Delaware bans Conversion Therapy

[Geneviev]

It may not be a choice and is biological however we should do everything in our power to convert them whether it be medication or therapy and if they still are how they are then we should leave them be. choice or not being gay spreads diseases like HIV and aids and if the person is bi they can spread it to both men and women. It also decreases our population. To be gay is ok but it should not be condoned. Thank you for your time

If it's okay, why do everything in your power to convert them? And HIV spreads otherwise too. It doesn't really decrease the population. Medication would be incredibly useless for this. Therapy is the only way to change it, and that should not be forced on anyone. People with any mental illness aren't forced into therapy either, so LGBT shouldn't be different.

[Second Empire of America]

Conversion therapy is a scam and should be treated like any other scam. If, someday, someone invents a form of conversion therapy that actually works, I'm fine with it being performed on adults with informed consent. It should never be allowed for minors, since they aren't old enough to consent to permanent elective medical procedures.

(Also, if conversion therapy actually worked, the biggest market for it would be straight people wanting to become bisexual.)

[Zex]

Makes yet another claim without a source, demands sources yet again. You get what you give, friend.I guess, one could say, you are what you read XD.

P.S., ~ no reason in addressing something that's clearly incorrect.

Oh what was the first claim I made without a source. Also you have yet to provide any actual source while with the one below I have provided two, one of which could easily have been looked up. Here you go for the discrimination one https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5178031/
The source you described to me meanwhile cannot easily be looked up since there are a ton of different studies in the USA about various health things released at various different times.

Now you actually going to list your source and continue to ignore the question on torture?

My previous post stating I will get to this.
So I promised I'd go about criticizing your paper for it's flaws, which I should, but won't due to laziness and the fact I can just make assertions utilizing your own source for my benefit.
For instance, If you actually check source 7 and 6 of your paper- you'll actually get the information you wanted:
(6) http://www.undp.org/content/dam/india/d ... lusion.pdf
"HIV prevalence among MSM populations was 7.4% as against the overall adult HIV prevalence of 0.36%. Until recently, Hijras/transgender people were included under the category of MSM in HIV sentinel serosurveillance. Recent studies among hijras/transgender (TG) women have indicated a very high HIV prevalence (17.5% to 41%) among them"
https://web.archive.org/web/20160825221 ... icide.html
(7) "Discrimination has prevented most trangenders from obtaining education, jobs and housing because of which they live in slums and have to resort to begging and sex work. Many of them are HIV-positive and find it very difficult to avail themselves of medical treatment."

Also, you gave me this source as a means of countering my original guess that high suicide rates are due to mental illness/instability.
"The suicidality among sexual minority community is associated with poor mental health condition in forms of mental illness, [20,21]"
But it also offers me an argument... Thanks, you asked me for sources and give them to me (to give back to you)... Feel free to scrutinize your own source, since it just saves me the trouble of doing it myself (hence my absolute laziness). All I have to do is grant your points, but mind still stands, and I'd agree that all those additional factors likely would lead someone who is mentally ill to commit suicide.

Can I get a list of those 15 states so I can avoid them and only travel to good ones.

1. California is a good state with a ban.
2. Don't worry. The conversion therapy bans don't do much anyways.

Well, never mind then, I guess like 49 states and I don't consider it torture or an issue of importance.

Makes yet another claim without a source, demands sources yet again. You get what you give, friend.I guess, one could say, you are what you read XD.

P.S., ~ no reason in addressing something that's clearly incorrect.

How is banning torture 'clearly incorrect'?

But that also depends, are we throwing the rest of the letters in? Because trans make gay men look pretty clean in comparison. Anyway.,
Ah, all the usual suspects. Now then, any state that would waste their time with this non-issue will most definitely be a wretched place to be (since they clearly won't be tackling real problems if they waste their time with these "issues").

So, a state won't address issues and is a wretched place because it addresses torture (because, according to you, banning torture is a 'non-issue')?

Well, clearly, me and 35 different states disagree that it's an issue. Hell, even the states that might care only started in 2016. Hit me up in a decade, assuming these bans haven't been overturned by law or the courts.

What's your argument here?

I am making the point that neither I, nor the vast majority of states, consider it an issue and as-such also do not consider it torture. You could argue, "that's just your opinion, bro". Sure, but I also don't have to argue it's not torture as nobody is required to prove a negative (not stating that's your argument, just informing you I'm in a significantly better position here).

You get me that list and I'll let you know.

It's a very simple question that doesn't require knowing the states that banned conversion therapy to answer.
You said that you would avoid those states and only travel to the good ones, he asked you why that makes the states not good.

*Scratches ass in absolutely daunting bewilderment* I gave him the answer (long before you posted this) but I made him work for it because there are things I want to, friendo.

Being a phone posting little shit

Well it's nice to see a degree of self-awareness from you.

If I may ask, o lord of edges, why gay people standing up for their rights bothers you so much? I'm assuming your straight, in which case conversion therapy will never be something you ever have to encounter.
So if it's a complete non-issue in your life then why are you so pissed off at the fact that LGBT folks' lives have been made better?

Or are you just one of those people who adopts a homophobic stance because he (and it's always a he) thinks it'll "own the libs"?

When I have children, how will I shock the gay out of them if conversion therapy is banned? What doesn't effect me today, may affect me tomorrow; better to have it and not need it, then to need it and not have it. Plus anti-therapy LGBT don't do it for gay rights, they do it for the children; except they don't, evident by your own post. These people, like many, just use children as a means of furthering their own political goals. I find that that, and them, pathetic in the way they run their movement (hence the disdain you've notice radiating from me).

Not sure what you are going on about with those other assertions, but I found it an entertaining read.

[Prydania]

I find that that, and them, pathetic in the way they run their movement (hence the disdain you've notice radiating from me).

It's clear that you have disdain for the existence of LGBT peoples, yes.

It's why that is that I find hilarious. And sad, but mostly hilarious.

[Zex]

I find that that, and them, pathetic in the way they run their movement (hence the disdain you've notice radiating from me).

It's clear that you have disdain for the existence of LGBT peoples, yes.
It's why that is that I find hilarious. And sad, but mostly hilarious.

Only when I find issue with them (primary by their own actions), obviously, even I will find common ground with the LGB from time-to-time.

[Prydania]

It's clear that you have disdain for the existence of LGBT peoples, yes.
It's why that is that I find hilarious. And sad, but mostly hilarious.

Only when I find issue with them (primary by their own actions), obviously, even I will find common ground with the LGB from time-to-time.

"Don't torture us" and "give us equal treatment under the law."

These are really the only things we want. Seems like you ought to be able to find common ground with those positions.

[Constitutional Technocracy of Minecraft]

Oh what was the first claim I made without a source. Also you have yet to provide any actual source while with the one below I have provided two, one of which could easily have been looked up. Here you go for the discrimination one https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5178031/
The source you described to me meanwhile cannot easily be looked up since there are a ton of different studies in the USA about various health things released at various different times.

Now you actually going to list your source and continue to ignore the question on torture?

My previous post stating I will get to this.
So I promised I'd go about criticizing your paper for it's flaws, which I should, but won't due to laziness and the fact I can just make assertions utilizing your own source for my benefit.
For instance, If you actually check source 7 and 6 of your paper- you'll actually get the information you wanted:
(6) http://www.undp.org/content/dam/india/d ... lusion.pdf
"HIV prevalence among MSM populations was 7.4% as against the overall adult HIV prevalence of 0.36%. Until recently, Hijras/transgender people were included under the category of MSM in HIV sentinel serosurveillance. Recent studies among hijras/transgender (TG) women have indicated a very high HIV prevalence (17.5% to 41%) among them"
https://web.archive.org/web/20160825221 ... icide.html
(7) "Discrimination has prevented most trangenders from obtaining education, jobs and housing because of which they live in slums and have to resort to begging and sex work. Many of them are HIV-positive and find it very difficult to avail themselves of medical treatment."

Also, you gave me this source as a means of countering my original guess that high suicide rates are due to mental illness/instability.
"The suicidality among sexual minority community is associated with poor mental health condition in forms of mental illness, [20,21]"
But it also offers me an argument... Thanks, you asked me for sources and give them to me (to give back to you)... Feel free to scrutinize your own source, since it just saves me the trouble of doing it myself (hence my absolute laziness). All I have to do is grant your points, but mind still stands, and I'd agree that all those additional factors likely would lead someone who is mentally ill to commit suicide.

1. California is a good state with a ban.
2. Don't worry. The conversion therapy bans don't do much anyways.

Well, never mind then, I guess like 49 states and I don't consider it torture or an issue of importance.

How is banning torture 'clearly incorrect'?So, a state won't address issues and is a wretched place because it addresses torture (because, according to you, banning torture is a 'non-issue')?What's your argument here?

I am making the point that neither I, nor the vast majority of states, consider it an issue and as-such also do not consider it torture. You could argue, "that's just your opinion, bro". Sure, but I also don't have to argue it's not torture as nobody is required to prove a negative (not stating that's your argument, just informing you I'm in a significantly better position here).

It's a very simple question that doesn't require knowing the states that banned conversion therapy to answer.
You said that you would avoid those states and only travel to the good ones, he asked you why that makes the states not good.

*Scratches ass in absolutely daunting bewilderment* I gave him the answer (long before you posted this) but I made him work for it because there are things I want to, friendo.

Well it's nice to see a degree of self-awareness from you.

If I may ask, o lord of edges, why gay people standing up for their rights bothers you so much? I'm assuming your straight, in which case conversion therapy will never be something you ever have to encounter.
So if it's a complete non-issue in your life then why are you so pissed off at the fact that LGBT folks' lives have been made better?

Or are you just one of those people who adopts a homophobic stance because he (and it's always a he) thinks it'll "own the libs"?

When I have children, how will I shock the gay out of them if conversion therapy is banned? What doesn't effect me today, may affect me tomorrow; better to have it and not need it, then to need it and not have it. Plus anti-therapy LGBT don't do it for gay rights, they do it for the children; except they don't, evident by your own post. These people, like many, just use children as a means of furthering their own political goals. I find that that, and them, pathetic in the way they run their movement (hence the disdain you've notice radiating from me).

Not sure what you are going on about with those other assertions, but I found it an entertaining read.

1. Conversion therapy commonly causes side-effects such as depression and loss of all sexual feeling. Conversion therapy used as a solution to high rates of mental illness in LGBT+ individuals is just pouring oil on the fire.
2. There is no scientific evidence which remotely suggests that conversion therapy works. Scientific evidence suggests that homosexuality is a complex genetic trait, and thus it is impossible to convert LGBT+ individuals with anything short of genetic engineering.

[-Ocelot-]

I will never understand this obsession some conservatives have with trying to torture people into denying a part of their identity.

It's about social control. It's hard to control a society that is free and diverse.

[New haven america]

Ah Summer, you never fail to disappoint me.

[New haven america]

I will never understand this obsession some conservatives have with trying to torture people into denying a part of their identity.

It's about social control. It's hard to control a society that is free and diverse.

As well as keeping tradition, as if somethings a tradition then it must be right. How else would it become a tradition?