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Sad to see the cops leaving, there workplace should be improved.

Telconi wrote:

San Lumen wrote:
Excuse me? Mayor of a unpoliced city?

Why wouldn't it be ok for him to not blame the mayor for something he could not have prevented?

You're excused.

Because that's his job, people are supposed to do their jobs Lumen. That's how jobs work.

I know.

explain what you meant about a unpoliced city and why that would be justice?

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:Sad to see the cops leaving, there workplace should be improved.

Yet more are being hired than are leaving. That being said they should work something out with the city to get a contact and salary raise which they have been without for several years now and they should be getting more respect and support than some in the city government have been giving them.

San Lumen wrote:

Telconi wrote:
You're excused.

Because that's his job, people are supposed to do their jobs Lumen. That's how jobs work.

I know.

explain what you meant about a unpoliced city and why that would be justice?

A city that isn't policed. Because a mayor who tries to bully a union leader doesn't deserve that union's services.

Not surprised, same thing's been happening in Berkeley.

Lack of support from the local town councillors and a vehemently anti-police attitude amongst the general populace makes it very difficult to do one's job in these cities, let alone be happy in one's chosen occupation.

You reap what you sow, and Seattle's utter contempt for its police force is going to result in substantially less well-patrolled streets and an increase in crime. It's one thing to hold your officers of the law accountable, but it's quite another to consistently treat them with utter contempt.

Telconi wrote:

San Lumen wrote:
I know.

explain what you meant about a unpoliced city and why that would be justice?

A city that isn't policed. Because a mayor who tries to bully a union leader doesn't deserve that union's services.

Ok I wouldn't fire him but demand he apologize.

Canadensia wrote:Not surprised, same thing's been happening in Berkeley.

Lack of support from the local town councillors and a vehemently anti-police attitude amongst the general populace makes it very difficult to do one's job in these cities, let alone be happy in one's chosen occupation.

You reap what you sow, and Seattle's utter contempt for its police force is going to result in substantially less well-patrolled streets and an increase in crime. It's one thing to hold your officers of the law accountable, but it's quite another to consistently treat them with utter contempt.

Yet the number of officers hired outpaces those leaving nor has the crime rate risen. There is also no anti police attitude in Seattle.

San Lumen wrote:

Canadensia wrote:Not surprised, same thing's been happening in Berkeley.

Lack of support from the local town councillors and a vehemently anti-police attitude amongst the general populace makes it very difficult to do one's job in these cities, let alone be happy in one's chosen occupation.

You reap what you sow, and Seattle's utter contempt for its police force is going to result in substantially less well-patrolled streets and an increase in crime. It's one thing to hold your officers of the law accountable, but it's quite another to consistently treat them with utter contempt.

Yet the number of officers hired outpaces those leaving nor has the crime rate risen.

In regards to the latter, not yet.

As for the former, yes, I'm aware. But the reports still indicate that morale has gone down, and if Chicago is any indication of what happens when police are ostracized for doing their job that means high-risk neighbourhoods will be avoided entirely during patrols, thus increasing crime rates.

San Lumen wrote:

Telconi wrote:
A city that isn't policed. Because a mayor who tries to bully a union leader doesn't deserve that union's services.

Ok I wouldn't fire him but demand he apologize.

okay, and?

Canadensia wrote:

San Lumen wrote:
Yet the number of officers hired outpaces those leaving nor has the crime rate risen.

In regards to the latter, not yet.

As for the former, yes, I'm aware. But the reports still indicate that morale has gone down, and if Chicago is any indication of what happens when police are ostracized for doing their job that means high-risk neighbourhoods will be avoided entirely during patrols, thus increasing crime rates.

And neither article gives hard evidence of morale being down.

There is no evidence of neighborhoods being ignored. The police don't get to pick and choose what neighborhoods they serve.

Daily reminder we should try to foster better relations in neighborhoods.

San Lumen wrote:

Canadensia wrote:
In regards to the latter, not yet.

As for the former, yes, I'm aware. But the reports still indicate that morale has gone down, and if Chicago is any indication of what happens when police are ostracized for doing their job that means high-risk neighbourhoods will be avoided entirely during patrols, thus increasing crime rates.

And neither article gives hard evidence of morale being down.

There is no evidence of neighborhoods being ignored. The police don't get to pick and choose what neighborhoods they serve.

Uh, yes they do, there's no magical mind control that makes them go anywhere.

If a department doesn't treat the responsibility it is given with respect, can it expect respect itself? Sawant is correct on police issues, in my opinion.

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:Sad to see the cops leaving, there workplace should be improved.

Canadensia wrote:Not surprised, same thing's been happening in Berkeley.

Lack of support from the local town councillors and a vehemently anti-police attitude amongst the general populace makes it very difficult to do one's job in these cities, let alone be happy in one's chosen occupation.

You reap what you sow, and Seattle's utter contempt for its police force is going to result in substantially less well-patrolled streets and an increase in crime. It's one thing to hold your officers of the law accountable, but it's quite another to consistently treat them with utter contempt.

It's like you didn't read the article or look at the data or do anything besides glance at the clickbait-y thread title and headline. SPD is not in some dire straits, nor are the city's crime rates, Seattle doesn't hate and hold "utter contempt" for its police- but feel free to continue to ignore facts on the ground! I know they're sometimes inconvenient to one's narratives, and they're awfully hard to read up on and familiarize yourself with too.

Telconi wrote:

San Lumen wrote:And neither article gives hard evidence of morale being down.

There is no evidence of neighborhoods being ignored. The police don't get to pick and choose what neighborhoods they serve.

Uh, yes they do, there's no magical mind control that makes them go anywhere.

Source?

San Lumen wrote:

Telconi wrote:
Uh, yes they do, there's no magical mind control that makes them go anywhere.

Source?

I have to provide a source that mind control doesn't exist?

Telconi wrote:

San Lumen wrote:Source?

I have to provide a source that mind control doesn't exist?

No a source that police in Chicago or other places ignore certain areas. I never said anything about mind control.

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:If a department doesn't treat the responsibility it is given with respect, can it expect respect itself? Sawant is correct on police issues, in my opinion.

Jesus Christ. 99% of the population falls between Sawant and the police guild. The police are not all a bunch of evil psychopaths out for colored proletarian blood, nor are they all paragons of selfless virtue who are innocent of all wrongdoing and should never be begrudged any praise.

San Lumen wrote:

Telconi wrote:
I have to provide a source that mind control doesn't exist?

No a source that police in Chicago or other places ignore certain areas. I never said anything about mind control.

Well I said there's no magical mind control, and you asked for a source, I don't know how you expected me to somehow pull the idea that you wanted me to source another claim that I didn't make out of that.

Telconi wrote:

San Lumen wrote:No a source that police in Chicago or other places ignore certain areas. I never said anything about mind control.

Well I said there's no magical mind control, and you asked for a source, I don't know how you expected me to somehow pull the idea that you wanted me to source another claim that I didn't make out of that.

Police serve every neighborhood not just the ones they choose too.

San Lumen wrote:

Telconi wrote:
Well I said there's no magical mind control, and you asked for a source, I don't know how you expected me to somehow pull the idea that you wanted me to source another claim that I didn't make out of that.

Police serve every neighborhood not just the ones they choose too.

Source?

Telconi wrote:

San Lumen wrote:Police serve every neighborhood not just the ones they choose too.

Source?

Ask a police officer and I know people in Chicago and the claim they don't patrol certain areas is bollocks.

San Lumen wrote:

Telconi wrote:
Source?

Ask a police officer and I know people in Chicago and the claim they don't patrol certain areas is bollocks.

And by "Chicago" I'm guessing you mean like Winnetka or Kennewick? lol

We deserve to treat our police with respect.

San Lumen wrote:

Telconi wrote:
Source?

Ask a police officer and I know people in Chicago and the claim they don't patrol certain areas is bollocks.

"Because I said so" isn't a source. And police actively avoid certain areas in my significantly smaller town, so I highly doubt the guys in Chicago are all perfect automotive robots.