[POLL] How important are the (working) poor to our society?

[Torrocca]

The misrepresentation of mutual aid here is astonishingly hilarious.

Tell it how it works, learned man.

Ez pz: you help community, and community helps you.

Far better it is to be a worker fighting for the rights of your fellow person and your fellow worker than a nobody who thinks he's special because he has more money than the next thousand people below him.

Far better it is to have workers fight for their own wellbeing and not waste time bothering about other stuff.

The liberation of the working class is the fight for our own wellbeing. :^)

[Rio Cana]

Sorry, but I've chosen Bonapartism instead. :^)

When are you invading Russia?

The Russians are waiting with this -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rmmQP8E1dXQ

[The United Colonies of Earth]

How important is the scavenger, similarly given little attention, in an ecosystem? Pretty important I'd say. I mean, if my company shut down and none replaced it who would fill up the UTMC vending machines?

[Conserative Morality]

And they shouldn’t. Fuck the rich assholes who want to replace the workers with robots because robots are less expensive. That’s why they are getting replaced. Because the upper class wants to get richer and they have found away to keep the working class out

Sorry that you hate progress.

[The New California Republic]

And they shouldn’t. Fuck the rich assholes who want to replace the workers with robots because robots are less expensive. That’s why they are getting replaced. Because the upper class wants to get richer and they have found away to keep the working class out

Sorry that you hate progress.

I wouldn't have figured Therm for a Luddite, but...¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Petrolheadia]

Far better it is to have workers fight for their own wellbeing and not waste time bothering about other stuff.

The liberation of the working class is the fight for our own wellbeing. :^)

Collectivism doesn't work. The ultimate help a guy can get is from themselves.

[The United Colonies of Earth]

The liberation of the working class is the fight for our own wellbeing. :^)

Collectivism doesn't work. The ultimate help a guy can get is from themselves.

And even that isn't enough to stop your ultimate misery, so maybe be less hostile to relying on others?

[Cetacea]

it is the balance of consumption and production that makes the world go round and why middle class spending is so very very vital.

unfortunately modern capitalism has shifted production to the hands of a few plutarchs who rely on consumers not only to drive demand for goods but also as the labour resource used in production. Thats also why UBI may become essential as consumers need to have a medium by which they can access products for consumption.

A better system would be for everyone to be a producer in their own right, each with sufficient resources that they can grow, make. do something that others can and will consume, hopefully with a social premium.

[Pope Joan]

Certainly more important than the idle rich.

As Oscar Wilde said, "Work is the curse of the drinking class."

[Torrocca]

The liberation of the working class is the fight for our own wellbeing. :^)

Collectivism doesn't work. The ultimate help a guy can get is from themselves.

I love how hostile you are to the idea of a community working together for its collective good, despite us humans literal being a communal species. It's delightfully delicious.

[Terra Novae Libero]

The working class is the most vital part of society. Without us, society literally wouldn't function, the rich wouldn't be rich off our labor, etc. etc.

Society needs different classes to function. Without a working class, of course, no one is available to do menial labor. Without a ruling class of some sort, society would be unable to coordinate anything on a large scale and would collapse into mob rule. Without a middle class, we would lose valuable professional skills and innovation. Without academia, we would lose science.

None are really "most vital". Remove any, and the system collapses. History has shown this.

[Petrolheadia]

Collectivism doesn't work. The ultimate help a guy can get is from themselves.

I love how hostile you are to the idea of a community working together for its collective good, despite us humans literal being a communal species. It's delightfully delicious.

The fact that we are communal does not mean we like some random guy more than our family and ourselves.

Also, what non-WASP groups managed to get the best into the US society? The blacks and Latinos, with their x Power groups?

No, the Asians, who went from prejudice including internment during WWII to being ingrained by the 21st Century, the Germans, who went from prejudice during WWI to decent assimilation by the next, the Italians and Poles, who made the stereotypes irrelevant, and everyone who actiually worked for themselves.

[Major-Tom]

Crucial. Without any question in my mind.

[Page]

The proletariat are the engine of society. If every single person who worked a minimum wage job went on a long term general strike, the economy and society would fall into chaos. If they did a one day general strike, billions of dollars would be lost.

[Diopolis]

The liberation of the working class is the fight for our own wellbeing. :^)

Collectivism doesn't work. The ultimate help a guy can get is from themselves.

No, the ultimate help is nepotism.

[Uxupox]

Collectivism doesn't work. The ultimate help a guy can get is from themselves.

I love how hostile you are to the idea of a community working together for its collective good, despite us humans literal being a communal species. It's delightfully delicious.

community working together to kill other communities is a wonderful tool of society.

[Medwedian Democratic Federation]

The working class is the most vital part of society. Without us, society literally wouldn't function, the rich wouldn't be rich off our labor, etc. etc.

Society needs different classes to function. Without a working class, of course, no one is available to do menial labor. Without a ruling class of some sort, society would be unable to coordinate anything on a large scale and would collapse into mob rule. Without a middle class, we would lose valuable professional skills and innovation. Without academia, we would lose science.

None are really "most vital". Remove any, and the system collapses. History has shown this.

Do you agree with my "Social classes = Food pyramid" model?

[Torrocca]

I love how hostile you are to the idea of a community working together for its collective good, despite us humans literal being a communal species. It's delightfully delicious.

The fact that we are communal does not mean we like some random guy more than our family and ourselves.

There used to be a time, a time before privatization, division of land, and urbanization happened, when we did care equally about non-family in our community as we did our families and ourselves. Fucking Capitalism ruined our communal-oriented nature.

Also, what non-WASP groups managed to get the best into the US society? The blacks and Latinos, with their x Power groups?

No, the Asians, who went from prejudice including internment during WWII to being ingrained by the 21st Century, the Germans, who went from prejudice during WWI to decent assimilation by the next, the Italians and Poles, who made the stereotypes irrelevant, and everyone who actiually worked for themselves.

I love just how low-key racist this part is. It's beautifully stupid.

The working class is the most vital part of society. Without us, society literally wouldn't function, the rich wouldn't be rich off our labor, etc. etc.

Society needs different classes to function. Without a working class, of course, no one is available to do menial labor. Without a ruling class of some sort, society would be unable to coordinate anything on a large scale and would collapse into mob rule. Without a middle class, we would lose valuable professional skills and innovation. Without academia, we would lose science.

None are really "most vital". Remove any, and the system collapses. History has shown this.

We don't need other classes to have a functioning society. People don't need to be ruled over to communicate, coordinate, and build a greater society. The intellectuals and the specially skilled don't need to be put into different socioeconomic classes to provide that intellectual outlook or those special skills that are vital to humanity. Socioeconomic classes are just a tool to divide and ruin us as people.

[The Serbian Empire]

They're gonna be a whole lot less important when they get replaced by robots.

The problem is that a good number of these jobs aren't replaceable with robots as humans don't trust robots to be security guards after one slipped into a fountain or to clean bedpans at the nursing home.

[Petrolheadia]

The fact that we are communal does not mean we like some random guy more than our family and ourselves.

There used to be a time, a time before privatization, division of land, and urbanization happened, when we did care equally about non-family in our community as we did our families and ourselves. Fucking Capitalism ruined our communal-oriented nature.

And improved our life.

Also, what non-WASP groups managed to get the best into the US society? The blacks and Latinos, with their x Power groups?

No, the Asians, who went from prejudice including internment during WWII to being ingrained by the 21st Century, the Germans, who went from prejudice during WWI to decent assimilation by the next, the Italians and Poles, who made the stereotypes irrelevant, and everyone who actiually worked for themselves.

I love just how low-key racist this part is. It's beautifully stupid.

I don't care if something is racist, I care if it is true.

Society needs different classes to function. Without a working class, of course, no one is available to do menial labor. Without a ruling class of some sort, society would be unable to coordinate anything on a large scale and would collapse into mob rule. Without a middle class, we would lose valuable professional skills and innovation. Without academia, we would lose science.

None are really "most vital". Remove any, and the system collapses. History has shown this.

We don't need other classes to have a functioning society. People don't need to be ruled over to communicate, coordinate, and build a greater society. The intellectuals and the specially skilled don't need to be put into different socioeconomic classes to provide that intellectual outlook or those special skills that are vital to humanity. Socioeconomic classes are just a tool to divide and ruin us as people.

Yeah, let's pretend some random schmuck is as important and controls as much workflow as a skilled manager.

[Sovaal]

They're gonna be a whole lot less important when they get replaced by robots.

The problem is that a good number of these jobs aren't replaceable with robots as humans don't trust robots to be security guards after one slipped into a fountain or to clean bedpans at the nursing home.

Eventually they will. just wait for an automated, public workforce to be then norm.

[Torrocca]

There used to be a time, a time before privatization, division of land, and urbanization happened, when we did care equally about non-family in our community as we did our families and ourselves. Fucking Capitalism ruined our communal-oriented nature.

And improved our life.

A metric fuckton of people would disagree that Capitalism improved life.

I love just how low-key racist this part is. It's beautifully stupid.

I don't care if something is racist, I care if it is true.

Yeah, I'm sure you really cared about the truth earlier when you referred my despair at the fact that the majority of people are fucked over in this current system as "jealousy".

We don't need other classes to have a functioning society. People don't need to be ruled over to communicate, coordinate, and build a greater society. The intellectuals and the specially skilled don't need to be put into different socioeconomic classes to provide that intellectual outlook or those special skills that are vital to humanity. Socioeconomic classes are just a tool to divide and ruin us as people.

Yeah, let's pretend some random schmuck is as important and controls as much workflow as a skilled manager.

Workers do not need a manager to work.

[UniversalCommons]

The basis for creating wealth is creating debt. The more debt you create, the more money there is in the system. It is necessary to create additional money by creating unpayable debt like student loans, car loans, and housing loans. The poor provide a massive way to create money by such things like payday loans, and other loans.

[The New Sea Territory]

Workers create all wealth. No workers, no value.

They are the reason we have a society at all, and they have a world to win.

[Cedoria]

Without the labor of the poor, the rich wouldn't be the rich.

Ergo, the rich owe the poor, big time.

Maybe it's time the working class called in that debt, so to speak.