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Is ignorance an excuse for racism?

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Postby Gig em Aggies » Mon Jul 23, 2018 3:48 pm

Marxist Rainbow wrote:
Gig em Aggies wrote:So I guess it's ignorant and racist to own up that most of the black communities problems is their own. Let me ask you this how is it white peoples fault that a young black teen joins a gang to rob, sell drugs and commit assaults and murder? I say it's racist and ignorant to think that every problem in the black community is caused by white people.


Your privilege is showing.

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damn this system that this white people put out to get me. must be seen em in the shadows lurkin' and all hulkin', trying to steal all my shit.

how about people own up to their mistakes, fix their shit and just walk.


How about white people own up to the fact that their government protects and nourishes them over people of color? How about they acknowledge 200 years of slavery and subjugation and disenfranchisement?

How am I showing privilege my family wasn't rich I didn't get to go on vacations often or get to buy fancy ass cars or have a really big house, because guess the fuck what I had to work at multiple minimum wage jobs that I hated over 12 years and I also had to go to school so I can have a better life then my parents. I show no privilege and the fact that you still try to put the blame on modern generations for "sins of our past" shows your very ignorant and intolerant how about you read up on the history of white Europeans and see that a majority of them were very poor and taken advantage of by the rich elite. Quit using the color of my skin to shame me for something I a man over 200 years removed from. The sooner people quite blaming the whites of today for enslavement of the past the better this world will be.
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Postby The New California Republic » Mon Jul 23, 2018 3:50 pm

Otira wrote:Considering the OP's national animal and currency are "Numale" and "Soy", both of which are memes constantly spammed from 4chan, without trollnaming I have to suggest that this thread may be something of a falseflag.

Interesting. That changes my attitude to the thread and to the OP, in that I will take it with a hefty pinch of salt...
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Postby Marxist Rainbow » Mon Jul 23, 2018 3:52 pm

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:It's not a racist statement, it is true that the black community needs to fix a good chunk of their problems. A lot of people who condemn criminals who happen to be black are incorrectly called racist. Criminals shouldn't be considered victims, they should be considered predators. I don't think the guy is racist against his own race, I think he was being hyperbolic.


But white people still as a whole haven't owned up to their part in it? Many criminals are victims of circumstance. Poverty breeds crime. The state breeds poverty.
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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Mon Jul 23, 2018 3:53 pm

Neo-Romanum wrote:
Otira wrote:Considering the OP's national animal and currency are "Numale" and "Soy", both of which are memes constantly spammed from 4chan, without trollnaming I have to suggest that this thread may be something of a falseflag.

Nice catch.

He just changed his national animal to "bear" and his national currency to the "Marx" about five minutes ago. He's trying to cover it up.

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Postby Otira » Mon Jul 23, 2018 3:55 pm

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:
Neo-Romanum wrote:Nice catch.

He just changed his national animal to "bear" and his national currency to the "Marx" about five minutes ago. He's trying to cover it up.

Looks like a 4chan troll then.

I didn't think to screencap it before. Did anyone else look at it?

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Postby Gig em Aggies » Mon Jul 23, 2018 3:55 pm

Marxist Rainbow wrote:
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:It's not a racist statement, it is true that the black community needs to fix a good chunk of their problems. A lot of people who condemn criminals who happen to be black are incorrectly called racist. Criminals shouldn't be considered victims, they should be considered predators. I don't think the guy is racist against his own race, I think he was being hyperbolic.


But white people still as a whole haven't owned up to their part in it? Many criminals are victims of circumstance. Poverty breeds crime. The state breeds poverty.

And how's is that the fault of white people there are plenty of jobs out there to make money the right way even though it's minimum wage it's the persons own fault he or she turns to criminal activity not white people. Plus your intolerance and ignorance is still showing.
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Postby The New California Republic » Mon Jul 23, 2018 3:56 pm

Marxist Rainbow wrote:
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:It's not a racist statement, it is true that the black community needs to fix a good chunk of their problems. A lot of people who condemn criminals who happen to be black are incorrectly called racist. Criminals shouldn't be considered victims, they should be considered predators. I don't think the guy is racist against his own race, I think he was being hyperbolic.


But white people still as a whole haven't owned up to their part in it? Many criminals are victims of circumstance. Poverty breeds crime. The state breeds poverty.

And why are current white people somehow responsible for things that happened before they were even born? What a load of nonsense. Guilt doesn't get passed down a family line like the family heirlooms...
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Postby Petrolheadia » Mon Jul 23, 2018 3:57 pm

Marxist Rainbow wrote:
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:It's not a racist statement, it is true that the black community needs to fix a good chunk of their problems. A lot of people who condemn criminals who happen to be black are incorrectly called racist. Criminals shouldn't be considered victims, they should be considered predators. I don't think the guy is racist against his own race, I think he was being hyperbolic.


But white people still as a whole haven't owned up to their part in it?

Mostly because it's hard to find a solution to a nationwide racial inequality problem.

Also, you can't fix a community's problem without the community trying to fix it first. You can't sit around and wait for the white folks.
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Postby The New California Republic » Mon Jul 23, 2018 3:57 pm

Otira wrote:
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:He just changed his national animal to "bear" and his national currency to the "Marx" about five minutes ago. He's trying to cover it up.

Looks like a 4chan troll then.

I didn't think to screencap it before. Did anyone else look at it?


This is evidence enough for me:
9 minutes ago: Marxist Rainbow changed its national animal to "Bear" and its currency to "Marx".
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Postby Thermodolia » Mon Jul 23, 2018 3:58 pm

Marxist Rainbow wrote:
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:It's not a racist statement, it is true that the black community needs to fix a good chunk of their problems. A lot of people who condemn criminals who happen to be black are incorrectly called racist. Criminals shouldn't be considered victims, they should be considered predators. I don't think the guy is racist against his own race, I think he was being hyperbolic.


But white people still as a whole haven't owned up to their part in it? Many criminals are victims of circumstance. Poverty breeds crime. The state breeds poverty.

Ok this is partly true but that doesn’t mean it’s the white man’s fault. Poverty is hard to reverse especially when the Criminal underworld provides better protection than anything else.

Also no the state doesn’t breed poverty. We won’t have any of that anarchist claptrap here
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Postby Petrolheadia » Mon Jul 23, 2018 3:58 pm

Gig em Aggies wrote:
Marxist Rainbow wrote:
But white people still as a whole haven't owned up to their part in it? Many criminals are victims of circumstance. Poverty breeds crime. The state breeds poverty.

And how's is that the fault of white people there are plenty of jobs out there to make money the right way even though it's minimum wage it's the persons own fault he or she turns to criminal activity not white people.

Not to mention various well-paying low-education blue-collar jobs, like the construction ones or trucking.

The father of a guy I know went from trailer trash to a large upstate NY house and two nearly-new Cadillacs by long-haul trucking.
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Postby Palloth » Mon Jul 23, 2018 3:58 pm

I think we should just do away with race altogether. When it comes down to it, are we all not just sacs of organic matter with the ability to talk?

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Postby Petrasylvania » Mon Jul 23, 2018 3:59 pm

Welp, if he was hoping to post rare screencaps to his /pol/ pals he's gonna be disappointed.
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Postby Otira » Mon Jul 23, 2018 3:59 pm

Palloth wrote:I think we should just do away with race altogether. When it comes down to it, are we all not just sacs of organic matter with the ability to talk?

Check your sac of organic matter with ability to talk privilege.

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Postby Marxist Rainbow » Mon Jul 23, 2018 3:59 pm

Petrolheadia wrote:
Marxist Rainbow wrote:
But white people still as a whole haven't owned up to their part in it?

Mostly because it's hard to find a solution to a nationwide racial inequality problem.

Also, you can't fix a community's problem without the community trying to fix it first. You can't sit around and wait for the white folks.


Implying that black organizations like BLM and NAACP havent been trying to empower their communities? Whites and white organizations inevitably push back. The work we do for ourselves is never acknowledged. And somehow, what Torrence said was ok.

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Marxist Rainbow wrote:
But white people still as a whole haven't owned up to their part in it? Many criminals are victims of circumstance. Poverty breeds crime. The state breeds poverty.

And how's is that the fault of white people there are plenty of jobs out there to make money the right way even though it's minimum wage it's the persons own fault he or she turns to criminal activity not white people. Plus your intolerance and ignorance is still showing.


Your privilege is showing again. There might be plenty of jobs out there for YOU, but for a poor, uneducated black man?
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Postby Petrolheadia » Mon Jul 23, 2018 4:00 pm

Marxist Rainbow wrote:
Petrolheadia wrote:Mostly because it's hard to find a solution to a nationwide racial inequality problem.

Also, you can't fix a community's problem without the community trying to fix it first. You can't sit around and wait for the white folks.


Implying that black organizations like BLM and NAACP have been trying to empower their communities? Whites and white organizations inevitably push back. The work we do for ourselves is never acknowledged. And somehow, what Torrence said was ok.

It still does not change the high black crime rate.
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Postby The New California Republic » Mon Jul 23, 2018 4:00 pm

Palloth wrote:I think we should just do away with race altogether. When it comes down to it, are we all not just sacs of organic matter with the ability to talk?

How on Earth can you get rid of race? It is absurd as proposing that we get rid of our consciousness or something else innate to our being.
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Postby Otira » Mon Jul 23, 2018 4:00 pm

Petrasylvania wrote:Welp, if he was hoping to post rare screencaps to his /pol/ pals he's gonna be disappointed.

I mean his over the top hyperbole-ridden accusations look like how /pol/acks think their ideological opponents talk anyway. A big walking talking parody.

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Postby Uxupox » Mon Jul 23, 2018 4:01 pm

Marxist Rainbow wrote:
Petrolheadia wrote:Mostly because it's hard to find a solution to a nationwide racial inequality problem.

Also, you can't fix a community's problem without the community trying to fix it first. You can't sit around and wait for the white folks.


Implying that black organizations like BLM and NAACP have been trying to empower their communities? Whites and white organizations inevitably push back. The work we do for ourselves is never acknowledged. And somehow, what Torrence said was ok.

Gig em Aggies wrote:And how's is that the fault of white people there are plenty of jobs out there to make money the right way even though it's minimum wage it's the persons own fault he or she turns to criminal activity not white people. Plus your intolerance and ignorance is still showing.


Your privilege is showing again. There might be plenty of jobs out there for YOU, but for a poor, uneducated black man?


im was poor and uneducated. i didn't blame nobody but myself for my previous predicament and I made it easily out that whole with sheer diligence. Maybe people should try that method instead of trying to dick it to others just for the persona of being born.
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Postby Petrolheadia » Mon Jul 23, 2018 4:01 pm

Marxist Rainbow wrote:
Gig em Aggies wrote:And how's is that the fault of white people there are plenty of jobs out there to make money the right way even though it's minimum wage it's the persons own fault he or she turns to criminal activity not white people. Plus your intolerance and ignorance is still showing.


Your privilege is showing again. There might be plenty of jobs out there for YOU, but for a poor, uneducated black man?

For hell's sake, even people who legally should not be in America can find jobs!
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Postby Marxist Rainbow » Mon Jul 23, 2018 4:02 pm

Otira wrote:
Petrasylvania wrote:Welp, if he was hoping to post rare screencaps to his /pol/ pals he's gonna be disappointed.

I mean his over the top hyperbole-ridden accusations look like how /pol/acks think their ideological opponents talk anyway. A big walking talking parody.


Well, if you think i'm trolling you should leave rather than bump my thread, right?
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Postby Palloth » Mon Jul 23, 2018 4:02 pm

Otira wrote:
Palloth wrote:I think we should just do away with race altogether. When it comes down to it, are we all not just sacs of organic matter with the ability to talk?

Check your sac of organic matter with ability to talk privilege.

But if you think about it, organic matter is just a certain arrangement of cells, and cells are just a certain arrangement of atoms.

I go way too deep into things sometimes.

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Postby Petrolheadia » Mon Jul 23, 2018 4:03 pm

Palloth wrote:
Otira wrote:Check your sac of organic matter with ability to talk privilege.

But if you think about it, organic matter is just a certain arrangement of cells, and cells are just a certain arrangement of atoms.

I go way too deep into things sometimes.

If you like going deep, get yourself a digger.
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Postby Gig em Aggies » Mon Jul 23, 2018 4:03 pm

Marxist Rainbow wrote:
Petrolheadia wrote:Mostly because it's hard to find a solution to a nationwide racial inequality problem.

Also, you can't fix a community's problem without the community trying to fix it first. You can't sit around and wait for the white folks.


Implying that black organizations like BLM and NAACP have been trying to empower their communities? Whites and white organizations inevitably push back. The work we do for ourselves is never acknowledged. And somehow, what Torrence said was ok.

Gig em Aggies wrote:And how's is that the fault of white people there are plenty of jobs out there to make money the right way even though it's minimum wage it's the persons own fault he or she turns to criminal activity not white people. Plus your intolerance and ignorance is still showing.


Your privilege is showing again. There might be plenty of jobs out there for YOU, but for a poor, uneducated black man?

Well you obviously don't care to use your fingers, eyes, and brains to look through internet job boards because you have yet to show how there are no jobs for black people. Plus how is it my fault or that of white peoples that a young black American drops out of school and can't find a job. Like the dozens of people told you if you want more jobs and education for black Americans then the solution first starts at home and the black community.
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