Delaware bans Conversion Therapy

[Geneviev]

1. California is a good state with a ban.
2. Don't worry. The conversion therapy bans don't do much anyways.

1. Negatory.
2. Well, like, hopefully they would put a stop to people being forced to undergo conversion therapy.

Only minors. And only when it's by a licensed professional. So it's possible to get conversion therapy as a minor too.

[Constitutional Technocracy of Minecraft]

15th state to ban [. . .] conversion therapy

Can I get a list of those 15 states so I can avoid them and only travel to good ones.

Conversion therapy not only is laughably ineffective (scientific evidence suggests that homosexuality is genetic), but often has major side-effects such as depression and loss of all sexual feeling

[Estanglia]

It may not be a choice and is biological however we should do everything in our power to convert them whether it be medication or therapy and if they still are how they are then we should leave them be. choice or not being gay spreads diseases like HIV and aids and if the person is bi they can spread it to both men and women. It also decreases our population. To be gay is ok but it should not be condoned. Thank you for your time

The inaccuracies in this post killed off some of my brain cells. I hope the rest can describe the inaccuracies:
1) You're advocating to forcibly change something that, as you admit, may not be a choice. That, at the very least, is ineffective.
2) Being gay doesn't spread HIV.
3) Being gay doesn't reduce the population.

Explain why banning conversion therapy for minors makes a state a bad state.

You get me that list and I'll let you know.

It's a very simple question that doesn't require knowing the states that banned conversion therapy to answer.
You said that you would avoid those states and only travel to the good ones, he asked you why that makes the states not good.

Being gay does not spread HIV (AIDS and HIV are the same thing, AIDS just being the final stages of active HIV). Provide evidence that being gay decreases the population, particularly since artificial insemination is a thing. Also given that we have kids who age out of the adoptions centers, why is this necessarily a bad thing?

Except it's a know fact that HIV/AIDs rates are much higher among the gays.
No clue, I'll let the person you quoted deal with that.
Gays are such a small percentage of the population, implying that they will in any way dent the number of children we have up for adoption is a laughable implication.

Correlation =/= causation.

No, outside sources are a rather big cause (discrimination). Another is of course being unable to transition due to various reasons, some external(no places willing to do the surgery/medical intervention) and some internal (lack of money). Please link your source I was unable to find it based on your description.

Makes yet another claim without a source, demands sources yet again. You get what you give, friend.

I think I've become dumber after reading this tripe. Holy fuck.

I guess, one could say, you are what you read XD.

P.S., ~ no reason in addressing something that's clearly incorrect.

How is banning torture 'clearly incorrect'?

http://www.letmegooglethat.com/?q=Place ... banned+USA
That would be due to a history of not being monogamous due to society stigmatizing them. Oh and it might be higher among male homosexuals, it is lower among lesbians.

But that also depends, are we throwing the rest of the letters in? Because trans make gay men look pretty clean in comparison. Anyway.,
Ah, all the usual suspects. Now then, any state that would waste their time with this non-issue will most definitely be a wretched place to be (since they clearly won't be tackling real problems if they waste their time with these "issues").

So, a state won't address issues and is a wretched place because it addresses torture (because, according to you, banning torture is a 'non-issue')?

Well, clearly, me and 35 different states disagree that it's an issue. Hell, even the states that might care only started in 2016. Hit me up in a decade, assuming these bans haven't been overturned by law or the courts.

What's your argument here?

[Constitutional Technocracy of Minecraft]

It may not be a choice and is biological however we should do everything in our power to convert them whether it be medication or therapy and if they still are how they are then we should leave them be. choice or not being gay spreads diseases like HIV and aids and if the person is bi they can spread it to both men and women. It also decreases our population. To be gay is ok but it should not be condoned. Thank you for your time

1. Conversion therapy is completely ineffective and is highly damaging for the person's mental health.
2. The proportion of the population which is LGBT+ is far too small to have a significant effect on population growth, and the "gay uncle effect" may overcompensate for reduced population growth.
3. The risk of HIV transmission can be massively reduced by antiretroviral medication for infected individuals and just using a fucking condom.

[Wallenburg]

Can I get a list of those 15 states so I can avoid them and only travel to good ones.

1. California is a good state with a ban.
2. Don't worry. The conversion therapy bans don't do much anyways.

California has not yet banned conversion therapy, but the state Senate has scheduled it for debate tomorrow. There's a good chance it will pass into law in the next few days.

[Crockerland]

This is great news, my state has banned Conversion Therapy for minors as well and I am very proud of that fact, hopefully all 50 states and all territories of the United States will ban it soon enough; Trying to change a child's sexual orientation, gender, etc. when they are not at least 18 should be considered child abuse.

[Petrasylvania]

This is great news, my state has banned Conversion Therapy for minors as well and I am very proud of that fact, hopefully all 50 states and all territories of the United States will ban it soon enough; Trying to change a child's sexual orientation, gender, etc. when they are not at least 18 should be considered child abuse.

Oh hey, edgy transphobic "comedy".

[Geneviev]

1. California is a good state with a ban.
2. Don't worry. The conversion therapy bans don't do much anyways.

California has not yet banned conversion therapy, but the state Senate has scheduled it for debate tomorrow. There's a good chance it will pass into law in the next few days.

California has banned it for minors, definitely. They're trying to improve the ban though, at least that's what I heard. Since it isn't doing much to protect LGBT kids.

[Crockerland]

This is great news, my state has banned Conversion Therapy for minors as well and I am very proud of that fact, hopefully all 50 states and all territories of the United States will ban it soon enough; Trying to change a child's sexual orientation, gender, etc. when they are not at least 18 should be considered child abuse.

Oh hey, edgy transphobic "comedy".

You've always put words in peoples' mouths but this is a pretty strange comment, even in the context of your bizarre library of strawmen. Usually I have to at least disagree with you before you call me racist/sexist/white supremacist/etc.

[Liriena]

Conversion therapy is an atrocity and should be treated as such.

[Liriena]

being gay spreads diseases like HIV and aids

No.

[Page]

This is great news, my state has banned Conversion Therapy for minors as well and I am very proud of that fact, hopefully all 50 states and all territories of the United States will ban it soon enough; Trying to change a child's sexual orientation, gender, etc. when they are not at least 18 should be considered child abuse.

Oh hey, edgy transphobic "comedy".

Pretty sure the post you quoted was the opposite of transphobic.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

choice or not being gay spreads diseases like HIV and aids

So does being straight.

[Petrasylvania]

Oh hey, edgy transphobic "comedy".

Pretty sure the post you quoted was the opposite of transphobic.

Nothing transphobic about telling transgender kids that they have to wait until 18 to transition? That's breaking news.

[Estanglia]

This is great news, my state has banned Conversion Therapy for minors as well and I am very proud of that fact, hopefully all 50 states and all territories of the United States will ban it soon enough; Trying to change a child's sexual orientation, gender, etc. when they are not at least 18 should be considered child abuse.

Oh hey, edgy transphobic "comedy".

How far deep in the 'irrelevant comments nobody said' bag did you have to reach to get that candy?
Firstly, it wasn't nor was intended to be comedy, and it's the opposite of transphobic. They're expressing their opposition to any form of conversion therapy to minors, including ones aimed at changing genders.

[Estanglia]

Pretty sure the post you quoted was the opposite of transphobic.

Nothing transphobic about telling transgender kids that they have to wait until 18 to transition? That's breaking news.

I'm pretty sure they're talking conversion therapy aimed at convincing transgender youth that their belief they're the opposite gender is incorrect.
If I'm simply reading the post wrong, I'm sorry.

[Petrasylvania]

Nothing transphobic about telling transgender kids that they have to wait until 18 to transition? That's breaking news.

I'm pretty sure they're talking conversion therapy aimed at convincing transgender youth that their belief they're the opposite gender is incorrect.
If I'm simply reading the post wrong, I'm sorry.

I read it as "Letting minors transition is child abuse".

[Crockerland]

Pretty sure the post you quoted was the opposite of transphobic.

Nothing transphobic about telling transgender kids that they have to wait until 18 to transition? That's breaking news.

1. I was obviously saying people with gender dysphoria under the age of 18 shouldn't have conversion therapy to "cure" them of it.
2. Why do you feel the need to blatantly misrepresent what other people are saying to white knight people who weren't even under attack? This isn't the first time you've done this to me and it's pretty strange.
3. As for whether your specific strawman is transphobic, you're going to have to define "kids" and "transition", if you think it's transphobic to be against giving 7 year olds extensive surgery and chemical treatments then I think that speaks for itself for the most part, I have no problem with teenagers changing their legally recognized gender (IE: birth certificate, driver's license, etc.) though my actual position on any given issue is unlikely to be taken into account in your posts.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

I'm conflicted on this.
I absolutely believe that conversion therapy done on children and teens should be outlawed, but if for some strange reason a consenting adult wished to be tortured, they should be able to get as much as they liked. Luckily though none of them would stay in business long enough with only those odd customers to prop them up

[Geneviev]

I'm conflicted on this.
I absolutely believe that conversion therapy done on children and teens should be outlawed, but if for some strange reason a consenting adult wished to be tortured, they should be able to get as much as they liked. Luckily though none of them would stay in business long enough with only those odd customers to prop them up

None of the conversion therapy "bans" actually affect adults to make it a simpler issue.

[Crockerland]

I'm conflicted on this.
I absolutely believe that conversion therapy done on children and teens should be outlawed, but if for some strange reason a consenting adult wished to be tortured, they should be able to get as much as they liked. Luckily though none of them would stay in business long enough with only those odd customers to prop them up

http://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/398450-delaware-becomes-15th-state-to-ban-conversion-therapy
"Delaware Gov. John Carney (D) signed a new law on Monday banning licensed mental health professionals in the state from practicing gay conversion therapy on minors."

[Greater vakolicci haven]

I'm conflicted on this.
I absolutely believe that conversion therapy done on children and teens should be outlawed, but if for some strange reason a consenting adult wished to be tortured, they should be able to get as much as they liked. Luckily though none of them would stay in business long enough with only those odd customers to prop them up

http://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/398450-delaware-becomes-15th-state-to-ban-conversion-therapy
"Delaware Gov. John Carney (D) signed a new law on Monday banning licensed mental health professionals in the state from practicing gay conversion therapy on minors."

I really should read the sources more.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

I think I've become dumber after reading this tripe. Holy fuck.

I love how they are ignoring my question of if torture is a minor issue.

If they're pro conversion therapy, count on the fact that they may very well view torture as ok.

[San Lumen]

I'm conflicted on this.
I absolutely believe that conversion therapy done on children and teens should be outlawed, but if for some strange reason a consenting adult wished to be tortured, they should be able to get as much as they liked. Luckily though none of them would stay in business long enough with only those odd customers to prop them up

I do not care who wants it should be outlawed. Conversion therapy is mostly done on teens and children though.

[San Lumen]

It may not be a choice and is biological however we should do everything in our power to convert them whether it be medication or therapy and if they still are how they are then we should leave them be. choice or not being gay spreads diseases like HIV and aids and if the person is bi they can spread it to both men and women. It also decreases our population. To be gay is ok but it should not be condoned. Thank you for your time

Being gay is not a choice nor a disease.