Massive Ring of Homosexuals in Catholic Clergy

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Well, some bibles have certain books that others do not. For example, most Protestant bibles do not have certain books that you'll find in a Catholic bible. Like, say, The Maccabees for example, is in Catholic bibles but IIRC, not in Protestant bibles.

We have a lot of other books too in Orthodoxy.

I can't speak on that as I'm not familiar with Orthodoxy but I don't doubt it.

[Lothara]

Thought disregarding books was blasphemy.

You can literally disregard books if Jesus says you can.

Wait, quote and link?

Thought disregarding books was blasphemy.

Well, some bibles have certain books that others do not. For example, most Protestant bibles do not have certain books that you'll find in a Catholic bible. Like, say, The Maccabees for example, is in Catholic bibles but IIRC, not in Protestant bibles.

Never even heard of that book.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

You can literally disregard books if Jesus says you can.

Wait, quote and link?

Well, some bibles have certain books that others do not. For example, most Protestant bibles do not have certain books that you'll find in a Catholic bible. Like, say, The Maccabees for example, is in Catholic bibles but IIRC, not in Protestant bibles.

Never even heard of that book.

https://www.britannica.com/topic/The-Bo ... -Maccabees

[Sovaal]

You claiming that everyone is demon possessed doesn’t mean they’re actually possessed by demons. Hell, how do we know you’re not possessed and carrying out the will of Satan?

I go to church every Sunday and I sleep with rosary beads beside my bed. Satan fears the image of the Virgin Mary.

And how do I know you aren’t lying? Satan’s a liar last inchecked, so i would imagine a minion of him would lie as well.

[Evil Lord Bane]

It's not the middle ages anymore. Let the priests have girlfriends and wives. Other religions do it. Problem solved.

[Ieskarios]

It's not the middle ages anymore. Let the priests have girlfriends and wives. Other religions do it. Problem solved.

Other religions also restrict consumption of alcohol, pork, or from participating in certain festivals among other things. If Christianity wants to subscribe celibacy to those in the priesthood or bishopric, that's how it's going to be. Why should it change "because other religions do it"?

[Hurdergaryp]

It's not the middle ages anymore. Let the priests have girlfriends and wives. Other religions do it. Problem solved.

Other religions also restrict consumption of alcohol, pork, or from participating in certain festivals among other things. If Christianity wants to subscribe celibacy to those in the priesthood or bishopric, that's how it's going to be. Why should it change "because other religions do it"?

You speak of Christianity as if it is only Roman Catholicism. I'll have you know that other branches of Christianity solved the celibacy dilemma quite efficiently several centuries ago. You may not have been aware of this.

[Uxupox]

It's not the middle ages anymore. Let the priests have girlfriends and wives. Other religions do it. Problem solved.

if you can't restrict yourself and follow the teachings then that life is not for you. you change your lifestyle to ascribe to the religion not the other way around.

[The Serbian Empire]

I am not surprised that a highly devote LGBT Catholic who wanted to keep their faith would join the clergy whether as priest, monk, or nun. Given those circumstances, the lack of celibacy is because there's enough gay priests and monks or lesbian nuns would find each other within their locations.


Eunuchs also included trans women since other texts mention about Scythian priestesses who had breasts and a phallus consuming of pregnant mare urine.

I had no idea people were so progressive back then.

The thing is, pregnant horses were a lot more common back then. These eunuchs were also religious figures for the goddess Cybele. Given the two things, it isn't a surprise that they were doing defacto transitions with castration and pregnant horse urine for a fertility goddess, but that is neither here nor there.

[Hakons]

Other religions also restrict consumption of alcohol, pork, or from participating in certain festivals among other things. If Christianity wants to subscribe celibacy to those in the priesthood or bishopric, that's how it's going to be. Why should it change "because other religions do it"?

You speak of Christianity as if it is only Roman Catholicism. I'll have you know that other branches of Christianity solved the celibacy dilemma quite efficiently several centuries ago. You may not have been aware of this.

Celibacy is not a "dilemma." You also can't just change doctrine like that. The whole point of Catholicism is about trying to maintain the tradition of the Christ and the Apostles.

[Ieskarios]

You speak of Christianity as if it is only Roman Catholicism. I'll have you know that other branches of Christianity solved the celibacy dilemma quite efficiently several centuries ago. You may not have been aware of this.

I know other branches have different approaches, but my point is that Catholicism shouldn't surrender its celibate status because those ones (or other faiths) do not require such a thing. Changing your faith to "reflect the times" is part of the reason why many Western churches are in crisis.

[Hakons]

Catholic schools meet state graduation requirements, so they teach the "actually important facts," whatever that statement is supposed to mean. Religion is quite important for society, especially if you're religious and believe the path to true fullness and life is found in your religion. It's really quite ignorant and false to assert that don't teach "important" things.

Okay after doing some research yeah catholic school do have a curriculum and are like normal schools just with more religion. What I remembered must have been something like Sunday school. But no religion is not needed for society to function. Saying that is like saying we need cults to function untrue. Religion is more of a burden to be honest as we need money to build churches and such and not to mention some of those religious nuts(Cough Cough Westboro baptist church Cough Cough.)

You may think religion is unnecessary, but a whole lot of people think it is absolutely required. Comparing the generic category of religion to a cult is grossly false and rude. If you only see religion as something that takes up resources to build Churches, you know nothing of religion whatsoever.

[Scomagia]

It's not the middle ages anymore. Let the priests have girlfriends and wives. Other religions do it. Problem solved.

if you can't restrict yourself and follow the teachings then that life is not for you. you change your lifestyle to ascribe to the religion not the other way around.

Priestly celibacy isn't part of the teachings, though, assuming you define the teachings as the words of Christ and biblical doctrine. Celibacy is church dogma and is not an explicit requirement from scripture.

And realistically, how is an unmarried, nominal virgin supposed to give authentic, helpful advice to married folks? You wouldn't trust someone to give you driving pointers if they've never driven. Some of what they say may be true but the scope of their experiential knowledge is less than that of even a novice. In the end they can point out the obvious and offer platitudes but little else. Then there's the worthlessness of having nominal virgins advise the young unmarried members of their congregation in matters of the heart and groin. Talk about the blind leading the blind, man.

[Uxupox]

if you can't restrict yourself and follow the teachings then that life is not for you. you change your lifestyle to ascribe to the religion not the other way around.

Priestly celibacy isn't part of the teachings, though, assuming you define the teachings as the words of Christ and biblical doctrine. Celibacy is church dogma and is not an explicit requirement from scripture.

And realistically, how is an unmarried, nominal virgin supposed to give authentic, helpful advice to married folks? You wouldn't trust someone to give you driving pointers if they've never driven. Some of what they say may be true but the scope of their experiential knowledge is less than that of even a novice. In the end they can point out the obvious and offer platitudes but little else. Then there's the worthlessness of having nominal virgins advise the young unmarried members of their congregation in matters of the heart and groin. Talk about the blind leading the blind, man.

priesthood celibacy does have apostolic origin. even Jesus himself was a celibate.

[Scomagia]

Okay after doing some research yeah catholic school do have a curriculum and are like normal schools just with more religion. What I remembered must have been something like Sunday school. But no religion is not needed for society to function. Saying that is like saying we need cults to function untrue. Religion is more of a burden to be honest as we need money to build churches and such and not to mention some of those religious nuts(Cough Cough Westboro baptist church Cough Cough.)

You may think religion is unnecessary, but a whole lot of people think it is absolutely required. Comparing the generic category of religion to a cult is grossly false and rude. If you only see religion as something that takes up resources to build Churches, you know nothing of religion whatsoever.

I think a lot of people look at the flaws of organized religion and arbitrarily decide that religion is only it's flaws. The sense of meaning, Transcendence, and community provided by religion is dismissed as delusional and valueless because of religious literalism and bad actors within the Clergy. I think rejecting the utility of religion on those basis is a mistake. I say this as an atheist.

[Pope Joan]

Opus Dei is accuaed of being a major factor in this problem.

When I was in the pastorate I heard from a monsignor that he had to be very careful when hiring on young men from a local Franciscan seminary, because the brothers there had been so active in recruiting homosexuals to the priesthood.

[Scomagia]

Priestly celibacy isn't part of the teachings, though, assuming you define the teachings as the words of Christ and biblical doctrine. Celibacy is church dogma and is not an explicit requirement from scripture.

And realistically, how is an unmarried, nominal virgin supposed to give authentic, helpful advice to married folks? You wouldn't trust someone to give you driving pointers if they've never driven. Some of what they say may be true but the scope of their experiential knowledge is less than that of even a novice. In the end they can point out the obvious and offer platitudes but little else. Then there's the worthlessness of having nominal virgins advise the young unmarried members of their congregation in matters of the heart and groin. Talk about the blind leading the blind, man.

priesthood celibacy does have apostolic origin. even Jesus himself was a celibate.

It is not expressly mandated by scripture. Your link shows celibacy is dogma and that it doesn't have a scriptural basis. It was once appropriate for priests to marry. The scripture allowing such didn't change, the customs did. Those same customs could again change.

Jesus may have been celibate, what of it? Are you implying that priests are better Christians than the laity because they emulate Christ even so far as Celibacy? Is the ultimate Christian Life one of celibacy, because Christ was celibate? Is the true Christian path only one of passivity, of forsaking the nominally God given joys of this world?This mortification of the flesh is exactly the problem with Christianity in its current Catholic form and perhaps Christianity in any form.

And again I ask; what is the utility of having a sexless persion advise others on their sex and marriage?

[Uxupox]

priesthood celibacy does have apostolic origin. even Jesus himself was a celibate.

It is not expressly mandated by scripture. Your link shows celibacy is dogma and that it doesn't have a scriptural basis. It was once appropriate for priests to marry. The scripture allowing such didn't change, the customs did. Those same customs could again change.

Jesus may have been celibate, what of it? Are you implying that priests are better Christians than the laity because they emulate Christ even so far as Celibacy? Is the ultimate Christian Life one of celibacy, because Christ was celibate? Is the true Christian path only one of passivity, of forsaking the nominally God given joys of this world?This mortification of the flesh is exactly the problem with Christianity in its current Catholic form and perhaps Christianity in any form.

And again I ask; what is the utility of having a sexless persion advise others on their sex and marriage?

dunno don't ask me. i'm no theologian. you better ask a Catholic Priest tbh.

[Azurius]

Tell me with what wealth of experience and study you feel confident to make the claim that it "is" the case?

Did your pastor tell you?

Here's something from people who seem to have more experience.

FACT #2 – Most sexual abuse of boys is NOT perpetrated by homosexual males.

Science and case management experience has shown us that most child molesters are heterosexual. Abuse is about power and control and is not anchored by sexual orientation. Dr. Gene Abel, a researcher in the field of sexual violence for over twenty-five years, wrote an article for the average parent in Redbook magazine to take the knowledge he gained in doing over 100 scientific articles to provide specific warning signs for parents and caregivers. In this article, he explicitly states that most cases of boys being molested are attributed to heterosexuals.

“…[M]ost men who molest little boys are not gay. Only 21 percent of the child molesters we studied who assault little boys were exclusively homosexual. Nearly 80 percent of the men who molested little boys were heterosexual or bisexual and most of these men were married and had children of their own.”(Abel, G. (1987, August). “The Child Abuser: How Can You Spot Him?,” Redbook, 100.)”

Still think marriage is a cure-all solution?

Could it be that -- at the end of the day -- child abusers need to be rooted out and jailed, and people having same-sex relationships with other adults is -- actually -- something completely separate and absolutely nothing to do with this. Could it be that attempting to conflate the two a really unsound link to attempt to make?

Only 21% were exclusively homosexual? How many were bisexual? Regardless, this means that homosexuals are still disproportionately more likely to molest children than heterosexuals, considering they make up around 2-5% of the population by most estimates.

I´m surprised no one has mentioned that in fact the homosexual estimate a third of the population to be actually homosexual. That would be at least 25 and up to 40%

So you´re line is basically nonsense and if it were true all it would do is actually prove that homosexuals are the better people lmao.

Well I didn´t expect much knowledge from an obviously hardcore christian. And probably you are just one of the many closet homosexuals that in fact make up for this third. There no need to be ashamed about it, then again... If you live in some highly christian village it´s a different story... In that case i´d also keep my mouth shut about it if I were a homosexual.

Attacking homosexuals however and your own sexual orientation won´t help, nor will it make you more happy. Rather the opposite. Nor will you be able to surpress that sexual urge of yours, unless you have no libido for whatever reason.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

You can literally disregard books if Jesus says you can.

Wait, quote and link?

Well, some bibles have certain books that others do not. For example, most Protestant bibles do not have certain books that you'll find in a Catholic bible. Like, say, The Maccabees for example, is in Catholic bibles but IIRC, not in Protestant bibles.

Never even heard of that book.

http://biblehub.com/matthew/5-17.htm

Jesus made a new covenant with new rules.

[Azurius]

Bit of a twat, that God of yours.

Not really. If you get possessed by demons, it's most likely because you were promoting a satanic message. You invited them to possess you.

Okay, then why not start with yourself? Start repenting and tell us:

Which satanic messages were it that you promoted that got you to be a sinner?

I will list 2 of your sins:

Breaking the word of god multiple times, quote:

"Only god may judge", is in the bible. Yet you judge and act as if you were god yourself. Which oh btw, is just another sin, mens arrogance to put himself on par with god himself lol.

"You may not do anyone harm" in the bible once more, even 1 of the 10 comandments for christs sake... Yet you actively call for barbaric torture and murder... Wow.

Since I´ll be now trying to do that what any good christian would do according to your bible:

Please repent for your sins, and also explain what satanic messages it where exactly that you promoted, that got these demons into you. Do that so that the lord himself may cleanse your soul from their vile influence.

We and the lord himself will be awaiting your repent.

Wow wait a minute...:

He wants homosexual priests exorcised. Don't ask. Just figure that one out.

I want all who are possessed to be exorcised. Not just priests who break their vow of celibacy with other men.

So, instead of a repenting, we´d need to exorcise you now correct? But wouldn´t that also go against the bible? Since when is mankind allowed to act out gods judgment? That´s new to me from any bible I read.

But if so fine, I´ll get some priests and some tools and we are gonna drive these evil demons out of you via an good old exorcism, if you don´t survive the exorcism... oh well it´s only because your soul was to weak and succumbed to evil

[Azurius]

Funny that you say Christ and tradition when Christ himself came and smashed that in his time. But keep going. It's funny to see your indignation.

He came and fulfilled it. He didn't smash anything. You aren't interested in Catholicism, you want it to conform to what you believe. That is understandable, but I would rather it get your lot first (and I mean evangelisation and conversion, not torture).

Pretty ironic coming from you considering that it is scientificaly proven that the catholics version of history, is entirely false.

[Kubumba Tribe]

Really not surprised, like at all honestly.
Literally nothing wrong with this tho.

Perhaps Islam will fill the void.

Insha-Allah.

Perhaps Islam will fill the void.

no

It probs would, if current trends hold up.

[Uxupox]

He came and fulfilled it. He didn't smash anything. You aren't interested in Catholicism, you want it to conform to what you believe. That is understandable, but I would rather it get your lot first (and I mean evangelisation and conversion, not torture).

Pretty ironic coming from you considering that it is scientificaly proven that the catholics version of history, is entirely false.

heretical.

[The Huskar Social Union]

Really not surprised, like at all honestly.
Literally nothing wrong with this tho.

Perhaps Islam will fill the void.

Nah it would be great if it died off an all.