Soviet Union Wins Cold War

[The South Falls]

The modern concept of "gay automated space communism" is left-libertarian, not left-authoritarian (in fact, homosexuality was illegal in the Soviet Union since 1933 and was decriminalised by the Russian Federation in 1993)

I'm not entirely sure I want a thread about an communist-nations-only alternative history to devolve into a thread about Russian homosexuality, much as I hasten to have kicked it all off...

I thought Russia was totally against all talking about homosexuality.

[LiberNovusAmericae]

I prefer liberal democratic capitalism, to the totalitarian nature of the soviets. I like freedoms like freedom of speech, press, petition, and assembly far too much, and I believe that people should have the right to own property.

If it's Kruschev than the world eventually liberalizes into a democratic-communist society. If Brezhnev than the world becomes a totalitarian state-capitalist hellhole (not unlike China).

It's amazing that every single time communism becomes a horror show, communists falsely claim it was "state capitalist". That excuse is nothing more than a no true Scotsman fallacy.

[Freezic Vast]

Aliens would have to actually exist and the Soviets would need the smarts and technology to do such a thing to win, so no.

[Infected Mushroom]

I prefer liberal democratic capitalism, to the totalitarian nature of the soviets. I like freedoms like freedom of speech, press, petition, and assembly far too much, and I believe that people should have the right to own property.

If it's Kruschev than the world eventually liberalizes into a democratic-communist society. If Brezhnev than the world becomes a totalitarian state-capitalist hellhole (not unlike China).

It's amazing that every single time communism becomes a horror show, communists falsely claim it was "state capitalist". That excuse is nothing more than a no true Scotsman fallacy.

What about Exploitation?

I've been told by a program manager that capitalism is based on Exploitation.

[Internationalist Bastard]

Yeah no fuck that noise
At least half the people on this forum would be dead

[The Empire of Pretantia]

We all would be dead in this timeline.

BTW this is literally half of Posadism. Somehow with yet another stupid scenario, you are not bringing any new ideas to the table.

So essentially the Tau came down to Earth and wiped out the rest of the world except the fellow communists. Alright then.


I'd shoot myself. No way am I living under the Soviet Union; much less an all-powerful world dominating Soviet Union.

>Tau
>Communist
When will this meme die?

Not all of that was Stalin. Afghanistan wasn't. Their military doctrine remained the same throughout their existence. You want more stuff that isn't Stalin?

Here

You

Go

All empires crush rebellions. Its standard practice.

Most empires are also some level of shittiness that warrants resistance.

Even if the Soviet Union and the Warsaw Pact Members are able to achieve an actual, good Economy the extreme totalitarianism, extreme punishments, and lack of Political or Civil freedom makes me want to prefer living in a Democracy. No thanks.

Isn't voting a waste of time though?

The Soviet Union was a textbook example of why lack of civil and political freedom is bad.

Because they were worse than us in pretty much every way possible lol

but our current timeline has been taken over by corporate overlords... and the current materialistic, overwork office culture is terrible. This entire Go Getter mentality is terrible. Not to mention in many areas such as gun control, the USA has very clearly blown it.

Sorry, we don't live in that timeline.

I prefer liberal democratic capitalism, to the totalitarian nature of the soviets. I like freedoms like freedom of speech, press, petition, and assembly far too much, and I believe that people should have the right to own property.

It's amazing that every single time communism becomes a horror show, communists falsely claim it was "state capitalist". That excuse is nothing more than a no true Scotsman fallacy.

What about Exploitation?

I've been told by a program manager that capitalism is based on Exploitation.

Tell that program manager to stop reading Marx.

[United Muscovite Nations]

I feel like you could have constructed a much more realistic way the Soviet Union could have won the Cold War than Posadism.

[Internationalist Bastard]

I prefer liberal democratic capitalism, to the totalitarian nature of the soviets. I like freedoms like freedom of speech, press, petition, and assembly far too much, and I believe that people should have the right to own property.

It's amazing that every single time communism becomes a horror show, communists falsely claim it was "state capitalist". That excuse is nothing more than a no true Scotsman fallacy.

What about Exploitation?

I've been told by a program manager that capitalism is based on Exploitation.

The exploited workers in capitalism get to go home and complain
The exploited workers under the Soviet Union would get sent off to the gulag for complaining

[The Empire of Pretantia]

I feel like you could have constructed a much more realistic way the Soviet Union could have won the Cold War than Posadism.

Posadism is the only realistic way Communism could've won tbh.

What about Exploitation?

I've been told by a program manager that capitalism is based on Exploitation.

The exploited workers in capitalism get to go home and complain
The exploited workers under the Soviet Union would get sent off to the gulag for complaining

But Gulag was disbanded after Stalin transcended :^)

[United Muscovite Nations]

I feel like you could have constructed a much more realistic way the Soviet Union could have won the Cold War than Posadism.

Posadism is the only realistic way Communism could've won tbh.

If the protests of 1968 in France had escalated, then the Soviet Union probably would have won.

[The Two Jerseys]

Imagine an alternate historical timeline where the Soviet Union and its allies won the Cold War in the 1960s. Everyone else except for the Warsaw Pact nations are gone.

In this scenario, they win because in the 1960s aliens realised Soviet Communism was somehow invaluable to universal balance; aliens arrive on Earth, instantly destroys/obliterates 100% of all non-Warsaw-Pact countries before departing and never returning all in the blink of an eye.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

Posadism is the only realistic way Communism could've won tbh.

If the protests of 1968 in France had escalated, then the Soviet Union probably would have won.

Too unrealistic :^)

[Die PreuBen Kaiserreich]

Aliens would have to actually exist and the Soviets would need the smarts and technology to do such a thing to win, so no.

Aliens do exist somewhere out there. No promises they came to Earth, though.

[Engleberg]

I’d join a resistance against the Soviets, or just shoot myself as someone said already.

“Better dead than red,” and the Soviet Union was an evil evil state.

[Petrolheadia]

I think I will take my chances with the Soviet Union.

Shucks and fits.

Its less "sink or swim"

That's how you don't get shit done.

An example of where this attitude goes was when production of the Fiat 126 was transferred from Italy to Polish People's Republic. When the Germans, the first ones to get the cars, got them, they immediately declared all of them lemons by the Western standards.

Or the Soviet Rubin TVs, known for catching fire.

and while there's bound to be some corruption, it at least tries to live up to ideals of honour, equality, patriotism

No, it was another corrupt 2nd World country.

The lack of elections wouldn't bother me and it would honestly be very refreshing to live in a system where you are not socially expected to be a Go Getter in the capitalist sense.

As I said above.

Also, there would be no gun violence.

Because nobody would ever illegally have a gun (or legally, by being a registered hunter). No, never, no siree.

If anything, the lack of meaningful elections is incredibly refreshing.

What the...

I would like to join the Soviet police force and be stationed in somewhere nice like the Czech Republic.

Do you also want to join the California Highway Patrol to work in the state of West Nevada?

I've been told by a program manager that capitalism is based on Exploitation.

So, some bullshitter with not much qualifications formed your views?

[Thermodolia]

Yes. The Tau. You know, the blue space communists with the lasers? Those Tau.

Why do I not like the Soviet Union? Hm. Well, let's see. I in general dislike Marxist theory, communism especially, and then there's things such as...

- This

- This

- This alone (lmao)

- All of these

- This too

- Soviets poking their heads into the sands here

- This entire theory

- Their military strategy being "throw enough shit at the fan and eventually it'll jam"..

The list goes on.

I have plenty of reasons not to like the Soviet Union.

Oh yes, wikipedia is such a great source for researching communism! Marx resigned!

How about you don't use a source that unironically uses the Black Book of Communism as a source.

[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Number_of_deaths_in_the_Soviet_Union_under_Joseph_Stalin[/url] -This alone invalidates your argument

How does that invalidate any argument? I’m pretty leftist myself and yet I don’t deny that Stalin was a cold blooded killer.

[Infected Mushroom]

I feel like you could have constructed a much more realistic way the Soviet Union could have won the Cold War than Posadism.

what do you suggest?

[Oil exporting People]

[Bakery Hill]

Posadism is the only realistic way Communism could've won tbh.

If the protests of 1968 in France had escalated, then the Soviet Union probably would have won.

Ah, but you see that requires the Western European Stalinist parties to have half a brain between the politburo.

[Oil exporting People]

There was no chance of 1968 working; unarmed students against a still effective military would've only ended one way.

[Bakery Hill]

There was no chance of 1968 working; unarmed students against a still effective military would've only ended one way.

It wasn't just students, they just get all the attention as always. 11 million workers, 22% of the French population, was on wildcat strike for two weeks. If the PCF and CGT backed it properly it would have been very serious.

[Oil exporting People]

There was no chance of 1968 working; unarmed students against a still effective military would've only ended one way.

It wasn't just students, they just get all the attention as always. 11 million workers, 22% of the French population, was on wildcat strike for two weeks. If the PCF and CGT backed it properly it would have been very serious.

They also weren't advocating for Socialist revolution, nor could the PCF find any common ground with the other Leftists; the Socialists and Communists could never forge a common front in the Post-War era because the Socialists refused to be subordinated.

[Bakery Hill]

It wasn't just students, they just get all the attention as always. 11 million workers, 22% of the French population, was on wildcat strike for two weeks. If the PCF and CGT backed it properly it would have been very serious.

They also weren't advocating for Socialist revolution, nor could the PCF find any common ground with the other Leftists; the Socialists and Communists could never forge a common front in the Post-War era because the Socialists refused to be subordinated.

Not all those on strike were advocating for revolution, but a massive amount of the population was. Your point about the PCF is right, and as I said to UMN that's why I think 68 could not have succeeded. They were so tied to Soviet foreign policy that they missed the greatest real genuine opportunity for power they've ever had.

[Oil exporting People]

They also weren't advocating for Socialist revolution, nor could the PCF find any common ground with the other Leftists; the Socialists and Communists could never forge a common front in the Post-War era because the Socialists refused to be subordinated.

Not all those on strike were advocating for revolution, but a massive amount of the population was. Your point about the PCF is right, and as I said to UMN that's why I think 68 could not have succeeded. They were so tied to Soviet foreign policy that they missed the greatest real genuine opportunity for power they've ever had.

As I said though, the Army was still effective and France is cut off from Soviet support by the rest of NATO. It'd be a re-run of 1871 all over again.

[-United Republic of Freedonia]

IM, actually Vietnam was an ally of the USSR, they got support from the Soviets during the Sino-Vietnamese War.
I would ask which part of the 60's the Not!Tau came, maybe Kruschev gets a change of heart and transforms the USSR into something decent (still Autoritarian and Communist, but tolerable), maybe he gets overthown and we get an Not!Stalin or something Brezhnev-esque, an gerontocratic oligarchy that's somewhat bad.
Also i would see possible the Eastern European nations sayin: "Hey Daddy, the imperialist dogs are gone!, we can leave now?".

My biggest regret though is that in this timeline there would likely be no Vladimir Putin. I really like the Uncle Vlad model of government too... but you can't have everything

There's some ATLs here and there that have Putin as General-Secretary.