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Is ignorance an excuse for racism?

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Postby Thermodolia » Mon Jul 23, 2018 4:16 pm

Marxist Rainbow wrote:
Uxupox wrote:
im was poor and uneducated. i didn't blame nobody but myself for my previous predicament and I made it easily out that whole with sheer diligence. Maybe people should try that method instead of trying to dick it to others just for the persona of being born.


Well, if you are white, do I have to realy explain your success?

If you are black, congratulations. I am genuinely happy for you.

And that makes you no better than the racists you claim to hate

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Postby Marxist Rainbow » Mon Jul 23, 2018 4:16 pm

Petrolheadia wrote:
Marxist Rainbow wrote:
Answer the question?

Even if the police are racist, this still doesn't make black criminals less guilty.


But you admit that the police might be racist?
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I'm not going to spoon feed you. I'll start you out with CIA-Contra.

What does a bunch of Nicaraguan anti-communists have to do with black Americans?

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Postby Petrolheadia » Mon Jul 23, 2018 4:17 pm

Marxist Rainbow wrote:
Petrolheadia wrote:Even if the police are racist, this still doesn't make black criminals less guilty.


But you admit that the police might be racist?

What does it have to do with black people deciding to commit crimes?
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Postby Thermodolia » Mon Jul 23, 2018 4:17 pm

Khabarovsk Kray wrote:
The South Falls wrote:Do you really identify with the poor if you say that?


Perhaps Beria would

That creep?
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Postby Marxist Rainbow » Mon Jul 23, 2018 4:17 pm

Petrolheadia wrote:
Marxist Rainbow wrote:
But you admit that the police might be racist?

What does it have to do with black people deciding to commit crimes?


Why dodge the question?
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Marxist Rainbow wrote:
I'm not going to spoon feed you. I'll start you out with CIA-Contra.

What does a bunch of Nicaraguan anti-communists have to do with black Americans?

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Postby The New California Republic » Mon Jul 23, 2018 4:18 pm

Marxist Rainbow wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:Yes, because the "system" (whatever "system" it is you are referring to...?) forces people to become criminals, doesn't it(!) :roll:


So white men and black men are profiled and approached by the police in the same way?

Prejudice by some police officers isn't a "system"...
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Postby The South Falls » Mon Jul 23, 2018 4:18 pm

And no, ignorance is not an excuse for racism.
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Postby Petrolheadia » Mon Jul 23, 2018 4:18 pm

Marxist Rainbow wrote:
Petrolheadia wrote:If you like going deep, get yourself a digger.


A "digger", huh? HMMMMMMMMM.

Just felt like making a little snigger.
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Postby Thermodolia » Mon Jul 23, 2018 4:19 pm

Marxist Rainbow wrote:
Petrolheadia wrote:Even if the police are racist, this still doesn't make black criminals less guilty.


But you admit that the police might be racist?

Well ya. Everyone is a little bit racist. But you still can’t use that to excuse crime rates of certain demographics
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Postby Petrolheadia » Mon Jul 23, 2018 4:19 pm

Marxist Rainbow wrote:
Petrolheadia wrote:What does it have to do with black people deciding to commit crimes?


Why dodge the question?

The police being racist would not nullify the criminal responsibility of black criminals.
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Postby Gig em Aggies » Mon Jul 23, 2018 4:19 pm

Marxist Rainbow wrote:
Petrolheadia wrote:What does it have to do with black people deciding to commit crimes?


Why dodge the question?

The same can be said for you why are you dodging all the questions your getting?
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Postby Marxist Rainbow » Mon Jul 23, 2018 4:20 pm

So when we have things like this in the world, somehow it is ok for an influential rapper to basically mimic the same hate speech as neo nazis?
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Marxist Rainbow wrote:
I'm not going to spoon feed you. I'll start you out with CIA-Contra.

What does a bunch of Nicaraguan anti-communists have to do with black Americans?

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Postby Petrolheadia » Mon Jul 23, 2018 4:21 pm

Marxist Rainbow wrote:So when we have things like this in the world, somehow it is ok for an influential rapper to basically mimic the same hate speech as neo nazis?

Different rappers have different flaws. This guy is a racist, another one is a big spender, etc.
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Postby Kanadorika » Mon Jul 23, 2018 4:21 pm

If white and asians are more successful in American society, perhaps acting more like "the white man" is what black Americans need to do.

Hell, it clearly works when successful blacks get called out for being "uncle toms."
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Postby Thermodolia » Mon Jul 23, 2018 4:22 pm

Marxist Rainbow wrote:So when we have things like this in the world, somehow it is ok for an influential rapper to basically mimic the same hate speech as neo nazis?

YouTube isn’t a source. And said rapper isn’t even near Nazi levels of dumb. You are getting there though
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Postby Petrolheadia » Mon Jul 23, 2018 4:23 pm

Kanadorika wrote:If white and asians are more successful in American society, perhaps acting more like "the white man" is what black Americans need to do.

Hell, it clearly works when successful blacks get called out for being "uncle toms."

Yeah.

Those complaining about prejudice putting black people down should read about the abuses Asians endured in the US, including actual internment camps for the Japanese, and look at how they are the highest-income racial group now.
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Postby Otira » Mon Jul 23, 2018 4:26 pm

Kanadorika wrote:If white and asians are more successful in American society, perhaps acting more like "the white man" is what black Americans need to do.

Hell, it clearly works when successful blacks get called out for being "uncle toms."


Stupid question but what does it mean to act white? Go to school?

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Postby Petrolheadia » Mon Jul 23, 2018 4:27 pm

Otira wrote:
Kanadorika wrote:If white and asians are more successful in American society, perhaps acting more like "the white man" is what black Americans need to do.

Hell, it clearly works when successful blacks get called out for being "uncle toms."


Stupid question but what does it mean to act white? Go to school?

Working for own betterment instead of complaining about "white oppression" and waiting for stuff to be magically fixed by the whites.
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Postby Frankland » Mon Jul 23, 2018 4:27 pm

Marxist Rainbow wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:The person committing the crime, perhaps? You know, the thing called "taking responsibility for one's actions"?


But the system isn't to blame at all then. Oh, nevermind, i've changed my opinion now, thanks.

OF COURSE people should take personal responsibility. But the system is still there, and receives none of the blame.

The idea that we have to wait for "the system" of headwinds for blacks economically to be fixed before blacks will feel they have a chance to get out of their situation is how you know our grand kids will be talking about this thread on NSG while Latinos will be fully integrated.

Yes, it sucks the first thing people think when they see other people is often how people that look similar have historically acted / made them feel in the past. It is also a very hardwired thing we do. It's not likely to be changed via social movements. If that's what we're waiting on, yikes!
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Postby The New California Republic » Mon Jul 23, 2018 4:28 pm

Otira wrote:
Kanadorika wrote:If white and asians are more successful in American society, perhaps acting more like "the white man" is what black Americans need to do.

Hell, it clearly works when successful blacks get called out for being "uncle toms."


Stupid question but what does it mean to act white? Go to school?

Dunno. It is one of those nebulous things like "straight-acting", nebulous to such an extent that it is effectively meaningless, just a buzzword with no real substance.
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Postby Petrolheadia » Mon Jul 23, 2018 4:29 pm

Frankland wrote:
Marxist Rainbow wrote:
But the system isn't to blame at all then. Oh, nevermind, i've changed my opinion now, thanks.

OF COURSE people should take personal responsibility. But the system is still there, and receives none of the blame.

The idea that we have to wait for "the system" of headwinds for blacks economically to be fixed before blacks will feel they have a chance to get out of their situation is how you know our grand kids will be talking about this thread on NSG while Latinos will be fully integrated.

Yes, it sucks the first thing people think when they see other people is often how people that look similar have historically acted / made them feel in the past. It is also a very hardwired thing we do. It's not likely to be changed via social movements. If that's what we're waiting on, yikes!

And that's how you don't get stuff like the Japanese going from internment camps to full integration in some 60 years or so.
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Postby Kanadorika » Mon Jul 23, 2018 4:30 pm

Otira wrote:
Kanadorika wrote:If white and asians are more successful in American society, perhaps acting more like "the white man" is what black Americans need to do.

Hell, it clearly works when successful blacks get called out for being "uncle toms."


Stupid question but what does it mean to act white? Go to school?


Graduating highschool is a big. These are the stats by race in my own state of California.

total, white, hispanic, black, asian/pacific islander
78, 86, 73, 66, 90

Also, rejecting gang culture, encouraging learning and higher education, and ensuring the children grow up in a two parent household helps.
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Postby Englar Empire » Mon Jul 23, 2018 4:30 pm

As long as the blacks think being smart is "acting white", it will be.

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Postby Petrolheadia » Mon Jul 23, 2018 4:31 pm

Kanadorika wrote:
Otira wrote:
Stupid question but what does it mean to act white? Go to school?


Graduating highschool is a big. These are the stats by race in my own state of California.

total, white, hispanic, asian/pacific islander
78, 86, 73, 66, 90

Also, rejecting gang culture, encouraging learning and higher education, and ensuring the children grow up in a two parent household helps.

You seem to have forgotten black people in your statistical labels.
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Postby Kanadorika » Mon Jul 23, 2018 4:32 pm

Petrolheadia wrote:
Kanadorika wrote:
Graduating highschool is a big. These are the stats by race in my own state of California.

total, white, hispanic, asian/pacific islander
78, 86, 73, 66, 90

Also, rejecting gang culture, encouraging learning and higher education, and ensuring the children grow up in a two parent household helps.

You seem to have forgotten black people in your statistical labels.

Whoops, edited it in. Blacks are the 66 percent
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