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Postby Kramanica » Sun Jul 29, 2018 11:02 am

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MANCHESTER, N.H. — Catalina Celentano used to hold training sessions for hospital workers in Lynn, Mass., to familiarize them with the cultures of patients from Cambodia, Russia and the Dominican Republic. When she moved to New Hampshire, she suddenly found herself in an ethnic vacuum.

“I went from being able to speak Spanish every day to not speaking Spanish at all because there wasn’t anybody to speak Spanish to,” said Mrs. Celentano, who was born in Colombia to a Colombian mother and Hungarian father. “The only person I spoke Spanish with was a cleaning lady and she moved back to Colombia.”

New Hampshire, like its neighbors Vermont and Maine, is nearly all white. This has posed an array of problems for new arrivals, who often find themselves isolated and alone, without the comfort and support of a built-in community.

It has also posed problems for employers in these states, who find that their homogeneity can be a barrier to recruiting and retaining workers of different ethnicities and cultural backgrounds.

The issue prompted about 100 business leaders, government officials and members of nonprofit organizations to meet Thursday to search for ways that New Hampshire — which is 94 percent white — might lure other racial and ethnic groups, as well as younger people.

Will Arvelo, New Hampshire’s director of economic development, said the gathering appeared to be the first broad-based effort in New England, if not the country, to focus on how to diversify an entire state.

With nonwhites poised to make up a majority of the American population in the next three decades, he said, diversity has become a bottom-line imperative for companies competing for talent, especially for workers who can speak other languages. As it stands, New Hampshire is 3 percent Latino, 2 percent African-American and 3 percent Asian, according to the census, with some people identifying as more than one race. The nation as a whole is 17 percent Latino, 14 percent African-American and 6 percent Asian.

“New Hampshire’s future economy is dependent on our ability to set ourselves up as a welcoming state,” Mr. Arvelo said at the meeting. “We do a great job marketing ourselves around travel and tourism. How do we use those tools to attract talent?”

The project grew out of informal talks over the last few years among a racially diverse coalition of people, including Mrs. Celentano, who say they want to change New Hampshire’s demographics. The effort is so new that it has no name. But it is drawing important players.

The gathering took place at the offices of Eversource, the energy company, where 17 percent of the company’s 8,000 employees are not white.

“We truly believe that this effort will be hugely beneficial to our business operations,” said Paula Parnagian, the diversity and inclusion manager for Eversource.

For Jerri Anne Boggis, executive director of the Black Heritage Trail of New Hampshire, in Portsmouth, N.H., the participation of major companies is a sign of the urgency of the mission.

“It’s not just the social justice groups that are doing this, it’s the businesses,” she said. “We’re talking about the economic engine of our state, and we can’t move forward without them.”

New Hampshire’s neighbors, Vermont and Maine, are 95 percent white, making northern New England collectively the whitest region in a nation where white residents make up just over 60 percent of the population, according to the census.

Northern New England does contain pockets that are less monolithic. They are concentrated in the largest communities — Portland, Me.; Burlington, Vt.; and in Manchester, N.H. In Manchester, for example, the white population has dropped to 82 percent, down from 98 percent in 1980. Since then, other ethnicities have been increasing, and as of 2016, Manchester was nearly 8 percent Hispanic, nearly 5 percent black and more than 4 percent Asian. In Lewiston, the second largest city in Maine, Somalis are well-established.

Mostly, though, Northern New England is nearly all white. The reasons stem from a variety of factors, including a lack of big urban areas, where jobs are more plentiful, a wider range of housing is available and cultural differences are a little more accepted than in smaller places.

“Northern New England is a huge collection of very, very small towns,” said Peter Francese, a demographic analyst based in Exeter, N.H.

“Housing is at the core of why there aren’t more immigrants — there’s no place for them,” he said. “An ethnic person who wants to come in with a family of four or five people is not going to find a home they can afford, and there’s almost no rental housing whatsoever.” In addition, Northern New England has the nation’s highest concentration of second homes, making the housing market especially tight.

And, he said, much of any newer housing is only for people 55 or older. If developers built housing for younger people, he said, they would likely have children, which means a need for schools, which means higher property taxes — anathema in a place like New Hampshire, which has no income tax.

Maine, Vermont and New Hampshire also have some of the nation’s oldest populations. More people are dying here than being born, forcing these states to grapple with the consequences of their limited demographics.

The irony is that with their own populations stagnant, these states must look to outsiders if they want to grow.

“We have true work force needs,” said Loretta Brady, a psychology professor at St. Anselm College, who has worked with the Manchester Chamber of Commerce on matters of diversity and participated in Thursday’s conference.

“We have 2.7 percent unemployment, an opioid crisis that has significantly impacted employability and the reality of an aging population that will absolutely require direct service care at some point,” said Ms. Brady. “And we don’t have a pipeline of talent that’s going to support that.”

Part of the problem, Rogers J. Johnson, president of the Seacoast N.A.A.C.P., told the group, was “a lack of recognition as to the seriousness of this problem.” He said that many people in New Hampshire view race as an issue in the South but not in the North.

In workshops and panel discussions, people wrestled with ways New Hampshire could draw people of different backgrounds. Their suggestions included: a better understanding of licensing and skills that refugees bring with them so they could more easily work here; a system of rewarding businesses that hire a more diverse array of workers; a central location with a database, speakers’ bureau and training opportunities that could help companies understand what “diversity and inclusion” means and how it could benefit them, and a focus on keeping workers as much as hiring them in the first place, since many leave after finding the state inhospitable.

“We haven’t even talked about housing and transportation,” Mrs. Celentano, who used to teach cultural training in Massachusetts and is now a community relations specialist for Eversource, told the group. In the workshop she participated in, she said, people asked: “How do we bring in millennials when they can’t afford housing or can’t get from Point A to Point B?”

She said in an interview later that the lack of certain basic services also made settling in places like New Hampshire difficult for minorities. These include hair salons that cater to African-American women, she said, as well as restaurants and supermarkets that offer ethnic foods and stores that sell traditional clothing.

The next step? Another meeting soon.

“At some point we have to pull the string and say what’s coming out of here,” Mr. Arvelo, the state director of economic development, said. “The pressure is on us to perform and to be able to prove that this is not a one-off meeting, that it’s a sustained effort.”

As you can see here, The New York Times (a known right-wing conspiracy theorist site) states that a cabal of various business leaders and activists are meeting to discuss ways to make the state of New Hampshire less white ("diversify" is basically a synonym for making something less white). So, my question to NSG is this: is New Hampshire too white and should it be made less white? And if so, should this effort be expanded to other parts of the country? Should Detroit, which is 84% black, be made less black? Should California be made less Hispanic? What is the optimal number of each ethnic group to have in a given area? There are many questions that I have.

I don't really care much for what the ethnic makeup of a given area naturally is. I think that places should be left alone and shouldn't have their makeup interfered with by some unnamed cabal of people in high up positions. I would also like to question how this isn't deliberately racist. Replace "white" with any other ethnic group and you come out sounding like the KKK.

What say ye, NSG?
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Postby Indo-Malaysian Puppet » Sun Jul 29, 2018 11:03 am

There is no such thing as too white.

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Postby San Lumen » Sun Jul 29, 2018 11:06 am

While I’m all for diversity and multiculturalism too white is a ridiculous terminology. You cannot force diversity on a town or state. If non whites don’t want to reside somewhere then so be it
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Postby Firaxin » Sun Jul 29, 2018 11:06 am

Nobody should be forced to move for "diversity's" sake

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Postby Ostroeuropa » Sun Jul 29, 2018 11:09 am

NY Times running with calling places too white and other mainstream papers running with things like why can't we hate men.

This is what social progressive narratives do to a society, because at their core, they're simply racism and sexism repackaged, given a new set of rationalizations for treating others with contempt/hostility/lesser treatment, and then set loose.

They have been escalating in their hatred and contempt for others because that's simply what our media does, it escalates things for sensationalism. That hyper-progressivism is fairly blatant sexism and racism is an indication normal-progressivism is likewise fundamentally racist and sexist, and the media has exaggerated these core traits by taking their assertions, dogmas, and axioms to their logical extreme conclusion.

The only way we'll deal with these toxic ideas is by rejecting the social progressive movement and recognizing its narrative for what it is.
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Postby Nationalist Gold Union » Sun Jul 29, 2018 11:11 am

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Postby Kramanica » Sun Jul 29, 2018 11:12 am

Ostroeuropa wrote:NY Times running with calling places too white and other mainstream papers running with things like why can't we hate men.

This is what social progressive narratives do to a society, because at their core, they're simply racism and sexism repackaged, given a new set of rationalizations for treating others with contempt/hostility/lesser treatment, and then set loose.

They have been escalating in their hatred and contempt for others because that's simply what our media does, it escalates things for sensationalism. That hyper-progressivism is fairly blatant sexism and racism is an indication that it is fundamentally racist and sexist, and the media has exagerrated these core traits by taking their assertions, dogmas, and axioms to their logical extreme conclusion.

How do we make New Hamphsire less progressive?
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Postby Valgora » Sun Jul 29, 2018 11:13 am

How can a state be... "too white"?
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Man, shit like this must make natsocs and the Klan and the alt-right all sorts of happy lol. This is just free marketing for them.
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There's no such thing as too white.
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Kramanica wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:NY Times running with calling places too white and other mainstream papers running with things like why can't we hate men.

This is what social progressive narratives do to a society, because at their core, they're simply racism and sexism repackaged, given a new set of rationalizations for treating others with contempt/hostility/lesser treatment, and then set loose.

They have been escalating in their hatred and contempt for others because that's simply what our media does, it escalates things for sensationalism. That hyper-progressivism is fairly blatant sexism and racism is an indication that it is fundamentally racist and sexist, and the media has exagerrated these core traits by taking their assertions, dogmas, and axioms to their logical extreme conclusion.

How do we make New Hamphsire less progressive?


Fucked it I know mate. Question of the century/decade right there, how do we get rid of these people?
They're deeply unpopular, but they cling on to institutional power nonetheless and spread their toxic ideas and implement prejudiced reforms.

We can't vote out Journalists and professors, and they gatekeep those professions for others who share their prejudice. If anyone should be no-platformed because they're abusing authority to spread misinformation, hatred, and so on, its social progressives.

I suppose just refuse to support progressives whenever you're able and encouraging others to do the same. Keep pointing out what's wrong with these people and why they should be ashamed of themselves and so on, and hope to god a population has more purchase over its culture than institutions of power staffed with bigots do.
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Postby The South Falls » Sun Jul 29, 2018 11:15 am

Alright, stop. This is just "Look at the left, they suck!" for nazism. You can't force people to move to your area.
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Postby Idzequitch » Sun Jul 29, 2018 11:15 am

Trying to force racial diversity for its own sake is just a different form of racism in all honesty.
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Postby Alalil » Sun Jul 29, 2018 11:17 am

No, there's no such thing as too white. Let the mainstream media keep pushing this narrative though, let them reap what they sow.

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When i saw the title i thought this is some question made an sjw kiddo, i was already going to say "i think that i don't like NSG summer anymore". Btw, i never heard The New York Times being called "a known right-wing conspiracy theorist site", and if there's a "cabal of powerful personalities" strong enough to do whatever the frick this is, at least they must be aware of reality.
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Ostroeuropa wrote:
Kramanica wrote:How do we make New Hamphsire less progressive?


Fucked it I know mate. Question of the century/decade right there, how do we get rid of these people?
They're deeply unpopular, but they cling on to institutional power nonetheless and spread their toxic ideas and implement prejudiced reforms.

We can't vote out Journalists and professors, and they gatekeep those professions for others who share their prejudice.

I suppose just refuse to support progressives whenever you're able and encouraging others to do the same. Keep pointing out what's wrong with these people and why they should be ashamed of themselves and so on, and hope to god a population has more purchase over its culture than institutions of power staffed with bigots do.

What pisses me off is that these people behind this aren't average Joes. They're government officials, business leaders and social activists. They're the elite and they're trying to socially engineer the ethnic makeup of a state without giving a fuck what the actual people think or want. They need to be removed.
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-United Republic of Freedonia wrote:When i saw the title i thought this is some question made an sjw kiddo, i was already going to say "i think that i don't like NSG summer anymore". Btw, i never heard The New York Times being called "a known right-wing conspiracy theorist site", and if there's a "cabal of powerful personalities" strong enough to do whatever the frick this is, at least they must be aware of reality.


Progressives in the media have been openly vilifying and hating men for decades now, and have moved on to repeat their tactics for white people. The other day major newspapers ran with "Why can't we hate men?" and arguing for why it's okay and so on. In a couple of years, that'll be white people too. It's how their toxic ideology operates and interacts with the world, how it causes them to view certain populations. It's nothing but a tool of dehumanization and hatred. When their ideological framework is applied to a target, the result is prejudice, oppression, and so on. That's all they and their ideas are good for.
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Postby The South Falls » Sun Jul 29, 2018 11:19 am

Alalil wrote:No, there's no such thing as too white. Let the mainstream media keep pushing this narrative though, let them reap what they sow.

The mainstream media aren't behind this. Do you listen to breitbart radio or something?
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Postby The Two Jerseys » Sun Jul 29, 2018 11:20 am

God forbid that people assimilate to the local culture when they move somewhere else.

If you can't handle the fact that the place where you moved isn't like home, just do everyone a favor and go back where you came from instead of trying to force changes upon everyone else.
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I mean it -is- the state that gave us The Red Pill.
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Diversity for the sake of diversity is stupid. By all means, promote a place as a good place to work and live and hope skilled and or interested people from across the world move there, but trying to get people to move to a place simply to make it look more diverse is just stupid. All this kind of thing does is give the likes of the Alt Right more ammunition to spew shit about
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Postby Kramanica » Sun Jul 29, 2018 11:22 am

Ostroeuropa wrote:
-United Republic of Freedonia wrote:When i saw the title i thought this is some question made an sjw kiddo, i was already going to say "i think that i don't like NSG summer anymore". Btw, i never heard The New York Times being called "a known right-wing conspiracy theorist site", and if there's a "cabal of powerful personalities" strong enough to do whatever the frick this is, at least they must be aware of reality.


Progressives in the media have been openly vilifying and hating men for decades now, and have moved on to repeat their tactics for white people. The other day major newspapers ran with "Why can't we hate men?" and arguing for why it's okay and so on. In a couple of years, that'll be white people too. It's how their toxic ideology operates and interacts with the world, how it causes them to view certain populations. It's nothing but a tool of dehumanization and hatred. When their ideological framework is applied to a target, the result is prejudice, oppression, and so on. That's all they and their ideas are good for.

What newspapers were this? Do you have a link? Not doubting you. Just wanna read the absurdity for myself.
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Just let NH be NH, and everything will be alright. Honestly, I just don't understand journalism these days, if it even still counts as journalism.

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Postby The South Falls » Sun Jul 29, 2018 11:23 am

The Huskar Social Union wrote:Diversity for the sake of diversity is stupid. By all means, promote a place as a good place to work and live and hope skilled and or interested people from across the world move there, but trying to get people to move to a place simply to make it look more diverse is just stupid. All this kind of thing does is give the likes of the Alt Right more ammunition to spew shit about

Exactly. It makes them say "Look at these progressives. They're fucking shit, so let's do it back! White ethno state!". People need to see that diversity for diversities sake is stupid.
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Kramanica wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:
Progressives in the media have been openly vilifying and hating men for decades now, and have moved on to repeat their tactics for white people. The other day major newspapers ran with "Why can't we hate men?" and arguing for why it's okay and so on. In a couple of years, that'll be white people too. It's how their toxic ideology operates and interacts with the world, how it causes them to view certain populations. It's nothing but a tool of dehumanization and hatred. When their ideological framework is applied to a target, the result is prejudice, oppression, and so on. That's all they and their ideas are good for.

What newspapers were this? Do you have a link? Not doubting you. Just wanna read the absurdity for myself.


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