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Postby The South Falls » Mon Jul 30, 2018 5:49 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
Senkaku wrote:I mean, firstly, you'd be starting a civil war over a nonexistent issue totally unsupported by any information besides Kshama Sawant and co. saying some mean stuff pretty much, and secondly the governor would have the National Guard and the troops at Bangor and JBLM, so it'd be a pretty fuckin dumb idea

Firstly I’d revoke the 10th. Direct Rule from Washington wouldn’t be a meme. And secondly ever heard of federalizing the National Guard? And finally I’d be the fucking President, Bangor and JBLM would answer to me

Bangor, Maine is free.
Greed and Death wrote:In the case of Seattle the Police should oust the council and rule the city directly until the people of Seattle show they are fit to handle Democracy again.

Again with this coup meme? The national guard will put the shit down.
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Postby Thermodolia » Mon Jul 30, 2018 5:54 pm

The South Falls wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Firstly I’d revoke the 10th. Direct Rule from Washington wouldn’t be a meme. And secondly ever heard of federalizing the National Guard? And finally I’d be the fucking President, Bangor and JBLM would answer to me

Bangor, Maine is free.
Greed and Death wrote:In the case of Seattle the Police should oust the council and rule the city directly until the people of Seattle show they are fit to handle Democracy again.

Again with this coup meme? The national guard will put the shit down.

Not if the National Guard is under federal orders to protect the police
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Postby Greed and Death » Mon Jul 30, 2018 5:56 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
The South Falls wrote:Bangor, Maine is free.

Again with this coup meme? The national guard will put the shit down.

Not if the National Guard is under federal orders to protect the police

If IKE can nationalize the guard for civil rights than Trump can do it to maintain order. Might have to have the guard run the state of Washington.
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Postby Senkaku » Mon Jul 30, 2018 5:57 pm

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Thermodolia wrote:Not if the National Guard is under federal orders to protect the police

If IKE can nationalize the guard for civil rights than Trump can do it to maintain order. Might have to have the guard run the state of Washington.

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Postby Greed and Death » Mon Jul 30, 2018 5:59 pm

Senkaku wrote:
Greed and Death wrote:If IKE can nationalize the guard for civil rights than Trump can do it to maintain order. Might have to have the guard run the state of Washington.

"People who get their laughs by pretending to be idiots will eventually be flooded by actual idiots who mistakenly believe that they're in good company."

If it happens I bet I will be capable of positioning myself at the top of said idiots seizing power.
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Postby San Lumen » Mon Jul 30, 2018 6:01 pm

The South Falls wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Firstly I’d revoke the 10th. Direct Rule from Washington wouldn’t be a meme. And secondly ever heard of federalizing the National Guard? And finally I’d be the fucking President, Bangor and JBLM would answer to me

Bangor, Maine is free.
Greed and Death wrote:In the case of Seattle the Police should oust the council and rule the city directly until the people of Seattle show they are fit to handle Democracy again.

Again with this coup meme? The national guard will put the shit down.

and the King County Sheriff and the state police.
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Thermodolia wrote:Not if the National Guard is under federal orders to protect the police

If IKE can nationalize the guard for civil rights than Trump can do it to maintain order. Might have to have the guard run the state of Washington.


Nationalize the guard to protect the police who led a coup against the city government? Im sure that would go over real big with Congress and much of the country.

I never thought such a insane and absurd idea would turn into a several page discussion. This police coup nonsense would never happen and even if it did the perpetrators would lose their jobs and livelihoods. They would go to prison for sedition, conspiracy and probably a multitude of other charges.

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Postby Greed and Death » Mon Jul 30, 2018 6:07 pm

San Lumen wrote:
The South Falls wrote:Bangor, Maine is free.

Again with this coup meme? The national guard will put the shit down.

and the King County Sheriff and the state police.
Greed and Death wrote:If IKE can nationalize the guard for civil rights than Trump can do it to maintain order. Might have to have the guard run the state of Washington.


Nationalize the guard to protect the police who led a coup against the city government? Im sure that would go over real big with Congress and much of the country.

I never thought such a insane and absurd idea would turn into a several page discussion. This police coup nonsense would never happen and even if it did the perpetrators would lose their jobs and livelihoods. They would go to prison for sedition, conspiracy and probably a multitude of other charges.


Maybe under any other Presidency but this is the time and place for bold unheard of moves by the President to ensure his indefinite presidency.
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Postby San Lumen » Mon Jul 30, 2018 6:08 pm

Greed and Death wrote:
San Lumen wrote:and the King County Sheriff and the state police.

Nationalize the guard to protect the police who led a coup against the city government? Im sure that would go over real big with Congress and much of the country.

I never thought such a insane and absurd idea would turn into a several page discussion. This police coup nonsense would never happen and even if it did the perpetrators would lose their jobs and livelihoods. They would go to prison for sedition, conspiracy and probably a multitude of other charges.


Maybe under any other Presidency but this is the time and place for bold unheard of moves by the President to ensure his indefinite presidency.


This is utter nonsense.It would never happen
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Postby Greed and Death » Mon Jul 30, 2018 6:31 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Greed and Death wrote:
Maybe under any other Presidency but this is the time and place for bold unheard of moves by the President to ensure his indefinite presidency.


This is utter nonsense.It would never happen


I know this quote, its by everyone about the prospect of Trump becoming President.
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Postby Thermodolia » Mon Jul 30, 2018 6:39 pm

San Lumen wrote:
The South Falls wrote:Bangor, Maine is free.

Again with this coup meme? The national guard will put the shit down.

and the King County Sheriff and the state police.
Greed and Death wrote:If IKE can nationalize the guard for civil rights than Trump can do it to maintain order. Might have to have the guard run the state of Washington.


Nationalize the guard to protect the police who led a coup against the city government? Im sure that would go over real big with Congress and much of the country.

I never thought such a insane and absurd idea would turn into a several page discussion. This police coup nonsense would never happen and even if it did the perpetrators would lose their jobs and livelihoods. They would go to prison for sedition, conspiracy and probably a multitude of other charges.

You yourself have said that congress wouldn’t do shit against Trump. So why would they care when Seattle is being run by the military and police?
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Postby San Lumen » Mon Jul 30, 2018 6:41 pm

Greed and Death wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
This is utter nonsense.It would never happen


I know this quote, its by everyone about the prospect of Trump becoming President.


That is not the same thing. The idea of the SPD launching a coup is utter nonsense and so unlikely its insane someone would even suggest it. Even if it did the King County Sheriff would intervene and the Governor would bring in the National Guard to arrest those responsible and thrown them in prison. The State Attorney General would indict them as well.
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Postby San Lumen » Mon Jul 30, 2018 6:43 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
San Lumen wrote:and the King County Sheriff and the state police.

Nationalize the guard to protect the police who led a coup against the city government? Im sure that would go over real big with Congress and much of the country.

I never thought such a insane and absurd idea would turn into a several page discussion. This police coup nonsense would never happen and even if it did the perpetrators would lose their jobs and livelihoods. They would go to prison for sedition, conspiracy and probably a multitude of other charges.

You yourself have said that congress wouldn’t do shit against Trump. So why would they care when Seattle is being run by the military and police?

The State Attorney General would indict them and the Governor would bring in the National Guard. Plus the King County Sheriff and Washington State Patrol would have something to say. It would get nowhere. Why are we still discussing this utter insanity?
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Postby Thermodolia » Mon Jul 30, 2018 6:56 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:You yourself have said that congress wouldn’t do shit against Trump. So why would they care when Seattle is being run by the military and police?

The State Attorney General would indict them and the Governor would bring in the National Guard. Plus the King County Sheriff and Washington State Patrol would have something to say. It would get nowhere. Why are we still discussing this utter insanity?

You do realize that the National Guard can be federalized at any point right? That means they cannot follow the orders of the Governor but the President
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Postby San Lumen » Mon Jul 30, 2018 6:59 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
San Lumen wrote:The State Attorney General would indict them and the Governor would bring in the National Guard. Plus the King County Sheriff and Washington State Patrol would have something to say. It would get nowhere. Why are we still discussing this utter insanity?

You do realize that the National Guard can be federalized at any point right? That means they cannot follow the orders of the Governor but the President

I know And you honestly think the President even the current occupant would federalize the National Guard and support a SPD coup d'etat against the city government? Many across the country would not support that.

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Postby Telconi » Mon Jul 30, 2018 7:12 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:You yourself have said that congress wouldn’t do shit against Trump. So why would they care when Seattle is being run by the military and police?

The State Attorney General would indict them and the Governor would bring in the National Guard. Plus the King County Sheriff and Washington State Patrol would have something to say. It would get nowhere. Why are we still discussing this utter insanity?


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Postby Telconi » Mon Jul 30, 2018 7:15 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:You do realize that the National Guard can be federalized at any point right? That means they cannot follow the orders of the Governor but the President

I know And you honestly think the President even the current occupant would federalize the National Guard and support a SPD coup d'etat against the city government? Many across the country would not support that.


You're the guy who keeps insiting he could commit murder on 5th Avenue and his supporters would still support him.
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Postby San Lumen » Mon Jul 30, 2018 7:19 pm

Telconi wrote:
San Lumen wrote:I know And you honestly think the President even the current occupant would federalize the National Guard and support a SPD coup d'etat against the city government? Many across the country would not support that.


You're the guy who keeps insiting he could commit murder on 5th Avenue and his supporters would still support him.

But a police coup is utter insanity

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Postby The South Falls » Mon Jul 30, 2018 7:20 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
The South Falls wrote:Bangor, Maine is free.

Again with this coup meme? The national guard will put the shit down.

Not if the National Guard is under federal orders to protect the police

The government won't willingly force a city under police control. Seattle isn't a warzone.
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Postby San Lumen » Mon Jul 30, 2018 7:22 pm

The South Falls wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Not if the National Guard is under federal orders to protect the police

The government won't willingly force a city under police control. Seattle isn't a warzone.

Not to mention the state government would protest nor would the sheriff and state patrol be pleased

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Postby Thermodolia » Mon Jul 30, 2018 7:38 pm

San Lumen wrote:
The South Falls wrote:The government won't willingly force a city under police control. Seattle isn't a warzone.

Not to mention the state government would protest nor would the sheriff and state patrol be pleased

It’s not like they would have a choice. If I had my way the 10th would be gone.
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Postby San Lumen » Mon Jul 30, 2018 7:38 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Not to mention the state government would protest nor would the sheriff and state patrol be pleased

It’s not like they would have a choice. If I had my way the 10th would be gone.

Ok but that's not the topic.

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Postby The South Falls » Mon Jul 30, 2018 7:40 pm

Do y'all hear yourselves? A legit police coup? I can understand placing federal appointees as a complement to the city council, who can override the decisions of the city council for a few years, but a coup?
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Postby Thermodolia » Mon Jul 30, 2018 7:41 pm

The South Falls wrote:Do y'all hear yourselves? A legit police coup? I can understand placing federal appointees as a complement to the city council, who can override the decisions of the city council for a few years, but a coup?

I mean I’ve advocated a few times for a military coup of the US so...
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Postby The South Falls » Mon Jul 30, 2018 7:43 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
The South Falls wrote:Do y'all hear yourselves? A legit police coup? I can understand placing federal appointees as a complement to the city council, who can override the decisions of the city council for a few years, but a coup?

I mean I’ve advocated a few times for a military coup of the US so...

That's... Why?
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Postby San Lumen » Mon Jul 30, 2018 7:44 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
The South Falls wrote:Do y'all hear yourselves? A legit police coup? I can understand placing federal appointees as a complement to the city council, who can override the decisions of the city council for a few years, but a coup?

I mean I’ve advocated a few times for a military coup of the US so...


And the perpetrators of the police coup would be arrested by the National Guard, the King County Sheriff and the State Patrol and face sedition charges among other very serious crimes. They would at the very least be fired and probably never work as a cop or any other job again.

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