Banning Nazis from discourse

[Sick Jumps]

Yeah, Belarus and Cuba should really get on top of their game and pass some laws to ban Communism.

That's not what I am saying, I personally don't like Communism, but the fact is the ideology of Communism still is a relevant threat.

In terms of posing an internal political threat to the West, I don't see it as a massive issue in most countries (there are some exceptions, though). I do see right wing populism and far rightists as a growing problem. Now, I don't think their speech should be banned, but I'd say they're the bigger problem right now. They are the fastest growing and most destabilizing force in most nations.

The problem you are seeing on the left is a collapse of the center-left parties. This is going to put pressure on the left wing to become more extreme and populist. This has yet to translate into big electoral gains for the far left in most places, but I can easily see it happening within the next 10 years or so.

[Khataiy]

That's not what I am saying, I personally don't like Communism, but the fact is the ideology of Communism still is a relevant threat.

In terms of posing an internal political threat to the West, I don't see it as a massive issue in most countries (there are some exceptions, though). I do see right wing populism and far rightists as a growing problem. Now, I don't think their speech should be banned, but I'd say they're the bigger problem in most nations. They are the fastest growing and most destabilizing force in most nations.

The problem you are seeing on the left is a collapse of the center-left parties. This is going to put pressure on the left wing to become more extreme and populist. This has yet to translate into big electoral gains for the far left in most places, but I can easily see it happening within the next 10 years or so.

I don't disagree with you, but to totally rule out Communism as a non-threat or non-issue is simply naive in my opinion.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

How much influence do they have?

Then it isn't communist.

No it's not. In fact, there's a constitutional reform under way to make Cuba socialist.

To who?

Yeah, if. Right now, Cuba is economically and militarily weak, hence, not a threat.

Yet again anyone can say anything they want just because they don't claim to be Communist doesn't mean they are not that is a super naive way of thinking.

Well, Belarus isn't doctrinally communist either.

As for Cuba if given the chance to bite they will bite, are familiar with FARC or the Zaptaista Movement in Mexico they fuel drug violence in Latin America to finance their own political agendas which is Communist.

Yes, I know about them. And yes, they are close to communism's teachings. But 1 thing I have to tell you: financing one's political agenda is not explicitly communist.

[Khataiy]

Yet again anyone can say anything they want just because they don't claim to be Communist doesn't mean they are not that is a super naive way of thinking.

Well, Belarus isn't doctrinally communist either.

As for Cuba if given the chance to bite they will bite, are familiar with FARC or the Zaptaista Movement in Mexico they fuel drug violence in Latin America to finance their own political agendas which is Communist.

Yes, I know about them. And yes, they are close to communism's teachings. But 1 thing I have to tell you: financing one's political agenda is not explicitly communist.

That's not even close to what I said, I said they finance their operations using drug money, and their operations are in turn motivated by Communism.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Well, Belarus isn't doctrinally communist either.

Yes, I know about them. And yes, they are close to communism's teachings. But 1 thing I have to tell you: financing one's political agenda is not explicitly communist.

That's not even close to what I said, I said they finance their operations using drug money, and their operations are in turn motivated by Communism.

Oh ok, my apologies.

[Ilnovryst]

How about we just ban discourse entirely?

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[-Ocelot-]

"Ban people/thing that I dislike" is a galaxy brain concept. Why are these sort of threads popping up so much anyways

The free market has decided it.

[Dumb Ideologies]

"Ban people/thing that I dislike" is a galaxy brain concept. Why are these sort of threads popping up so much anyways

The free market has decided it.

Stop. You're making the best argument for a command economy that this forum has ever seen.

[Mystic Warriors]

In terms of posing an internal political threat to the West, I don't see it as a massive issue in most countries (there are some exceptions, though). I do see right wing populism and far rightists as a growing problem. Now, I don't think their speech should be banned, but I'd say they're the bigger problem in most nations. They are the fastest growing and most destabilizing force in most nations.

The problem you are seeing on the left is a collapse of the center-left parties. This is going to put pressure on the left wing to become more extreme and populist. This has yet to translate into big electoral gains for the far left in most places, but I can easily see it happening within the next 10 years or so.

I don't disagree with you, but to totally rule out Communism as a non-threat or non-issue is simply naive in my opinion.

In what way is communism a threat?

[Washington Resistance Army]

I don't disagree with you, but to totally rule out Communism as a non-threat or non-issue is simply naive in my opinion.

In what way is communism a threat?

The same way that Nazis are, duh.

[Mystic Warriors]

In what way is communism a threat?

The same way that Nazis are, duh.

So not one?

[Andoros]

Ban all advocates of any socialist regimes, both nationalist and internationalist. These forms of government have caused the most pain and suffering and death in the world and should be left in history's trash can.

[Purpelia]

Don't ban anyone ever. Not even the horrible disgusting SJWs. We need crazies in our society to scare us strait. Otherwise we just slowly drift toward one end without noticing like what has happened in the western world with communism, internationalism and SJWs.

[Minoa]

So recently I saw a discussion online about banning any person who shows Nazi support from the place of said discussion, and I whole wholeheartedly agreed with that position. I thought this was a common view not enough to generate such an issue. However people were bringing up points about how having rational discourse was the only way to resolve tension and possibly change their minds. Which does not make much sense because by choosing such stances as the Nazis they have already conditioned themselves or become biased against any arguments that can be bought before them.

Another point was that if Nazis are banned then so should Communists and any other group of people that has supported or engaged in violence against another in the past. This argument to me was whataboutism, Nazis have a singularly destructive agenda that they should be given no concessions on any ground. Unlike the other groups, we can easily point out the failures and the history of this group to recent memory.

What is your view on banning Nazis on any platform?

As far as I am aware, allowing the promotion of racial hatred or a so-called master race is a no-no. However, it is possible to encourage people with racist opinions to change their minds, if we invest in constructive programmes like tackling loneliness, and promoting historical or cultural awareness.

Edited for poor grammar. Either that or I am just not good enough.

[The South Falls]

Don't ban anyone ever. Not even the horrible disgusting SJWs. We need crazies in our society to scare us strait. Otherwise we just slowly drift toward one end without noticing like what has happened in the western world with communism, internationalism and SJWs.

We're talking about Nazis, not SJWs.

[Prydania]

Nazis want to kill me because I’m Jewish.
Communists are morally reprehensible, but at least they don’t consider me a sub-human worthy of only death or expulsion on account of my ethnicity.

So the idea that communists are a far greater threat than Nazis is laughable to me.
Made only funnier by the fact that only crypto-fascists seem to whine about communism every time the threat Nazism and other far right movements pose is discussed.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Nazis want to kill me because I’m Jewish.
Communists are morally reprehensible, but at least they don’t consider me a sub-human worthy of only death or expulsion on account of my ethnicity.

So the idea that communists are a far greater threat than Nazis is laughable to me.
Made only funnier by the fact that only crypto-fascists seem to whine about communism every time the threat Nazism and other far right movements pose is discussed.

Communists want to kill me because I own a business and won't let them steal my shit lol

[Trumptonium1]

I am all for banning nazis from political discourse.

That creates a good precedent for expanding this public-safety ban further in the future.

[Prydania]

Nazis want to kill me because I’m Jewish.
Communists are morally reprehensible, but at least they don’t consider me a sub-human worthy of only death or expulsion on account of my ethnicity.

So the idea that communists are a far greater threat than Nazis is laughable to me.
Made only funnier by the fact that only crypto-fascists seem to whine about communism every time the threat Nazism and other far right movements pose is discussed.

Communists want to kill me because I own a business and won't let them steal my shit lol

I’m middle class. And my job is such that my conservative political leanings would probably target me for some form of unpersoning in the event of a commie takeover. I never said communism is good or moral.

That said? I’m facing the same dilemma that so many Jews faced in Eastern Europe during WWII. Many fought as pro-Soviet partisans not because they loved Stalin or communism-both had anti-Semitic streaks of their own.
No, they fought for pro-Soviet groups because a Jew might be able to eek out a life in the Soviet bloc. That was impossible in a Nazi-controlled Eastern Europe.

There are no good choices for Jewish people when you insist we choose between communism and Nazism.

So how about, in the name of human decency, you stop trying to kill us and let us live our lives in peace?

[Constitutional Technocracy of Minecraft]

I am all for banning nazis from political discourse.

That creates a good precedent for expanding this public-safety ban further in the future.

Are you saying that you want to ban Nazis from political discourse, expand this to all groups you disagree with, and essentially become a Nazi yourself?

[Washington Resistance Army]

Communists want to kill me because I own a business and won't let them steal my shit lol

I’m middle class. And my job is such that my conservative political leanings would probably target me for some form of unpersoning in the event of a commie takeover. I never said communism is good or moral.

That said? I’m facing the same dilemma that so many Jews faced in Eastern Europe during WWII. Many fought as pro-Soviet partisans not because they loved Stalin or communism-both had anti-Semitic streaks of their own.
No, they fought for pro-Soviet groups because a Jew might be able to eek out a life in the Soviet bloc. That was impossible in a Nazi-controlled Eastern Europe.

There are no good choices for Jewish people when you insist we choose between communism and Nazism.

So how about, in the name of human decency, you stop trying to kill us and let us live our lives in peace?

Friendo the Stalin era USSR was only one step up from Nazi Germany for Jews lol, anti-Semitism was rampant in the Soviet Union.

I'm not saying you have to choose between communism and national socialism, I (and others) are saying if we're banning Nazi's then we also need to ban the far left for being just as bad, if not worse.

[Trumptonium1]

I am all for banning nazis from political discourse.

That creates a good precedent for expanding this public-safety ban further in the future.

Are you saying that you want to ban Nazis from political discourse, expand this to all groups you disagree with, and essentially become a Nazi yourself?

Whenever any authoritarian ideas are abound reg reforms in the way society/government is operated, any half-assed leader should always think always ask "how can my enemies use this against me", and it seems the OP is a bit blind to this test. Lest they plan to get absolute power beforehand.

The tools used to suppress your enemies are most often created by them. Weapons are indiscriminate.

I detest both Nazis and Communists, 'Banning' Nazism is relatively easy as it is distasteful to the overwhelming majority. I would however expand that slightly further in the right and do a symmetrical ban for the left once the time is good That would after all make whoever is the rightest of the right the new nazis, but really, who cares.

No I wouldn't do it since I value free speech, but if the tools are there....

[Prydania]

I’m middle class. And my job is such that my conservative political leanings would probably target me for some form of unpersoning in the event of a commie takeover. I never said communism is good or moral.

That said? I’m facing the same dilemma that so many Jews faced in Eastern Europe during WWII. Many fought as pro-Soviet partisans not because they loved Stalin or communism-both had anti-Semitic streaks of their own.
No, they fought for pro-Soviet groups because a Jew might be able to eek out a life in the Soviet bloc. That was impossible in a Nazi-controlled Eastern Europe.

There are no good choices for Jewish people when you insist we choose between communism and Nazism.

So how about, in the name of human decency, you stop trying to kill us and let us live our lives in peace?

Friendo the Stalin era USSR was only one step up from Nazi Germany for Jews lol, anti-Semitism was rampant in the Soviet Union.

Um...did you not see me say that very thing in the post of mine you quoted?

I'm not saying you have to choose between communism and national socialism, I (and others) are saying if we're banning Nazi's then we also need to ban the far left for being just as bad, if not worse.

And if you started a threat called “Banning Communists from discourse” I’d make a post (hell maybe even a few more than one) agreeing with the notion that Communism has no place in a democratic society. I wouldn’t say ban them entirely, but then again I’m not saying ban Nazis either *shrug*

What I don’t get, m8, is your insistence that I’m wrong for being opposed to an ideology that’s predicated on my death for no other reason than my ethnic background.
And my larger point is, essentially, that more people need to stop being antisemitic fools.

[Constitutional Technocracy of Minecraft]

Are you saying that you want to ban Nazis from political discourse, expand this to all groups you disagree with, and essentially become a Nazi yourself?

Whenever any authoritarian ideas are abound reg reforms in the way society/government is operated, any half-assed leader should always think always ask "how can my enemies use this against me", and it seems the OP is a bit blind to this test. Lest they plan to get absolute power beforehand.

The tools used to suppress your enemies are most often created by them. Weapons are indiscriminate.

I detest both Nazis and Communists, 'Banning' Nazism is relatively easy as it is distasteful to the overwhelming majority. I would however expand that slightly further in the right and do a symmetrical ban for the left once the time is good That would after all make whoever is the rightest of the right the new nazis, but really, who cares.

No I wouldn't do it since I value free speech, but if the tools are there....

If you value free speech, why would you set such a precedent?

[Prydania]

No I wouldn't do it since I value free speech, but if the tools are there....

Well then you don’t value free speech.