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Is ignorance an excuse for racism?

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Is ignorance an excuse for racism?

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Is ignorance an excuse for racism?

Postby Marxist Rainbow » Mon Jul 23, 2018 3:28 pm

Renowned rapper Lil Boosie had this to say about his own people.

"I just feel like african american is the worst race in the world."

"The white man aint waitin in ya bushes with a chopper! The white man aint tryna take your rims off your car."

"How can we say 'F the white man'?"


What can be said about this other than it's sad? Lil Boosie (real name Torrence Hatch) is obviously uneducated at best. As a person of color, I hate to see my people so ignorant of the system in place which causes violence in impoverished black communities. It's like he has been rich for so long, that he has started to act like a privileged white man in the sense that he is completely blind to the system that perpetuates black on black violence and keeps white men out of the hot seat.

On top of this, he speaks in a way and from a social status that harms the cause, in terms that could set us back, and I don't think his ignorance is an excuse, just as a white man's ignorance of privilege is an excuse, and Lil Boosie is an inherent part of Racism.
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I'm not going to spoon feed you. I'll start you out with CIA-Contra.

What does a bunch of Nicaraguan anti-communists have to do with black Americans?

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Postby Thermodolia » Mon Jul 23, 2018 3:31 pm

How the fuck is that racist or ignorant?! He’s saying that the American blacks need to tack ownership of a lot of shit. That’s not racism
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Postby Palloth » Mon Jul 23, 2018 3:32 pm

This is deplorable. I am white. I'll admit it. But racism is sick and twisted and it pains me to see someone who should be standing up to end all forms of discrimination instead insulting his own race.

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Postby Marxist Rainbow » Mon Jul 23, 2018 3:32 pm

Thermodolia wrote:How the fuck is that racist or ignorant?! He’s saying that the American blacks need to tack ownership of a lot of shit. That’s not racism


But he even admits himself that the government imported drugs into black communities, and instead of rehabilitating these people, the sentences got harsher and black men have been sent to prison in droves.
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Thermodolia wrote:
Marxist Rainbow wrote:
I'm not going to spoon feed you. I'll start you out with CIA-Contra.

What does a bunch of Nicaraguan anti-communists have to do with black Americans?

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Postby Uxupox » Mon Jul 23, 2018 3:33 pm

How is he ignorant?
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Postby Marxist Rainbow » Mon Jul 23, 2018 3:34 pm

Uxupox wrote:How is he ignorant?


Because he blames black people for a system he himself was a victim of. A system put in place by white people.
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Thermodolia wrote:
Marxist Rainbow wrote:
I'm not going to spoon feed you. I'll start you out with CIA-Contra.

What does a bunch of Nicaraguan anti-communists have to do with black Americans?

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Postby Gig em Aggies » Mon Jul 23, 2018 3:35 pm

Marxist Rainbow wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:How the fuck is that racist or ignorant?! He’s saying that the American blacks need to tack ownership of a lot of shit. That’s not racism


But he even admits himself that the government imported drugs into black communities, and instead of rehabilitating these people, the sentences got harsher and black men have been sent to prison in droves.

So your gonna believe a rapper when he's says the government imported drugs into black communities care to back up that big ass assumption with some sauce?
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Postby Thermodolia » Mon Jul 23, 2018 3:36 pm

Marxist Rainbow wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:How the fuck is that racist or ignorant?! He’s saying that the American blacks need to tack ownership of a lot of shit. That’s not racism


But he even admits himself that the government imported drugs into black communities, and instead of rehabilitating these people, the sentences got harsher and black men have been sent to prison in droves.

Ok but what he said isn’t racist.

The government did some dumb shit but saying that black Americans should own up to their own communities problems isn’t racist.

You can’t rely on everyone else to fix your communities problems.
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Postby Marxist Rainbow » Mon Jul 23, 2018 3:37 pm

Gig em Aggies wrote:
Marxist Rainbow wrote:
But he even admits himself that the government imported drugs into black communities, and instead of rehabilitating these people, the sentences got harsher and black men have been sent to prison in droves.

So your gonna believe a rapper when he's says the government imported drugs into black communities care to back up that big ass assumption with some sauce?


I'm not going to spoon feed you. I'll start you out with CIA-Contra.
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Thermodolia wrote:
Marxist Rainbow wrote:
I'm not going to spoon feed you. I'll start you out with CIA-Contra.

What does a bunch of Nicaraguan anti-communists have to do with black Americans?

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Postby Gig em Aggies » Mon Jul 23, 2018 3:37 pm

Marxist Rainbow wrote:
Uxupox wrote:How is he ignorant?


Because he blames black people for a system he himself was a victim of. A system put in place by white people.

So I guess it's ignorant and racist to own up that most of the black communities problems is their own. Let me ask you this how is it white peoples fault that a young black teen joins a gang to rob, sell drugs and commit assaults and murder? I say it's racist and ignorant to think that every problem in the black community is caused by white people.
“One of the serious problems of planning against Aggie doctrine is that the Aggies do not read their manuals nor do they feel any obligations to follow their doctrine.”
“The reason that the Aggies does so well in wartime, is that war is chaos, and the Aggies practices chaos on a daily basis.”
“If we don’t know what we are doing, the enemy certainly can’t anticipate our future actions!”

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Postby Uxupox » Mon Jul 23, 2018 3:38 pm

Marxist Rainbow wrote:
Uxupox wrote:How is he ignorant?


Because he blames black people for a system he himself was a victim of. A system put in place by white people.


damn this system that this white people put out to get me. must be seen em in the shadows lurkin' and all hulkin', trying to steal all my shit.

how about people own up to their mistakes, fix their shit and just walk.
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Postby The Anglo-American Commonwealth » Mon Jul 23, 2018 3:38 pm

even if you recognize that you have been behaving in a racist manner, your ignorance does not excuse your behavior, it only explains it.
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Postby Thermodolia » Mon Jul 23, 2018 3:39 pm

Marxist Rainbow wrote:
Gig em Aggies wrote:So your gonna believe a rapper when he's says the government imported drugs into black communities care to back up that big ass assumption with some sauce?


I'm not going to spoon feed you. I'll start you out with CIA-Contra.

What does a bunch of Nicaraguan anti-communists have to do with black Americans?
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Postby Marxist Rainbow » Mon Jul 23, 2018 3:40 pm

Gig em Aggies wrote:
Marxist Rainbow wrote:
Because he blames black people for a system he himself was a victim of. A system put in place by white people.

So I guess it's ignorant and racist to own up that most of the black communities problems is their own. Let me ask you this how is it white peoples fault that a young black teen joins a gang to rob, sell drugs and commit assaults and murder? I say it's racist and ignorant to think that every problem in the black community is caused by white people.


Your privilege is showing.

Uxupox wrote:
Marxist Rainbow wrote:
Because he blames black people for a system he himself was a victim of. A system put in place by white people.


damn this system that this white people put out to get me. must be seen em in the shadows lurkin' and all hulkin', trying to steal all my shit.

how about people own up to their mistakes, fix their shit and just walk.


How about white people own up to the fact that their government protects and nourishes them over people of color? How about they acknowledge 200 years of slavery and subjugation and disenfranchisement?
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I'm not going to spoon feed you. I'll start you out with CIA-Contra.

What does a bunch of Nicaraguan anti-communists have to do with black Americans?

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Postby Neo-Romanum » Mon Jul 23, 2018 3:41 pm

I like how if a white person heard another white person say they were the worst race in the world you'd have a lot of people agreeing with the sentiment, but if they heard an African-American say it about his own race then they're the ones taking offence on their behalf. :lol2:

He acknowledges problems within the African-American community, not all of which are caused by some white boogeyman and nothing he says is racist. "I just feel like african american is the worst race in the world." is him saying that he is disappointed in the behaviour of fellow African-Americans, he's not saying that they are literally the worst race in the world.

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Postby Gig em Aggies » Mon Jul 23, 2018 3:41 pm

Marxist Rainbow wrote:
Gig em Aggies wrote:So your gonna believe a rapper when he's says the government imported drugs into black communities care to back up that big ass assumption with some sauce?


I'm not going to spoon feed you. I'll start you out with CIA-Contra.

The government didn't import drugs directly into black communities that was the fault of drug cartels and American street gangs it dealt with Iran and the Contras of Nicaragua.
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“The reason that the Aggies does so well in wartime, is that war is chaos, and the Aggies practices chaos on a daily basis.”
“If we don’t know what we are doing, the enemy certainly can’t anticipate our future actions!”

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Postby Marxist Rainbow » Mon Jul 23, 2018 3:41 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
Marxist Rainbow wrote:
I'm not going to spoon feed you. I'll start you out with CIA-Contra.

What does a bunch of Nicaraguan anti-communists have to do with black Americans?


OOH boy, case in point.
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Thermodolia wrote:
Marxist Rainbow wrote:
I'm not going to spoon feed you. I'll start you out with CIA-Contra.

What does a bunch of Nicaraguan anti-communists have to do with black Americans?

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Postby Thermodolia » Mon Jul 23, 2018 3:42 pm

Marxist Rainbow wrote:
Gig em Aggies wrote:So I guess it's ignorant and racist to own up that most of the black communities problems is their own. Let me ask you this how is it white peoples fault that a young black teen joins a gang to rob, sell drugs and commit assaults and murder? I say it's racist and ignorant to think that every problem in the black community is caused by white people.


Your privilege is showing.

Oh look meaningless buzzwords

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damn this system that this white people put out to get me. must be seen em in the shadows lurkin' and all hulkin', trying to steal all my shit.

how about people own up to their mistakes, fix their shit and just walk.


How about white people own up to the fact that their government protects and nourishes them over people of color? How about they acknowledge 200 years of slavery and subjugation and disenfranchisement?

If you want to play the oppression Olympics i got ya beat.
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Postby The New California Republic » Mon Jul 23, 2018 3:42 pm

Marxist Rainbow wrote:How about white people own up to the fact that their government protects and nourishes them over people of color?

Sources for that hyperbolic claim?

Marxist Rainbow wrote:How about they acknowledge 200 years of slavery and subjugation and disenfranchisement?

They already have, through various civil rights legislation...
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Postby Thermodolia » Mon Jul 23, 2018 3:44 pm

Marxist Rainbow wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:What does a bunch of Nicaraguan anti-communists have to do with black Americans?


OOH boy, case in point.

No seriously what the fuck does the Contras, who are Nicaraguan anti-communists, have to do with black Americans? If you’re just going to be extremely vague about everything then you aren’t worth debating
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Postby Otira » Mon Jul 23, 2018 3:44 pm

Considering the OP's national animal and currency are "Numale" and "Soy", both of which are memes constantly spammed from 4chan, without trollnaming I have to suggest that this thread may be something of a falseflag.

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Postby Uxupox » Mon Jul 23, 2018 3:44 pm

Marxist Rainbow wrote:
Gig em Aggies wrote:So I guess it's ignorant and racist to own up that most of the black communities problems is their own. Let me ask you this how is it white peoples fault that a young black teen joins a gang to rob, sell drugs and commit assaults and murder? I say it's racist and ignorant to think that every problem in the black community is caused by white people.


Your privilege is showing.

Uxupox wrote:
damn this system that this white people put out to get me. must be seen em in the shadows lurkin' and all hulkin', trying to steal all my shit.

how about people own up to their mistakes, fix their shit and just walk.


How about white people own up to the fact that their government protects and nourishes them over people of color? How about they acknowledge 200 years of slavery and subjugation and disenfranchisement?


holy shit. do you want them to spoon feed us too? maybe change our diapers and hold our life trajectory, why not go even further maybe they should be our own slaves for a while to see them how it was a period of years ago?
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Postby Thermodolia » Mon Jul 23, 2018 3:46 pm

Otira wrote:Considering the OP's national animal and currency are "Numale" and "Soy", both of which are memes constantly spammed from 4chan, without trollnaming I have to suggest that this thread may be something of a falseflag.

I’m not sure anymore dude. But I feel like I’m being fucked with
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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Mon Jul 23, 2018 3:47 pm

It's not a racist statement, it is true that the black community needs to fix a good chunk of their problems. A lot of people who condemn criminals who happen to be black are incorrectly called racist. Criminals shouldn't be considered victims, they should be considered predators. I don't think the guy is racist against his own race, I think he was being hyperbolic.
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Postby Neo-Romanum » Mon Jul 23, 2018 3:47 pm

Otira wrote:Considering the OP's national animal and currency are "Numale" and "Soy", both of which are memes constantly spammed from 4chan, without trollnaming I have to suggest that this thread may be something of a falseflag.

Nice catch.

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