CDC: 14,415 homicides by fire arms in 2016 alone

[Greed and Death]

Its a fairly small number, seems reasonable to me.

But you're a lawyer. What you think of as reasonable is based on what you get paid.

My money comes from the finance industry not the firearms industry.

[Blakk Metal]

Yea, I can understand what you're saying. Though, restrict mag capacity. Reloading is a time when a shooter is vulnerable.

I dont think that most gun homocides are great big shootouts where youre constantly emptying the gun. Anywya, you got like a second long window on the guy, during which he can be in cover.

Most mass shooters are not nearly as skilled as you think they are. I doubt they all know how to use cover and stuff.

[Chernoslavia]

CDC

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The three most common methods of homicide are based on numbers of deaths and are identified with International Classification of Disease, Tenth Revision (ICD-10) codes X93–X95, U01.4 (firearms), X99 (cutting/piercing), and X91 (suffocation).

During 2010–2016, use of firearms was the most common method in the United States, followed by the use of instruments for cutting and piercing and then suffocation. The number of firearm-related homicides was relatively stable during 2010–2014 (fluctuating between 11,008 and 11,622) but then increased by 31% from 2014 (11,008) to 2016 (14,415). In 2016, the number of homicides involving firearms was approximately eight times the number of those involving cutting and piercing (1,781) and approximately 30 times those involving suffocation (502).


Source: National Vital Statistics System, Underlying Cause of Death Data, 2000–2016. https://wonder.cdc.gov/ucd-icd10.html.

Doesn't seem like gun violence is the minority anymore. It's been the majority of homicides for years.

For mental health sake and safetys sake, I propose that anyone who wants to buy a gun be given a free psychiatric check up.

If they fail that, then a judge can temporally suspend only there 2A rights.

To make this a fair comprise, let up on gun taxes and unban higher capacity mags.

But what do you think NSG? What should be done about this problem?

We already have federal laws that make it illegal for anyone who has been institutionalized, deemed mentally unstable or incompetent from owning a firearm. My guess is you want to restrict anyone with any mental disorder from owning firearms, if that's the case then my answer to this is no. At most, only 5 percent of people with mental illnesses are violent or a threat to themselves and or others.

[Chernoslavia]

Shouldn't this be on the GC thread?

Yes. But gun rights activists roam the gun control thread and debunk anyone's bullshit. Probably why a separate thread was created.

[Len Hyet]

Shouldn't this be on the GC thread?

Yes. But gun rights activists roam the gun control thread and debunk anyone's bullshit. Probably why a separate thread was created.

Me_irl

[Gun Manufacturers]

Tis unconstitutional, gotta find something else.

Maybe make homicide a federal crime with mandatory execution with no appeals.

That's the dumbest idea I've read in this thread.

[The Two Jerseys]

I dont think that most gun homocides are great big shootouts where youre constantly emptying the gun. Anywya, you got like a second long window on the guy, during which he can be in cover.

Most mass shooters are not nearly as skilled as you think they are. I doubt they all know how to use cover and stuff.

Well, yeah, when you don't have to worry about return fire...

[Sovaal]

Yes. But gun rights activists roam the gun control thread and debunk anyone's bullshit. Probably why a separate thread was created.

Me_irl

The fuck is up with that screen format.

[Fartsniffage]

People should not be able to buy things like this.

No civilian needs to own a canon.

[Petrasylvania]

People should not be able to buy things like this.

No civilian needs to own a canon.

You know how many celebrities get shot by those things?

[Sovaal]

People should not be able to buy things like this.

No civilian needs to own a canon.

What about my headcanon?

[Tule]

Shouldn't this be on the GC thread?

Yes. But gun rights activists roam the gun control thread and debunk anyone's bullshit engage in an ill informed circlejerk based on fantasies. Probably why a separate thread was created.

See, I can make sweeping statements about the other side too!

[Sovaal]

I dont think that most gun homocides are great big shootouts where youre constantly emptying the gun. Anywya, you got like a second long window on the guy, during which he can be in cover.

Most mass shooters are not nearly as skilled as you think they are. I doubt they all know how to use cover and stuff.

And their more often than not targeting those who are unarmed. The whole 'charge and tackle the guy mid reload" is stupid and really more likely to get you killed. And iirc Columbine was committed pretty much entirely with ten round mags.

[Tule]

Most mass shooters are not nearly as skilled as you think they are. I doubt they all know how to use cover and stuff.

And their more often than not targeting those who are unarmed. The whole 'charge and tackle the guy mid reload" is stupid and really more likely to get you killed. And iirc Columbine was committed pretty much entirely with ten round mags.

Restricting things like 30 round mags and bump stocks would not do much for most mass shootings. But it could reduce the number of ultra-high casualty shootings with 30+ fatalities.

Columbines and Navy Yard shootings Virginia Techs would continue with bans on high capacity magazines or even bans on centrefire semi-auto rifles (<30 casualties). But you wouldn't get as many Las Vegas shootings, Pulses, Port Arthur shootings or Utoyas (>Casualties).

[Ors Might]

And their more often than not targeting those who are unarmed. The whole 'charge and tackle the guy mid reload" is stupid and really more likely to get you killed. And iirc Columbine was committed pretty much entirely with ten round mags.

Restricting things like 30 round mags and bump stocks would not do much for most mass shootings. But it could reduce the number of ultra-high casualty shootings with 30+ fatalities.

Columbines and Navy Yard shootings Virginia Techs would continue with bans on high capacity magazines or even bans on centrefire semi-auto rifles (<30 casualties). But you wouldn't get as many Las Vegas shootings, Pulses, Port Arthur shootings or Utoyas (>Casualties).

Honestly, I doubt things like the Las Vegas shooting would be affected by magazine restrictions. There are a variety of factors that go into deciding the result of a battle and mass shootingd are similar in that regard. The Las Vegas shooting was a man firing into a large crowd from a high vantage point using a trick to fire faster than would be practical for his firearm. Under similar circumstances, I doubt that being restricted to ten round magazines would matter.

[Galloism]

Restricting things like 30 round mags and bump stocks would not do much for most mass shootings. But it could reduce the number of ultra-high casualty shootings with 30+ fatalities.

Columbines and Navy Yard shootings Virginia Techs would continue with bans on high capacity magazines or even bans on centrefire semi-auto rifles (<30 casualties). But you wouldn't get as many Las Vegas shootings, Pulses, Port Arthur shootings or Utoyas (>Casualties).

Honestly, I doubt things like the Las Vegas shooting would be affected by magazine restrictions. There are a variety of factors that go into deciding the result of a battle and mass shootingd are similar in that regard. The Las Vegas shooting was a man firing into a large crowd from a high vantage point using a trick to fire faster than would be practical for his firearm. Under similar circumstances, I doubt that being restricted to ten round magazines would matter.

It's also worth noting that with the advent of 3d printing and how cheap it's gotten, any benefit to the ban of bump stocks is going to be fleeting at the very very best (if helpful at all).

Especially now that, pursuant to a settlement, sharing 3D models for gun designs is now freedom of speech.

[Petrasylvania]

Honestly, I doubt things like the Las Vegas shooting would be affected by magazine restrictions. There are a variety of factors that go into deciding the result of a battle and mass shootingd are similar in that regard. The Las Vegas shooting was a man firing into a large crowd from a high vantage point using a trick to fire faster than would be practical for his firearm. Under similar circumstances, I doubt that being restricted to ten round magazines would matter.

It's also worth noting that with the advent of 3d printing and how cheap it's gotten, any benefit to the ban of bump stocks is going to be fleeting at the very very best (if helpful at all).

Especially now that, pursuant to a settlement, sharing 3D models for gun designs is now freedom of speech.

But are the plastics durable enough for more than a saturday night special? Plus plastic guns undercutting metal ones doesn't sound like something that will happen.

[Sovaal]

It's also worth noting that with the advent of 3d printing and how cheap it's gotten, any benefit to the ban of bump stocks is going to be fleeting at the very very best (if helpful at all).

Especially now that, pursuant to a settlement, sharing 3D models for gun designs is now freedom of speech.

But are the plastics durable enough for more than a saturday night special? Plus plastic guns undercutting metal ones doesn't sound like something that will happen.

I wouldn't doubt that eventually printers able to print metals of suitable strength will be common.

[Galloism]

It's also worth noting that with the advent of 3d printing and how cheap it's gotten, any benefit to the ban of bump stocks is going to be fleeting at the very very best (if helpful at all).

Especially now that, pursuant to a settlement, sharing 3D models for gun designs is now freedom of speech.

But are the plastics durable enough for more than a saturday night special? Plus plastic guns undercutting metal ones doesn't sound like something that will happen.

For a bump stock, yes - plastic would be more than sufficient. It's simply a molding that the gun slides back and forth inside of - no heat to speak of other than that incidental to the sliding. We use PLA plastic (what can be used on 3d printers) on some cars for outer moldings, etc. It's tough and flexible, and it doesn't turn liquid until... 300 something degrees if i recall correctly (someone fix that if I'm wrong).

For the actual barrel and other similar parts, no - plastic would not be sufficient. However, that's about to be irrelevant anyway, as micro CNC milling machines are coming down in price fast, and can effectively 3d print in metal (the process is different of course, but the result is roughly the same). Those will be able to make barrels and other similar parts autonomously. I say they'll be within the realm of the common household in, oh, 5-7 years. Let's say 10 at the outside.

[Grinning Dragon]

But are the plastics durable enough for more than a Saturday night special? Plus plastic guns undercutting metal ones doesn't sound like something that will happen.

For a bump stock, yes - plastic would be more than sufficient. It's simply a molding that the gun slides back and forth inside of - no heat to speak of other than that incidental to the sliding. We use PLA plastic (what can be used on 3d printers) on some cars for outer moldings, etc. It's tough and flexible, and it doesn't turn liquid until... 300 something degrees if i recall correctly (someone fix that if I'm wrong).

For the actual barrel and other similar parts, no - plastic would not be sufficient. However, that's about to be irrelevant anyway, as micro CNC milling machines are coming down in price fast, and can effectively 3d print in metal (the process is different of course, but the result is roughly the same). Those will be able to make barrels and other similar parts autonomously. I say they'll be within the realm of the common household in, oh, 5-7 years. Let's say 10 at the outside.

Plus a judge in TX denied a last ditch scare-fest by some vacuous gun control groups.
Gun Control Groups Fail In Last Minute Frenzy to Stop Publication of Defense Distributed 3D Gun Files

[Ors Might]

For a bump stock, yes - plastic would be more than sufficient. It's simply a molding that the gun slides back and forth inside of - no heat to speak of other than that incidental to the sliding. We use PLA plastic (what can be used on 3d printers) on some cars for outer moldings, etc. It's tough and flexible, and it doesn't turn liquid until... 300 something degrees if i recall correctly (someone fix that if I'm wrong).

For the actual barrel and other similar parts, no - plastic would not be sufficient. However, that's about to be irrelevant anyway, as micro CNC milling machines are coming down in price fast, and can effectively 3d print in metal (the process is different of course, but the result is roughly the same). Those will be able to make barrels and other similar parts autonomously. I say they'll be within the realm of the common household in, oh, 5-7 years. Let's say 10 at the outside.

Plus a judge in TX denied a last ditch scare-fest by some vacuous gun control groups.
Gun Control Groups Fail In Last Minute Frenzy to Stop Publication of Defense Distributed 3D Gun Files

2018 has been a very strange year. No 2016 but its definitely had its high ups and low downs.

[Washington Resistance Army]

It's also worth noting that with the advent of 3d printing and how cheap it's gotten, any benefit to the ban of bump stocks is going to be fleeting at the very very best (if helpful at all).

Especially now that, pursuant to a settlement, sharing 3D models for gun designs is now freedom of speech.

But are the plastics durable enough for more than a saturday night special? Plus plastic guns undercutting metal ones doesn't sound like something that will happen.

They very much are. I had a chance to chat with one of the guys from Defense Distributed and he relayed to me that they've gotten full auto receivers to work after being 3D printed.

[Petrolheadia]

But are the plastics durable enough for more than a saturday night special? Plus plastic guns undercutting metal ones doesn't sound like something that will happen.

They very much are. I had a chance to chat with one of the guys from Defense Distributed and he relayed to me that they've gotten full auto receivers to work after being 3D printed.

For how long?

[Washington Resistance Army]

They very much are. I had a chance to chat with one of the guys from Defense Distributed and he relayed to me that they've gotten full auto receivers to work after being 3D printed.

For how long?

Couple thousand rounds iirc

[Petrolheadia]

For how long?

Couple thousand rounds iirc

What is the typical durability for non-printed ones?