in my eyes.

*support for Cuomo intensifies*


Well the NRA was doing illegal stuff.

2nd Amendment clearly legalizes selling insurance without a license, silly.

What justification was Cuomo using though?

[Katganistan]

It's one governor who asked this. Are their finances really that straitened by not doing business in ONE state?

[Telconi]

It's one governor who asked this. Are their finances really that straitened by not doing business in ONE state?

Being freedom's safest place is expensive yo.

[Katganistan]

This^

I know for a fact the NRA was bringing in big money recently, even setting internal records I believe and membership passed 6,000,000 dues paying members not long ago. They're almost certainly just trying to keep the momentum going and get the numbers higher and there's few better ways to do that than sounding the alarm.

The Oral Roberts Gambit.

I still don't understand why he asked for the money. Shouldn't he have WANTED the Lord to call him home?!

[Washington Resistance Army]

It's one governor who asked this. Are their finances really that straitened by not doing business in ONE state?

Probably not, but it wouldn't be the American legal system if you didn't wildly overstate things to try and get big rewards.