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Postby Free American Empire- » Wed Jul 25, 2018 2:11 am

Dark Socialism wrote:Abolish freedom in general

That is a two edged sword- if the side, which you oppose, would come to power, you would be the one, who would have freedom of speech stripped away.
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Postby Aellex » Wed Jul 25, 2018 2:33 am

Torrocca wrote:And then the peasants rise up and form their own people's commune. Womp womp.

But they have no resource, education nor training sufficient to oppose the overwhelming force I wield thanks to my monopoly on modern weapons and on people skilled to some extent at using them.
What can a rabble armed only with machetes, pitchforks and mayhap an handful of A.K. can hope to do against people whose only standing and power come from the military projection they're able to exercise on a given area ?
The State or another warlord are the only two types of entities that could possibly outmatch me in that particular context as they're the only ones that could possess a force more overwhelming than my own.
And, I mean, have you seen a lot of people's commune in Somalia ? :^)))

I mean, compared to the shit explicitly authoritarian societies have pulled, the few examples of Anarchist societies have been way way way better.

Were they? And, I'm not even talking about "Anarchists Societies" because that's a whole other debate. What I'm saying is that every time a situation of Anarchy happened, then exactly what he described took place.
Authoritarian societies have more often than not risen from a such situation because, no matter what shit they pull off, most people will still prefer it to anarchy.
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Postby Chan Island » Wed Jul 25, 2018 2:51 am

Dark Socialism wrote:Abolish freedom in general


Alright. So I assume you want a Communist dictatorship. :^]
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Conserative Morality wrote:"It's not time yet" is a tactic used by reactionaries in every era. "It's not time for democracy, it's not time for capitalism, it's not time for emancipation." Of course it's not time. It's never time, not on its own. You make it time. If you're under fire in the no-man's land of WW1, you start digging a foxhole even if the ideal time would be when you *aren't* being bombarded, because once you wait for it to be 'time', other situations will need your attention, assuming you survive that long. If the fields aren't furrowed, plow them. If the iron is not hot, make it so. If society is not ready, change it.

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Wed Jul 25, 2018 2:54 am

Chan Island wrote:
Dark Socialism wrote:Abolish freedom in general


Alright. So I assume you want a Communist dictatorship. :^]


He wants a nazbol dictatorship actually.
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Postby Chan Island » Wed Jul 25, 2018 2:56 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Chan Island wrote:
Alright. So I assume you want a Communist dictatorship. :^]


He wants a nazbol dictatorship actually.


I looked at his his little political graph links and he was both extremely communist and extremely nationalist in them actually. Genuinely considered changing it to Pinochet for a bit until I concluded this guy .... he's an odd one.
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Conserative Morality wrote:"It's not time yet" is a tactic used by reactionaries in every era. "It's not time for democracy, it's not time for capitalism, it's not time for emancipation." Of course it's not time. It's never time, not on its own. You make it time. If you're under fire in the no-man's land of WW1, you start digging a foxhole even if the ideal time would be when you *aren't* being bombarded, because once you wait for it to be 'time', other situations will need your attention, assuming you survive that long. If the fields aren't furrowed, plow them. If the iron is not hot, make it so. If society is not ready, change it.

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Wed Jul 25, 2018 2:58 am

Chan Island wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
He wants a nazbol dictatorship actually.


I looked at his his little political graph links and he was both extremely communist and extremely nationalist in them actually. Genuinely considered changing it to Pinochet for a bit until I concluded this guy .... he's an odd one.


There's an entire ideology for such oddballs.
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Postby Chan Island » Wed Jul 25, 2018 3:00 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Chan Island wrote:
I looked at his his little political graph links and he was both extremely communist and extremely nationalist in them actually. Genuinely considered changing it to Pinochet for a bit until I concluded this guy .... he's an odd one.


There's an entire ideology for such oddballs.


I know, it's in his sig.

So, now to ask who was a dictator who killed nazbols? Stalin maybe?
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Conserative Morality wrote:"It's not time yet" is a tactic used by reactionaries in every era. "It's not time for democracy, it's not time for capitalism, it's not time for emancipation." Of course it's not time. It's never time, not on its own. You make it time. If you're under fire in the no-man's land of WW1, you start digging a foxhole even if the ideal time would be when you *aren't* being bombarded, because once you wait for it to be 'time', other situations will need your attention, assuming you survive that long. If the fields aren't furrowed, plow them. If the iron is not hot, make it so. If society is not ready, change it.

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Postby Gospel Power » Wed Jul 25, 2018 3:02 am

Dark Socialism wrote:Abolish freedom in general

No thanks, some of us don't use NS stats IRL

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Wed Jul 25, 2018 3:02 am

Chan Island wrote:


I know, it's in his sig.

So, now to ask who was a dictator who killed nazbols? Stalin maybe?


iirc nazbolism first originated during the Russian revolution but ended up being disliked by Lenin and co so any of the big name commies from that period, yeah

Maybe Trotsky if you wanna meme about it
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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Wed Jul 25, 2018 3:42 am

Torrocca wrote:
Gospel Power wrote:No, even I will admit that this is the best system we ever had, it have many flaws, but we don't have a better system then democracy, freedom should be limited of course or we will get anarchy


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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Wed Jul 25, 2018 4:13 am

Abolish humanity
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Postby Hurdergaryp » Wed Jul 25, 2018 5:06 am

Internationalist Bastard wrote:Abolish humanity

Given the current global overheatwave, your wish might be granted sooner than you think.


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Postby The South Falls » Wed Jul 25, 2018 5:39 am

Hurdergaryp wrote:
Internationalist Bastard wrote:Abolish humanity

Given the current global overheatwave, your wish might be granted sooner than you think.

Eugenic usage of fans. Never heard of it.
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Postby Constitutional Technocracy of Minecraft » Wed Jul 25, 2018 6:02 am

To anyone who claims "the interests of the nation are more important than those of the people", which is more important; an arbitrary construct which does not feel anything, or millions of objectively existing humans with emotions?

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Postby Exiled Portugal » Wed Jul 25, 2018 6:09 am

Parliamentary Monarchy anyone? Monarch can call for new elections if things are getting bogged down, and he won’t have the shortsightedness of somebody who will only be in office for a couple years. On top of that the monarch wouldn’t have absolute power, so it would seem like the average citizen would come out winning in this situation.

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Postby United Imperial Systems » Wed Jul 25, 2018 6:10 am

Constitutional Technocracy of Minecraft wrote:To anyone who claims "the interests of the nation are more important than those of the people", which is more important; an arbitrary construct which does not feel anything, or millions of objectively existing humans with emotions?

The state/glorious leader/party/race/insert baseless idea here, obviously!
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Postby Constitutional Technocracy of Minecraft » Wed Jul 25, 2018 6:22 am

United Imperial Systems wrote:
Constitutional Technocracy of Minecraft wrote:To anyone who claims "the interests of the nation are more important than those of the people", which is more important; an arbitrary construct which does not feel anything, or millions of objectively existing humans with emotions?

The state/glorious leader/party/race/insert baseless idea here, obviously!

Tbh, saying that "the state's interests are more important than the people's interests" is often a guise for saying "the leader's life of luxury is the most important" (which often is the case in the lifestyles of dictators)

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Postby Valrifell » Wed Jul 25, 2018 6:25 am

Abolish humanity!
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Postby The South Falls » Wed Jul 25, 2018 6:26 am

Valrifell wrote:Abolish humanity!

Beautiful sentiments. Your terminator will be coming shortly.
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Postby Dark Socialism » Wed Jul 25, 2018 6:29 am

Valrifell wrote:Abolish humanity!

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Postby Constitutional Technocracy of Minecraft » Wed Jul 25, 2018 6:32 am

Dark Socialism wrote:Abolish freedom in general

You are under arrest for posting in NSG :P

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Postby Aellex » Wed Jul 25, 2018 6:33 am

Constitutional Technocracy of Minecraft wrote:To anyone who claims "the interests of the nation are more important than those of the people", which is more important; an arbitrary construct which does not feel anything, or millions of objectively existing humans with emotions?

Tbf, the interests of the Nation are those of the people.
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Postby Constitutional Technocracy of Minecraft » Wed Jul 25, 2018 6:34 am

Aellex wrote:
Constitutional Technocracy of Minecraft wrote:To anyone who claims "the interests of the nation are more important than those of the people", which is more important; an arbitrary construct which does not feel anything, or millions of objectively existing humans with emotions?

Tbf, the interests of the Nation are those of the people.

Hence why a democracy is best, as it best serves the interests of the people and thus the interests of the nation.

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Postby Frievolk » Wed Jul 25, 2018 6:34 am

Aellex wrote:
Constitutional Technocracy of Minecraft wrote:To anyone who claims "the interests of the nation are more important than those of the people", which is more important; an arbitrary construct which does not feel anything, or millions of objectively existing humans with emotions?

Tbf, the interests of the Nation are those of the people.

Not necessarily. then again, both are really vague terms that can be used in any way a leader/rhetor wants
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Postby Aellex » Wed Jul 25, 2018 6:36 am

Constitutional Technocracy of Minecraft wrote:Hence why a democracy is best, as it best serves the interests of the people and thus the interests of the nation.

Won't see me arguing the contrary. I'm unironically for a Tyranny by Majority and support ruling through referendums.
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