U.S. Military murders Reuters' reporters. Covers it up.

[Ravea]

I can't watch the video I never seen someone die in real life, and don't intended to.

But from what I'm reading on this forum about it, it sounds truly disgusting.

Wait... You post in the general forums of internet sites and you have never seen a video or picture of someone dieing?


Shit, I am desensitized to gore anymore. Hell, I think most of these videos are pretty badass.

That's kind of sick. Even watching someone killed in legitimate combat...that's messed up.

[Soyut]

Honestly, this is the kind of defeatist bs attitude that gets our soldiers killed. First and foremost, look up the word murder. Secondly, when you create an aura around the troops forcing them to second guess every decision they make in a combat zone you are in a sense, contributing to their demise.

Filling journalists full of holes and shooting children is never justified. It's clearly murder.

You mean journalists peering around corners with a big black rpg looking camera aimed right at a US gunship?

or the children that weren't visible inside a minivan that drove up to a scene and attempted to evac a suspected insurgent that was engaged just minutes prior?


Stupidity on the part of those killed, not murder.

An RPG - looking camera? lol. What kind of camera looks like an RPG? A black shoulder mounted panasonic? Why can't a journalist take a picture of a helicopter without fear of being shot at?

As for the children in the van. They probably didn't think they would get shot at for trying to save a wounded reporter. Perhaps they happened to drive by and see a bleeding man crawling in the street. Whatever their reasons, I don't think they were far-fetched.

[United Russian State]

Honestly, this is the kind of defeatist bs attitude that gets our soldiers killed. First and foremost, look up the word murder. Secondly, when you create an aura around the troops forcing them to second guess every decision they make in a combat zone you are in a sense, contributing to their demise.

Pretty much that. In that RT video, you can't even really tell those children are those children, for all they knew those children were not children and holding weapons.

[Parthenon]

Shit, I am desensitized to gore anymore. Hell, I think most of these videos are pretty badass.

That's disgusting. It'd be disgusting even if they were insurgents with an RPG and AK-47s.

I don't know how many times I tried to convince my parents to let me drop out of school so I could join up and light up some insurgents...

At least 10 I would guess.

[Ravea]

Eh, people die in war. Civilians are not excluded from this. Get over it.

So massacring civilians is fine, so long as it's in wartime?

[Ravea]

Shit, I am desensitized to gore anymore. Hell, I think most of these videos are pretty badass.

That's disgusting. It'd be disgusting even if they were insurgents with an RPG and AK-47s.

I don't know how many times I tried to convince my parents to let me drop out of school so I could join up and light up some insurgents...

At least 10 I would guess.

Uh. Why would you try to convince your parents of anything? If you wanted to satisfy a death fetish, couldn't you just join when you were old enough?

[Parthenon]

Honestly, this is the kind of defeatist bs attitude that gets our soldiers killed. First and foremost, look up the word murder. Secondly, when you create an aura around the troops forcing them to second guess every decision they make in a combat zone you are in a sense, contributing to their demise.

Filling journalists full of holes and shooting children is never justified. It's clearly murder.

You mean journalists peering around corners with a big black rpg looking camera aimed right at a US gunship?

or the children that weren't visible inside a minivan that drove up to a scene and attempted to evac a suspected insurgent that was engaged just minutes prior?


Stupidity on the part of those killed, not murder.

An RPG - looking camera? lol. What kind of camera looks like an RPG? A black shoulder mounted panasonic? Why can't a journalist take a picture of a helicopter without fear of being shot at?

As for the children in the van. They probably didn't think they would get shot at for trying to save a wounded reporter. Perhaps they happened to drive by and see a bleeding man crawling in the street. Whatever their reasons, I don't think they were far-fetched.

As others have mentioned, if you are going to parade around with armed insurgents you have no right to safety.

[Greater Americania]

So massacring civilians is fine, so long as it's in wartime?

Nothing to whine about over the internet. I never said it was right, it's just not a big deal.

[United Russian State]

Honestly, this is the kind of defeatist bs attitude that gets our soldiers killed. First and foremost, look up the word murder. Secondly, when you create an aura around the troops forcing them to second guess every decision they make in a combat zone you are in a sense, contributing to their demise.

Filling journalists full of holes and shooting children is never justified. It's clearly murder.

You mean journalists peering around corners with a big black rpg looking camera aimed right at a US gunship?

or the children that weren't visible inside a minivan that drove up to a scene and attempted to evac a suspected insurgent that was engaged just minutes prior?


Stupidity on the part of those killed, not murder.

An RPG - looking camera? lol. What kind of camera looks like an RPG? A black shoulder mounted panasonic? Why can't a journalist take a picture of a helicopter without fear of being shot at?

As for the children in the van. They probably didn't think they would get shot at for trying to save a wounded reporter. Perhaps they happened to drive by and see a bleeding man crawling in the street. Whatever their reasons, I don't think they were far-fetched.

As others have mentioned, if you are going to parade around with armed insurgents you have no right to safety.

I wonder who had the great idea of going next to armed militants in a war zone.

[Parthenon]

Shit, I am desensitized to gore anymore. Hell, I think most of these videos are pretty badass.

That's disgusting. It'd be disgusting even if they were insurgents with an RPG and AK-47s.

I don't know how many times I tried to convince my parents to let me drop out of school so I could join up and light up some insurgents...

At least 10 I would guess.

Uh. Why would you try to convince your parents of anything? If you wanted to satisfy a death fetish, couldn't you just join when you were old enough?

Eh, they were paying for my undergrad.

[Soyut]

I'm not trusting this video until it's verified by a reputable source.

EDIT- If this video is legit, they'd have violated the RoE if I'm not mistaken and it actually would be murder, as opposed to killing.

Does this count?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/04/05/wikileaks-exposes-video-o_n_525569.html

WikiLeaks Web site today released harrowing until-now secret video of a U.S. Army Apache helicopter in Baghdad in 2007 repeatedly opening fire on a group of men that included a Reuters photographer and his driver -- and then on a van that stopped to rescue one of the wounded men.

None of the members of the group were taking hostile action, contrary to the Pentagon's initial cover story; they were milling about on a street corner. One man was evidently carrying a gun, though that was and is hardly an uncommon occurrence in Baghdad.

Reporters working for WikiLeaks determined that the driver of the van was a good Samaritan on his way to take his small children to a tutoring session. He was killed and his two children were badly injured.

In the video, which Reuters has been asking to see since 2007, crew members can be heard celebrating their kills.

"Oh yeah, look at those dead bastards," says one crewman after multiple rounds of 30mm cannon fire left nearly a dozen bodies littering the street.

A crewman begs for permission to open fire on the van and its occupants, even though it has done nothing but stop to help the wounded: "Come on, let us shoot!"

[Ermarian]

Just because you found a word in Webster's doesn't mean its applicable. It was a legal action, as such, not murder.


Btw, whoever made this video is a fucking idiot...

A Bradley is not a tank.

Yeah, alot of the commentary is skewed. I wish the people who presented this were a little more objective about the information. The George Orwell quote at the beginning is completely unnecessary.

I suggest watching the unedited 40 minute clip; it contains no commentary or editing other than captions for the radio transmissions.

[Buffett and Colbert]

Shit, I am desensitized to gore anymore. Hell, I think most of these videos are pretty badass.

That's disgusting. It'd be disgusting even if they were insurgents with an RPG and AK-47s.

I don't know how many times I tried to convince my parents to let me drop out of school so I could join up and light up some insurgents...

At least 10 I would guess.

Troll

[Soyut]

Eh, people die in war. Civilians are not excluded from this. Get over it.

What a sad thing to say.

[Greater Americania]

What a sad thing to say.

The reality of the world can be sad at times. War is not the business of the faint at heart.

[Buffett and Colbert]

Does this count?

Nope. I don't trust the Huffington Post (especially for something like this). If it's on the NY Times, Washington Post, CNN, BBC, Reuters, etc, then I'll consider it legit. It probably is and I just don't want it to be, to tell you the truth though...

[Parthenon]

Shit, I am desensitized to gore anymore. Hell, I think most of these videos are pretty badass.

That's disgusting. It'd be disgusting even if they were insurgents with an RPG and AK-47s.

I don't know how many times I tried to convince my parents to let me drop out of school so I could join up and light up some insurgents...

At least 10 I would guess.

Troll

Right, because wanting to serve my country and eliminate those that intend to kill Americans makes me a troll...

GOOD ONE!

[Buffett and Colbert]

What a sad thing to say.

The reality of the world can be sad at times. War is not the business of the faint at heart.

Apparently it's the business of trigger happy sadists.

[Buffett and Colbert]

Shit, I am desensitized to gore anymore. Hell, I think most of these videos are pretty badass.

That's disgusting. It'd be disgusting even if they were insurgents with an RPG and AK-47s.

I don't know how many times I tried to convince my parents to let me drop out of school so I could join up and light up some insurgents...

At least 10 I would guess.

Troll

Right, because wanting to serve my country and eliminate those that intend to kill Americans makes me a troll...

GOOD ONE!

No, you simply threw that fact in there to incite a reaction.

[Soyut]

Honestly, this is the kind of defeatist bs attitude that gets our soldiers killed. First and foremost, look up the word murder. Secondly, when you create an aura around the troops forcing them to second guess every decision they make in a combat zone you are in a sense, contributing to their demise.

Filling journalists full of holes and shooting children is never justified. It's clearly murder.

You mean journalists peering around corners with a big black rpg looking camera aimed right at a US gunship?

or the children that weren't visible inside a minivan that drove up to a scene and attempted to evac a suspected insurgent that was engaged just minutes prior?


Stupidity on the part of those killed, not murder.

An RPG - looking camera? lol. What kind of camera looks like an RPG? A black shoulder mounted panasonic? Why can't a journalist take a picture of a helicopter without fear of being shot at?

As for the children in the van. They probably didn't think they would get shot at for trying to save a wounded reporter. Perhaps they happened to drive by and see a bleeding man crawling in the street. Whatever their reasons, I don't think they were far-fetched.

As others have mentioned, if you are going to parade around with armed insurgents you have no right to safety.

First of all, when the U.S. military declares the street in front of your house a warzone, where else are you supposed to walk? Second, its very common to carry guns in Baghdad. it doesn't mean they are insurgents and it doesn't give the military the right to shoot innocent people not holding weapons.

[Melkor Unchained]

Shit, I am desensitized to gore anymore. Hell, I think most of these videos are pretty badass.

That's disgusting. It'd be disgusting even if they were insurgents with an RPG and AK-47s.

I don't know how many times I tried to convince my parents to let me drop out of school so I could join up and light up some insurgents...

At least 10 I would guess.

Troll

Right, because wanting to serve my country and eliminate those that intend to kill Americans makes me a troll...

GOOD ONE!

No, you simply threw that fact in there to incite a reaction.

Color me unimpressed.

[Buffett and Colbert]

Shit, I am desensitized to gore anymore. Hell, I think most of these videos are pretty badass.

That's disgusting. It'd be disgusting even if they were insurgents with an RPG and AK-47s.

I don't know how many times I tried to convince my parents to let me drop out of school so I could join up and light up some insurgents...

At least 10 I would guess.

Troll

Right, because wanting to serve my country and eliminate those that intend to kill Americans makes me a troll...

GOOD ONE!

No, you simply threw that fact in there to incite a reaction.

Color me unimpressed.

I never said I thought it was actionable, simply disgusting (but utterly predictable, I might add).

[Greater Americania]

Apparently it's the business of trigger happy sadists.

If I was in a country full of people who hated me and wanted me out to such an extent that they leave bombs at the side of the road to blow my humvees up daily, shoot at me with RPGs, and attempt to gun me down with AK-47's, I'd be a little looser on the trigger as well. I'd rather kill the guy who might be about to kill me than to pay the price for it and die in the next second. That's not sick or sadistic. It's the basic human instinct for survival.

[Soyut]

Does this count?

Nope. I don't trust the Huffington Post (especially for something like this). If it's on the NY Times, Washington Post, CNN, BBC, Reuters, etc, then I'll consider it legit. It probably is and I just don't want it to be, to tell you the truth though...

Fair enough, I don't like them either. How about the BBC then?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8603938.stm

The video is of high quality and appears to be authentic, the BBC's Adam Brookes in Washington says. It is accompanied by a recording of the pilots' radio transmissions and those of US troops on the ground.

[Buffett and Colbert]

Does this count?

Nope. I don't trust the Huffington Post (especially for something like this). If it's on the NY Times, Washington Post, CNN, BBC, Reuters, etc, then I'll consider it legit. It probably is and I just don't want it to be, to tell you the truth though...

Fair enough, I don't like them either. How about the BBC then?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8603938.stm

The video is of high quality and appears to be authentic, the BBC's Adam Brookes in Washington says. It is accompanied by a recording of the pilots' radio transmissions and those of US troops on the ground.

Now I'm convinced. Thanks.

*sigh*