Seattle Police Exodus?

[Washington Resistance Army]

I mean I’ve advocated a few times for a military coup of the US so...

That's... Why?

Because Therm is an ultranational WRAist and realizes that democracy is killing America.

[Thermodolia]

I mean I’ve advocated a few times for a military coup of the US so...

And the perpetrators of the police coup would be arrested by the National Guard, the King County Sheriff and the State Patrol and face sedition charges among other very serious crimes. They would at the very least be fired and probably never work as a cop or any other job again.

Ya Trump would probably federalized the National Guard

[San Lumen]

That's... Why?

Because Therm is an ultranational WRAist and realizes that democracy is killing America.

Not the topic. To be supportive of a coup is by law enforcement is honestly frightening.

[San Lumen]

And the perpetrators of the police coup would be arrested by the National Guard, the King County Sheriff and the State Patrol and face sedition charges among other very serious crimes. They would at the very least be fired and probably never work as a cop or any other job again.

Ya Trump would probably federalized the National Guard

You honestly think he'd support a coup against the Seattle government led by the police department? I dont think even rural counties would be supportive of that.

[Thermodolia]

Ya Trump would probably federalized the National Guard

You honestly think he'd support a coup against the Seattle government led by the police department? I dont think even rural counties would be supportive of that.

Yes. They probably would be. This is Seattle we are talking about.

[San Lumen]

You honestly think he'd support a coup against the Seattle government led by the police department? I dont think even rural counties would be supportive of that.

Yes. They probably would be. This is Seattle we are talking about.

Ok and then wants to stop their sheriff from doing the same thing if they decide they dont like the county government?

Its utter insanity and would never happen. The Seattle police like any other city has a duty to protect and serve and launching a coup would be doing neither of that.

[Thermodolia]

Yes. They probably would be. This is Seattle we are talking about.

Ok and then wants to stop their sheriff from doing the same thing if they decide they dont like the county government?

Nothing except for the fact that most county governments are pro police.

Its utter insanity and would never happen. The Seattle police like any other city has a duty to protect and serve and launching a coup would be doing neither of that.

The police actually do not have to legally protect anyone.

[San Lumen]

Ok and then wants to stop their sheriff from doing the same thing if they decide they dont like the county government?

Nothing except for the fact that most county governments are pro police.

Its utter insanity and would never happen. The Seattle police like any other city has a duty to protect and serve and launching a coup would be doing neither of that.

The police actually do not have to legally protect anyone.

and there is no pervasive anti police attitude in Seattle or any other city.

Are you kidding? That's literally their job. protect and serve.

[Thermodolia]

Nothing except for the fact that most county governments are pro police.



The police actually do not have to legally protect anyone.

and there is no pervasive anti police attitude in Seattle or any other city.

First off no. Second you said county not city.

Are you kidding? That's literally their job. protect and serve.

I am not kidding. And no it’s not, their job is to enforce order and the Law.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Therm is right, the Supreme Court has plainly stated that police don't exist to protect people and have no duty to do so. They exist to uphold the law.

[San Lumen]

and there is no pervasive anti police attitude in Seattle or any other city.

First off no. Second you said county not city.

Are you kidding? That's literally their job. protect and serve.

I am not kidding. And no it’s not, their job is to enforce order and the Law.

Ok. That does not mean their actions cannot be subject to scrutiny and not be treated with respect.

A coup is not enforcing order or the law.

Therm is right, the Supreme Court has plainly stated that police don't exist to protect people and have no duty to do so. They exist to uphold the law.

When did they say that?

[Islands of Washington]

I think any police officer in Seattle who joined the force expecting a supportive relationship with the city council was foolish.

Its not the entire council. The city government shouldnt have a can do no wrong attitude regarding the police but they should not be hostile either.

I live in Washington and the relationship with the police to everyone is pretty scary. The fact that the Police are called murders when doing their job is at most disrespect. Most shootings the police are involved are from aggravation from the suspect. While that isn't true for all, the respect our boys in blue have are very low, especially with BLM, and many other groups that blame police for their own problems.

[Grinning Dragon]

First off no. Second you said county not city.


I am not kidding. And no it’s not, their job is to enforce order and the Law.

Ok. That does not mean their actions cannot be subject to scrutiny and not be treated with respect.

A coup is not enforcing order or the law.

Therm is right, the Supreme Court has plainly stated that police don't exist to protect people and have no duty to do so. They exist to uphold the law.

When did they say that?

Well you have; Warren v. District of Columbia, Castle Rock v. Gonzales, Balistreri v. Pacifica Police Department, and DeShaney v. Winnebago County.

[San Lumen]

Ok. That does not mean their actions cannot be subject to scrutiny and not be treated with respect.

A coup is not enforcing order or the law.
When did they say that?

Well you have; Warren v. District of Columbia, Castle Rock v. Gonzales, Balistreri v. Pacifica Police Department, and DeShaney v. Winnebago County.

Ok but that still does not mean police could choose not to protect or serve certain areas or groups or not uphold the law in black or hispanic neighborhood or launch a coup.

[The Lone Alliance]

Well you have; Warren v. District of Columbia, Castle Rock v. Gonzales, Balistreri v. Pacifica Police Department, and DeShaney v. Winnebago County.

Ok but that still does not mean police could choose not to protect or serve certain areas or groups or not uphold the law in black or hispanic neighborhood or launch a coup.

Actually it does and it has, well maybe not the coup part but the police are pretty much barely doing anything in certain cities now.

See my article last page, in Baltimore the police are basically looking the other way towards crime, crime hasn't gone down the Police are just deciding to ignore it. If they bust a criminal and something goes wrong and the criminal dies, they'll be the ones going to jail, so why stick their necks out?
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/201 ... -ceasefire

[San Lumen]

Ok but that still does not mean police could choose not to protect or serve certain areas or groups or not uphold the law in black or hispanic neighborhood or launch a coup.

Actually it does and it has, well maybe not the coup part but the police are pretty much barely doing anything in certain cities now.

See my article last page, in Baltimore the police are basically looking the other way towards crime, crime hasn't gone down the Police are just deciding to ignore it. If they bust a criminal and something goes wrong and the criminal dies, they'll be the ones going to jail, so why stick their necks out?
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/201 ... -ceasefire

I’m sorry but that’s just wrong. Maybe if they tried to mend their relationships with the community instead of acting high and mighty there wouldn’t be so much mistrust and this childish behavior by cops. They are not infallible and in they do something wrong they deserve criticism and consequences. That does not mean they don’t deserve respect

In my city the police are actively trying to mend relationships and have more community policing and foot patrols. This might shock you but it’s working. Crime is at the lowest it’s been since the 1950s. Baltimore police could try something as ingenious as that instead of throwing temper tantrums and not doing the job for which taxpayer money pays their salaries and for their equipment

And here is a source for what I said about my city: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/27/nyre ... -2017.html

[The Lone Alliance]

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Actually it does and it has, well maybe not the coup part but the police are pretty much barely doing anything in certain cities now.

See my article last page, in Baltimore the police are basically looking the other way towards crime, crime hasn't gone down the Police are just deciding to ignore it. If they bust a criminal and something goes wrong and the criminal dies, they'll be the ones going to jail, so why stick their necks out?
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/201 ... -ceasefire

I’m sorry but that’s just wrong.

Yes it's morally wrong but that's what's happening, and it's not just happening in Baltimore, it's happening in places like Chicago too.

Maybe if they tried to mend their relationships with the community instead of acting high and mighty there wouldn’t be so much mistrust and this childish behavior by cops. In my city the police are actively trying to mend relationships and have more community policing and foot patrols.

That might work but the level of hatred will have to decrease first, right now there is still too much anger on both sides, the police are at the point of being apathetic. And a lot of the problems in Baltimore can't be fixed by more policing, a lot of the city is literally just rotting in on itself, more policing won't change things. There's also the fact that there's been around 20+ years of bad police work to have to undo.
Basically the police are likely trying to repair their image but it's going to take awhile, the only thing more foot patrols will do is have more people yelling "FUCK THE POLICE" at them.

This might shock you but it’s working. Crime is at the lowest it’s been in decades. Perhaps Baltimore police could try something as ingenious as that

There's a difference between your city and Baltimore, your city has a future, most of Baltimore has no future at the current level of economic investment.

[Des-Bal]

However recruitment reports show there is no exodus of cops. In fact the number of officers hired outpaces those who are leaving and the number of police is at its highest level ever.

Yeah this is how organizations flex.

In my city the police are actively trying to mend relationships and have more community policing and foot patrols. This might shock you but it’s working. Crime is at the lowest it’s been since the 1950s. Baltimore police could try something as ingenious as that instead of throwing temper tantrums and not doing the job for which taxpayer money pays their salaries and for their equipment

Community policing lowers crime rates but encourages police corruption.

[Infected Mushroom]

I believe the police should be 100% respected and obeyed.

If there is indeed a police exodus, then let that be a warning against the anti-police I-Know-Better-Than-The-Police culture.

[-Ocelot-]

There should be work in communities to improve people's relations with the police.

This but ironically.

[San Lumen]

I believe the police should be 100% respected and obeyed.

If there is indeed a police exodus, then let that be a warning against the anti-police I-Know-Better-Than-The-Police culture.

So cops are completely infallible in your view and can do no wrong? There is no anti police attitude in Seattle or anywhere else

[Infected Mushroom]

I believe the police should be 100% respected and obeyed.

If there is indeed a police exodus, then let that be a warning against the anti-police I-Know-Better-Than-The-Police culture.

So cops are completely infallible in your view and can do no wrong? There is no anti police attitude in Seattle or anywhere else

There definitely is. In the USA, it often feels like in terms of public opinion, the police are the enemy and not criminals. You can definitely pick it up from the way the press and social media always choose to spin things.

This is in sharp contrast to Asian countries like Singapore or Taiwan where the police are respected and looked up at. Perhaps its a side effect of Western democracy. The people are slowly turning against each other, against the police, and against their own governments.

[San Lumen]

So cops are completely infallible in your view and can do no wrong? There is no anti police attitude in Seattle or anywhere else

There definitely is. In the USA, it often feels like in terms of public opinion, the police are the enemy and not criminals. You can definitely pick it up from the way the press and social media always choose to spin things.

This is in sharp contrast to Asian countries like Singapore or Taiwan where the police are respected and looked up at. Perhaps its a side effect of Western democracy. The people are slowly turning against each other, against the police, and against their own governments.

That is completely untrue. There is a vocal minority that might be anti police but the majority are not.

You also did not answer my question

[Infected Mushroom]

There definitely is. In the USA, it often feels like in terms of public opinion, the police are the enemy and not criminals. You can definitely pick it up from the way the press and social media always choose to spin things.

This is in sharp contrast to Asian countries like Singapore or Taiwan where the police are respected and looked up at. Perhaps its a side effect of Western democracy. The people are slowly turning against each other, against the police, and against their own governments.

That is completely untrue. There is a vocal minority that might be anti police but the majority are not.

You also did not answer my question

All of my American acquaintances are like "F the Police" types. They'll get all hyped up about the slightest Facebook/Twitter/news broadcast about supposed police brutality but won't look at the bigger picture (partly because the media isn't interested in reporting it).

[San Lumen]

That is completely untrue. There is a vocal minority that might be anti police but the majority are not.

You also did not answer my question

All of my American acquaintances are like "F the Police" types. They'll get all hyped up about the slightest Facebook/Twitter/news broadcast about supposed police brutality but won't look at the bigger picture (partly because the media isn't interested in reporting it).

I don’t know anyone who thinks that. You still did not answer my question regarding if you think police are infallible