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Postby The New California Republic » Thu Jul 26, 2018 12:58 pm

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Why do you have to post this?

An agreement with my parents that is meant to keep me in church and in agreement with them and in return I get to do other stuff.

Jeez Louise. :?
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Postby Godular » Thu Jul 26, 2018 1:05 pm

For Delaware: Yay!

For current tangent of discussion: Dafuq? The idea of free will is really big in religious circles, and the idea of just... handing it off like that is just surreal.
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Thu Jul 26, 2018 1:08 pm

Godular wrote:For Delaware: Yay!


Concerning it for minors, yes, I think it is a step in the right direction.
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Postby Petrasylvania » Thu Jul 26, 2018 1:08 pm

Geneviev wrote:
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Psychology Today is not a blog, and Wiki also provides links to the sources used to make the article.

It kind of is, and the sources aren't reliable.

Next you'll claim that making kids butt chug Clorox will cure them of autism.
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Postby Geneviev » Thu Jul 26, 2018 1:17 pm

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Geneviev wrote:It kind of is, and the sources aren't reliable.

Next you'll claim that making kids butt chug Clorox will cure them of autism.

No, that's stupid and abusive.
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Thu Jul 26, 2018 1:18 pm

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Petrasylvania wrote:Next you'll claim that making kids butt chug Clorox will cure them of autism.

No, that's stupid and abusive.


Some people view conversion therapy as that too, stupid and abusive.
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Postby Senkaku » Thu Jul 26, 2018 1:20 pm

Geneviev wrote:
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Why do you have to post this?

An agreement with my parents that is meant to keep me in church and in agreement with them and in return I get to do other stuff.

...and the agreement with your parents involved you going on NSG and posting what they want you to post...? I mean, it's your business, that just seems like a rather weird term to throw in there.
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Postby The New California Republic » Thu Jul 26, 2018 1:22 pm

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Geneviev wrote:No, that's stupid and abusive.


Some people view conversion therapy as that too, stupid and abusive.

Yup. One of the reasons conversion therapy has such a bad press is that there have been shocking cases of serious abuse, resulting in long-term psychological issues.
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Postby Geneviev » Thu Jul 26, 2018 1:23 pm

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Geneviev wrote:No, that's stupid and abusive.


Some people view conversion therapy as that too, stupid and abusive.

Scary is a better word.

Anyways, the two are sort of different. Autism doesn't need to be cured.
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Postby Sovaal » Thu Jul 26, 2018 1:23 pm

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Geneviev wrote:No, that's stupid and abusive.


Some people view conversion therapy as that too, stupid and abusive.

Id say that’s puting it pretty mildly.
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Thu Jul 26, 2018 1:23 pm

The New California Republic wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Some people view conversion therapy as that too, stupid and abusive.

Yup. One of the reasons conversion therapy has such a bad press is that there have been shocking cases of serious abuse, resulting in long-term psychological issues.


Oh, quite true. I mean, the literature on such cases is rather extensive.
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Postby Sovaal » Thu Jul 26, 2018 1:23 pm

Geneviev wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Some people view conversion therapy as that too, stupid and abusive.

Scary is a better word.

Anyways, the two are sort of different. Autism doesn't need to be cured.

Homosexuality isn’t something that needs to be cured either.
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Thu Jul 26, 2018 1:24 pm

Geneviev wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Some people view conversion therapy as that too, stupid and abusive.

Scary is a better word.

Anyways, the two are sort of different. Autism doesn't need to be cured.


Autism has nothing to do with conversion therapy. And scary is putting it mildly. It is a bunch of abusive practice set on pseudo-science.
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Postby The New California Republic » Thu Jul 26, 2018 1:25 pm

Geneviev wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Some people view conversion therapy as that too, stupid and abusive.

Scary is a better word.

No...just...no. "Stupid" and "Abusive" are very much the correct words here.
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Postby Petrasylvania » Thu Jul 26, 2018 1:26 pm

Geneviev wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Some people view conversion therapy as that too, stupid and abusive.

Scary is a better word.

Anyways, the two are sort of different. Autism doesn't need to be cured.

Lefthandedness "needed to be cured" for a long time too also with abuse involved.
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Thu Jul 26, 2018 1:26 pm

The New California Republic wrote:
Geneviev wrote:Scary is a better word.

No...just...no. "Stupid" and "Abusive" are very much the correct words here.


That's probably her parents posting, or her posting. Who knows. She may hold these views and is bullshitting us by saying her parents make her do it. I have cease believing anything she posts.
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Postby Geneviev » Thu Jul 26, 2018 1:28 pm

The New California Republic wrote:
Geneviev wrote:Scary is a better word.

No...just...no. "Stupid" and "Abusive" are very much the correct words here.

Stupid, abusive, and scary.
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Postby The Serbian Empire » Thu Jul 26, 2018 1:29 pm

Sovaal wrote:
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Some people view conversion therapy as that too, stupid and abusive.

Id say that’s puting it pretty mildly.

I describe it as full blown torture.
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Postby The New California Republic » Thu Jul 26, 2018 1:30 pm

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:No...just...no. "Stupid" and "Abusive" are very much the correct words here.


That's probably her parents posting, or her posting. Who knows. She may hold these views and is bullshitting us by saying her parents make her do it. I have cease believing anything she posts.

See, this is why I dislike the thought of people posting the opinions of others without attribution, it just turns into a colossal mindfuck in terms of trying to figure out whose voice is speaking here.
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Thu Jul 26, 2018 1:32 pm

The Serbian Empire wrote:
Sovaal wrote:Id say that’s puting it pretty mildly.

I describe it as full blown torture.


There's evidence of psychological damage being rather severe and that it can take years for it to be repaired.
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Hatterleigh wrote:Conversion therapy doesn't work so I guess thats ok but if we get a thing that can like make some gay person straight with minimal psychological distress I think we should allow it

Considering you once trotted out “Nazis aren’t really antisemitic just because they deny the Holocaust” in a SC thread? Well this doesn’t shock me.

So tell me, oh glorious ethno-nationalist, why is it a problem if gay people are just gay? Why does that bother you?
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Postby San Lumen » Thu Jul 26, 2018 3:25 pm

Hatterleigh wrote:Conversion therapy doesn't work so I guess thats ok but if we get a thing that can like make some gay person straight with minimal psychological distress I think we should allow it

However that is is not possible.

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Postby Notovasian Tsardom » Thu Jul 26, 2018 3:25 pm

As a LGBT Person, this makes me happy, but....


..Why does it matter? The bill bans involuntary therapies from being practiced by licensed professionals. It does not cover unlicensed people trying to make a quick buck. Even then, the practice and, by extension, the image of it, is slowly but surely dying out, as people who believe firmly in it get slowly pushed out by the younger generations, which very well will end up with this practice being well and truly outlawed, but that timeframe my be extended if the newer generation carries the same ideals as the older one.
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