Seattle Police Exodus?

[Thermodolia]

A city that isn't policed. Because a mayor who tries to bully a union leader doesn't deserve that union's services.

Ok I wouldn't fire him but demand he apologize.

For doing his job? Sounds like you’d be a shit mayor.

[Thermodolia]

In regards to the latter, not yet.

As for the former, yes, I'm aware. But the reports still indicate that morale has gone down, and if Chicago is any indication of what happens when police are ostracized for doing their job that means high-risk neighbourhoods will be avoided entirely during patrols, thus increasing crime rates.

And neither article gives hard evidence of morale being down.

There is no evidence of neighborhoods being ignored. The police don't get to pick and choose what neighborhoods they serve.

Um the entire south side of Chicago is regularly ignored by the CPD.

[Earthbound Immortal Squad]

It must be because of a lack of Martin Cranes in the force.

[Thermodolia]

Source?

Ask a police officer and I know people in Chicago and the claim they don't patrol certain areas is bollocks.

And I know people who live in the south side who say that the police don’t patrol

[Oil exporting People]

Yes.

Are you barking mad? I dont think that would be well received by just about anyone and any and all respect the police had would evaporate in an instant. The leadership of the department would be arrested and face criminal charges likely including sedition and conspiracy.

Who would arrest them? They are the police; they'd handle "anyone" else opposed all the same as well given they are, as noted, the police.

[Thermodolia]

While I understand the value of strategic retreating, it still rubs me wrong. Given the relative strength of the Police services vis-a-vis their main opponents, the proper response would be to depose of the City Council and then suppress the insurgent bands of the city. A new city Government under the supervision of the city would then be enacted.

what are you talking about? Are you suggesting the SPD or CPD launch a coup against the elected government chosen in a free and fair election?

At this point I think Chi Town should have it’s local government revoked and ruled directly from DC

[San Lumen]

Are you barking mad? I dont think that would be well received by just about anyone and any and all respect the police had would evaporate in an instant. The leadership of the department would be arrested and face criminal charges likely including sedition and conspiracy.

Who would arrest them? They are the police; they'd handle "anyone" else opposed all the same as well given they are, as noted, the police.

The King County sheriff office for starters and probably the state police and attorney general.

[Oil exporting People]

the proper response would be to depose of the City Council and then suppress the insurgent bands of the city. A new city Government under the supervision of the city would then be enacted.

And this is why we have the Feds, ladies and gentlemen! Jesus Christ

Do you really think the current Federal Government would do anything about this?

[Thermodolia]

Are you barking mad? I dont think that would be well received by just about anyone and any and all respect the police had would evaporate in an instant. The leadership of the department would be arrested and face criminal charges likely including sedition and conspiracy.

Who would arrest them? They are the police; they'd handle "anyone" else opposed all the same as well given they are, as noted, the police.

I think he’s assuming that the feds or the state patrol would step in and arrest them. Though at the current moment I think the Feds and the state would support such a takeover

[Oil exporting People]

Who would arrest them? They are the police; they'd handle "anyone" else opposed all the same as well given they are, as noted, the police.

The King County sheriff office for starters and probably the state police and attorney general.

We're presuming they joined in on the coup.

[Thermodolia]

And this is why we have the Feds, ladies and gentlemen! Jesus Christ

Do you really think the current Federal Government would do anything about this?

In fact they might actually support it

[Senkaku]

The King County sheriff office for starters and probably the state police and attorney general.

We're presuming they joined in on the coup.

This is a silly threadjack and it should stop

[Oil exporting People]

We're presuming they joined in on the coup.

This is a silly threadjack and it should stop

In response to the City Council and Police tensions outlined by the OP and the results therein, I have advocated for the Police to respond to such by deposing the City Council to address both accounts; this is definitely an on topic tangent. I also do not recall you being made a moderator.

[The South Falls]

hi yes this is a discussion thread not RWDT, please keep the memes in the appropriate location

>implying it's a meme
>implying San Lumen threads are discussion threads

C'mon now

>implying you're not behind all the memes

[Senkaku]

This is a silly threadjack and it should stop

In response to the City Council and Police tensions outlined by the OP and the results therein, I have advocated for the Police to respond to such by deposing the City Council to address both accounts; this is definitely an on topic tangent.

In which case lawlessness and violence overtake the city and the feds have to send in the national guard or the army to restore order and it's a huge bloody mess. It's not a serious proposal.

I also do not recall you being made a moderator.

Normal users are allowed to note when something is off topic lol

[The South Falls]

In response to the City Council and Police tensions outlined by the OP and the results therein, I have advocated for the Police to respond to such by deposing the City Council to address both accounts; this is definitely an on topic tangent.

In which case lawlessness and violence overtake the city and the feds have to send in the national guard or the army to restore order and it's a huge bloody mess. It's not a serious proposal.

I also do not recall you being made a moderator.

Normal users are allowed to note when something is off topic lol

An L.A riot caused by the police would devolve into a fight with the military.

[Oil exporting People]

In which case lawlessness and violence overtake the city and the feds have to send in the national guard or the army to restore order and it's a huge bloody mess. It's not a serious proposal.

The Police services have a monopoly on force and its questionable if the Feds would intervene.

Normal users are allowed to note when something is off topic lol

Sure, but that's not all you were doing.

[The Lone Alliance]

Yet the number of officers hired outpaces those leaving nor has the crime rate risen.

In regards to the latter, not yet.

As for the former, yes, I'm aware. But the reports still indicate that morale has gone down, and if Chicago is any indication of what happens when police are ostracized for doing their job that means high-risk neighbourhoods will be avoided entirely during patrols, thus increasing crime rates.

Apparently Baltimore is having the same problems, apparently the police just decided after Freddie Gray to just do the bare miniumium they have to to get paid and ignore everything else.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nat ... 744741002/

Really it's just what they wanted, they wanted less oppressive evil racist police, they got less evil racist oppressive police.

Really life is like a South Park Episode now.

Do you really think the current Federal Government would do anything about this?

In fact they might actually support it

Depends, is Seattle a "Sanctuary City"?

[Thermodolia]

In regards to the latter, not yet.

As for the former, yes, I'm aware. But the reports still indicate that morale has gone down, and if Chicago is any indication of what happens when police are ostracized for doing their job that means high-risk neighbourhoods will be avoided entirely during patrols, thus increasing crime rates.

Apparently Baltimore is having the same problems, apparently the police just decided after Freddie Gray to just do the bare miniumium they have to to get paid and ignore everything else.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nat ... 744741002/

Really it's just what they wanted, they wanted less oppressive evil racist police, they got less evil racist oppressive police.

Really life is like a South Park Episode now.

In fact they might actually support it

Depends, is Seattle a "Sanctuary City"?

I was talking about the Windy City but yes

[Oil exporting People]

With regard to a particular point raised by Therm, in terms of direct rule and the revocation of city self-government, I have come around to the concept of "Free (Federal) Cities" in the U.S. ruled directly by Washington; obviously it would be limited to the major cities.

[The Lone Alliance]

I was talking about the Windy City but yes

Oh they definitely would in Chicago, and in the case of the amount of corruption in Chicago that'd likely be an improvement. When you're called the most corrupt city in the country year after year, clearly something is wrong.

[Telconi]

Yes.

Are you barking mad? I dont think that would be well received by just about anyone and any and all respect the police had would evaporate in an instant. The leadership of the department would be arrested and face criminal charges likely including sedition and conspiracy.

to be fair a decent number of folks in Washington would probably be supportive.

[The South Falls]

With regard to a particular point raised by Therm, in terms of direct rule and the revocation of city self-government, I have come around to the concept of "Free (Federal) Cities" in the U.S. ruled directly by Washington; obviously it would be limited to the major cities.

So like federal administrative districts? For poor cities that are unable to manage themselves properly, I could see that happening.

[Oil exporting People]

With regard to a particular point raised by Therm, in terms of direct rule and the revocation of city self-government, I have come around to the concept of "Free (Federal) Cities" in the U.S. ruled directly by Washington; obviously it would be limited to the major cities.

So like federal administrative districts? For poor cities that are unable to manage themselves properly, I could see that happening.

You can say Detroit, lol.

[Sick Jumps]

Are you barking mad? I dont think that would be well received by just about anyone and any and all respect the police had would evaporate in an instant. The leadership of the department would be arrested and face criminal charges likely including sedition and conspiracy.

Who would arrest them? They are the police; they'd handle "anyone" else opposed all the same as well given they are, as noted, the police.

The National Guard most likely would come in at the direction of the governor.

Also, good luck getting most cops to do something that stupid.