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by The Anime Army » Sat Jul 28, 2018 6:30 pm
by Kernen » Sat Jul 28, 2018 8:17 pm
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:Good intentions, bad idea.
Make nazi garbage ideas unable to debate, it will just make nazi garbage ideas pile up in the underground and eventually burst violently.
Let the nazi garbage ideas come to the debate, where they can be dismantled and thrown away properly into the trash.
Be polite, be nice, be kind, but properly dismantle nazi garbage ideas in a debate.
by Sick Jumps » Sat Jul 28, 2018 9:12 pm
Saiwania wrote:Antisemitism is not confined to just Europe and it has been around for forever. It predates Nazism by thousands of years. I theorize that there must be a reason for why regardless of where Jews have lived in the world, that non-Jews have tended to hate them. I'm not familiar with why antisemitism exists, but I presume that there is or are valid reasons.
Roma for example, are one major group of people who many claim are objectively bad. I know why more or less, it is because they're nomads who don't respect private property rights generally speaking. Too many Roma set up illegal camps, squat on land that isn't theirs and cause pollution of said land by illegally dumping trash and etc. Amongst all the other crimes they tend to commit such as pickpocketing and being a general nuisance to any surrounding community.
I have no first hand experience with this, but I knew this Hungarian from Budapest many years ago, and he's absolutely convinced that Roma are objectively bad to have as neighbors or to be in their presence. He's warned me against them on many occasions when it came up.
by El-Amin Caliphate » Sat Jul 28, 2018 9:18 pm
Sick Jumps wrote:Saiwania wrote:Antisemitism is not confined to just Europe and it has been around for forever. It predates Nazism by thousands of years. I theorize that there must be a reason for why regardless of where Jews have lived in the world, that non-Jews have tended to hate them. I'm not familiar with why antisemitism exists, but I presume that there is or are valid reasons.
Roma for example, are one major group of people who many claim are objectively bad. I know why more or less, it is because they're nomads who don't respect private property rights generally speaking. Too many Roma set up illegal camps, squat on land that isn't theirs and cause pollution of said land by illegally dumping trash and etc. Amongst all the other crimes they tend to commit such as pickpocketing and being a general nuisance to any surrounding community.
I have no first hand experience with this, but I knew this Hungarian from Budapest many years ago, and he's absolutely convinced that Roma are objectively bad to have as neighbors or to be in their presence. He's warned me against them on many occasions when it came up.
I know in the case of antisemitism in Europe, much of it can be traced to the role of Jews as moneylenders, and the Christian view that the Jews killed Jesus (deicide).
Jews were forbidden from owning land and engaging in many trades by the church. Additionally, Christians were forbidden from engaging in usury. This tended to direct Jews into that profession (along with a few others like medicine), which led to many of the negative stereotypes people associate with Jews.
The fact that they're a small, different minority also made them a convenient scapegoat.
I am not as knowledable about the history of antisemitism in the Islamic world. Perhaps one of our local Muslims can chip in on that.
https://americanvision.org/948/theonomy-vs-theocracy/ wrote:God’s law cannot govern a nation where God’s law does not rule in the hearts of the people
Plaetopia wrote:Partly Free / Hybrid regime (score 4-6) El-Amin Caliphate (5.33)
by Sick Jumps » Sat Jul 28, 2018 9:30 pm
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:Sick Jumps wrote:I know in the case of antisemitism in Europe, much of it can be traced to the role of Jews as moneylenders, and the Christian view that the Jews killed Jesus (deicide).
Jews were forbidden from owning land and engaging in many trades by the church. Additionally, Christians were forbidden from engaging in usury. This tended to direct Jews into that profession (along with a few others like medicine), which led to many of the negative stereotypes people associate with Jews.
The fact that they're a small, different minority also made them a convenient scapegoat.
I am not as knowledable about the history of antisemitism in the Islamic world. Perhaps one of our local Muslims can chip in on that.
Hi, local Muslim here.
Judeophobia depends on which Islamic nation you're talking about. In some places like Al-Andalus, Jews had a good life. But in places like Yemen, they were ethnically cleansed. So it depends on the place and who's in power.
by San Lumen » Sat Jul 28, 2018 9:31 pm
Iwassoclose wrote:So recently I saw a discussion online about banning any person who shows Nazi support from the place of said discussion, and I whole wholeheartedly agreed with that position. I thought this was a common view not enough to generate such an issue. However people were bringing up points about how having rational discourse was the only way to resolve tension and possibly change their minds. Which does not make much sense because by choosing such stances as the Nazis they have already conditioned themselves or become biased against any arguments that can be bought before them.
Another point was that if Nazis are banned then so should Communists and any other group of people that has supported or engaged in violence against another in the past. This argument to me was whataboutism, Nazis have a singularly destructive agenda that they should be given no concessions on any ground. Unlike the other groups, we can easily point out the failures and the history of this group to recent memory.
What is your view on banning Nazis on any platform?
by Khataiy » Sat Jul 28, 2018 10:24 pm
Conserative Morality wrote:My opinion is that when you have nine Nazis sitting at a table and you sit with them, you have ten Nazis. Nazis should be cast out of public discourse wherever possible by a free society. I only draw the line at legal bans.
by Washington Resistance Army » Sat Jul 28, 2018 10:30 pm
by El-Amin Caliphate » Sat Jul 28, 2018 10:31 pm
Arlenton wrote:Commies are a bigger threat.
https://americanvision.org/948/theonomy-vs-theocracy/ wrote:God’s law cannot govern a nation where God’s law does not rule in the hearts of the people
Plaetopia wrote:Partly Free / Hybrid regime (score 4-6) El-Amin Caliphate (5.33)
by El-Amin Caliphate » Sat Jul 28, 2018 10:34 pm
https://americanvision.org/948/theonomy-vs-theocracy/ wrote:God’s law cannot govern a nation where God’s law does not rule in the hearts of the people
Plaetopia wrote:Partly Free / Hybrid regime (score 4-6) El-Amin Caliphate (5.33)
by Khataiy » Sat Jul 28, 2018 10:37 pm
by Washington Resistance Army » Sat Jul 28, 2018 10:41 pm
by El-Amin Caliphate » Sat Jul 28, 2018 10:42 pm
Khataiy wrote:but even then North Korea is a prime example though not 'officially Communist' the state's ideology is an offshoot of Communism and they are a serious regional destabilizer and threat.
https://americanvision.org/948/theonomy-vs-theocracy/ wrote:God’s law cannot govern a nation where God’s law does not rule in the hearts of the people
Plaetopia wrote:Partly Free / Hybrid regime (score 4-6) El-Amin Caliphate (5.33)
by Khataiy » Sat Jul 28, 2018 10:44 pm
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:Khataiy wrote:Not necessarily countries but underground organizations and so on
Like which??? Those groups are tiny and have little to no influence or chance of gaining power.Khataiy wrote:but even then North Korea is a prime example though not 'officially Communist' the state's ideology is an offshoot of Communism and they are a serious regional destabilizer and threat.
Ok, 1 nation with not much influence besides nuclear weapons. I wouldn't consider them a threat except to Japan and South Korea.
by El-Amin Caliphate » Sat Jul 28, 2018 10:48 pm
Khataiy wrote:Various armed groups in Eastern Ukraine
Khataiy wrote:ANTIFA etc
Khataiy wrote:there's China, Belarus, Cuba and more.
https://americanvision.org/948/theonomy-vs-theocracy/ wrote:God’s law cannot govern a nation where God’s law does not rule in the hearts of the people
Plaetopia wrote:Partly Free / Hybrid regime (score 4-6) El-Amin Caliphate (5.33)
by Great Minarchistan » Sat Jul 28, 2018 10:50 pm
by Sick Jumps » Sat Jul 28, 2018 10:51 pm
by Khataiy » Sat Jul 28, 2018 10:54 pm
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:Khataiy wrote:PKK
Ok, I'll give you thst.Khataiy wrote:Various armed groups in Eastern Ukraine
Like whom?Khataiy wrote:ANTIFA etc
Not all antifa orgs and people are communists.Khataiy wrote:there's China, Belarus, Cuba and more.
None of them are communists, and the only 'threat' is China.
by Sick Jumps » Sat Jul 28, 2018 10:57 pm
Khataiy wrote:El-Amin Caliphate wrote:Ok, I'll give you thst.
Like whom?
Not all antifa orgs and people are communists.
None of them are communists, and the only 'threat' is China.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luhansk_P ... s_Republic
This and the Donetsk republic are backed by most Communists and many of their fighters are sympathetic to Communism
As for Belarus it is absolutely Communist not officially but in doctrine and administration is for all practical purposes a Communist nation, their president was a Soviet hardliner. Cuba is also another Communist nation and to deny that isn't is sort of ignorant. They are both major threats Cuba is militarily weak but if it was in a position where it was economically better off they would be the biggest threat in North America especially to countries in the Caribbean and they'd probably help fuel the Narco wars in Mexico and Colombia just like their Leftist ally Venezuela.
by Khataiy » Sat Jul 28, 2018 10:59 pm
Sick Jumps wrote:Khataiy wrote:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luhansk_P ... s_Republic
This and the Donetsk republic are backed by most Communists and many of their fighters are sympathetic to Communism
As for Belarus it is absolutely Communist not officially but in doctrine and administration is for all practical purposes a Communist nation, their president was a Soviet hardliner. Cuba is also another Communist nation and to deny that isn't is sort of ignorant. They are both major threats Cuba is militarily weak but if it was in a position where it was economically better off they would be the biggest threat in North America especially to countries in the Caribbean and they'd probably help fuel the Narco wars in Mexico and Colombia just like their Leftist ally Venezuela.
Yeah, Belarus and Cuba should really get on top of their game and pass some laws to ban Communism.
by El-Amin Caliphate » Sat Jul 28, 2018 11:16 pm
Khataiy wrote:El-Amin Caliphate wrote:Ok, I'll give you thst.
Like whom?
Not all antifa orgs and people are communists.
None of them are communists, and the only 'threat' is China.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luhansk_P ... s_Republic
This and the Donetsk republic are backed by most Communists and many of their fighters are sympathetic to Communism
Khataiy wrote:As for Belarus it is absolutely Communist not officially
Khataiy wrote:Cuba is also another Communist
Khataiy wrote:They are both major threats
Khataiy wrote:Cuba is militarily weak but if it was in a position where it was economically better off they would be the biggest threat in North America especially to countries in the Caribbean and they'd probably help fuel the Narco wars in Mexico and Colombia just like their Leftist ally Venezuela.
https://americanvision.org/948/theonomy-vs-theocracy/ wrote:God’s law cannot govern a nation where God’s law does not rule in the hearts of the people
Plaetopia wrote:Partly Free / Hybrid regime (score 4-6) El-Amin Caliphate (5.33)
by Khataiy » Sat Jul 28, 2018 11:19 pm
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:Khataiy wrote:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luhansk_P ... s_Republic
This and the Donetsk republic are backed by most Communists and many of their fighters are sympathetic to Communism
How much influence do they have?Khataiy wrote:As for Belarus it is absolutely Communist not officially
Then it isn't communist.Khataiy wrote:Cuba is also another Communist
No it's not. In fact, there's a constitutional reform under way to make Cuba socialist.Khataiy wrote:They are both major threats
To who?Khataiy wrote:Cuba is militarily weak but if it was in a position where it was economically better off they would be the biggest threat in North America especially to countries in the Caribbean and they'd probably help fuel the Narco wars in Mexico and Colombia just like their Leftist ally Venezuela.
Yeah, if. Right now, Cuba is economically and militarily weak, hence, not a threat.
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