[Abortion Thread] (YET ANOTHER POLL!) Taking measure.

[Loben The 2nd]

And what very specific circumstance is that? For I see a great many circumstances in which it is perfectly justifiable to take a human life in order to protect one's own bodily integrity, and the situation produced by an unwanted pregnancy does indeed fall under... damn near all of them.

When it comes to abortion, any reason that a pregnant person has to terminate is valid. I cannot think of a single reason someone could come up with that would be a bad reason to terminate.

as a fetish?

[Stagnant Axon Terminal]

When it comes to abortion, any reason that a pregnant person has to terminate is valid. I cannot think of a single reason someone could come up with that would be a bad reason to terminate.

as a fetish?

While that's, uh, not a healthy fetish, there are excessively few individuals who would actually partake in such a fetish rather than fantasize. Still, abortion is amoral, so even if someone willingly gets pregnant specifically to have an abortion, they should not be denied an abortion and forced to give birth.

[Saiwania]

When it comes to abortion, any reason that a pregnant person has to terminate is valid. I cannot think of a single reason someone could come up with that would be a bad reason to terminate.

So are you the sort of person who believes that a pregnant woman should or could get an abortion if she so wished, even if perchance- the baby was only 1 day away from being born?

[Kernen]

When it comes to abortion, any reason that a pregnant person has to terminate is valid. I cannot think of a single reason someone could come up with that would be a bad reason to terminate.

So are you the sort of person who believes that a pregnant woman should or could get an abortion if she so wished, even if perchance- the baby was only 1 day away from being born?

Why not?

[Saiwania]

Why not?

The vast majority of all people in the US would now think that you're on the wrong side of this issue, if you still support abortion so late into pregnancy past a certain point. People have evolved since 1974 to be even more pro-life. It is now more mainstream for people to support a cut off point for pregnancies where past that point, its impractical to keep allowing for abortion as an option.

I suspect the same is true in most other countries. We know more about fetus development than in the old days.

[Loben The 2nd]

So are you the sort of person who believes that a pregnant woman should or could get an abortion if she so wished, even if perchance- the baby was only 1 day away from being born?

Why not?

kinda seems wastful.

[LiberNovusAmericae]

When it comes to abortion, any reason that a pregnant person has to terminate is valid. I cannot think of a single reason someone could come up with that would be a bad reason to terminate.

as a fetish?

Someone who has a fetish like that belongs in a mental asylum.

[Neanderthaland]

When it comes to abortion, any reason that a pregnant person has to terminate is valid. I cannot think of a single reason someone could come up with that would be a bad reason to terminate.

as a fetish?

That person probably shouldn't be a parent anyway.

[Stagnant Axon Terminal]

When it comes to abortion, any reason that a pregnant person has to terminate is valid. I cannot think of a single reason someone could come up with that would be a bad reason to terminate.

So are you the sort of person who believes that a pregnant woman should or could get an abortion if she so wished, even if perchance- the baby was only 1 day away from being born?

First of all, bullshit question because there are roughly zero people on Earth who would wait 40 weeks to have an abortion. It's a nonsense question in the same vein as "should unicorns be sous chefs?"
To the best of my knowledge, abortion becomes increasingly more difficult and dangerous the further into pregnancy it happens. When you are that close to term, unless something happens that warrants the removal of the fetus without labor, it is easier and less dangerous to have a live birth, either by Cesarean or vaginal birth. But there are, again, so astronomically few cases of this happening (id est virtually none) that we can't even have statistics on it period.

[Saiwania]

Abortion broadly speaking, isn't an amoral issue. People decide for themselves whether it is good or bad. The evangelical right takes the position that it is evil and should be banned. They've held firm on this for decades and won't be changing their mind. Just as the Catholic Church is never going to approve of condoms.

[Stagnant Axon Terminal]

Why not?

The vast majority of all people in the US would now think that you're on the wrong side of this issue, if you still support abortion so late into pregnancy past a certain point. People have evolved since 1974 to be even more pro-life. It is now more mainstream for people to support a cut off point for pregnancies where past that point, its impractical to keep allowing for abortion as an option.

I suspect the same is true in most other countries. We know more about fetus development than in the old days.

Just to correct, there's been virtually no meaningful change in the number of prolife opinions. 21% in 1975 (iirc) vs 22% in 2019 according to Gallup.

[Kernen]

Why not?

The vast majority of all people in the US would now think that you're on the wrong side of this issue, if you still support abortion so late into pregnancy past a certain point. People have evolved since 1974 to be even more pro-life. It is now more mainstream for people to support a cut off point for pregnancies where past that point, its impractical to keep allowing for abortion as an option.

I suspect the same is true in most other countries. We know more about fetus development than in the old days.

Why should their opinion factor into mine?

Why not?

kinda seems wastful.

The great thing about being a free individual is that you're generally allowed to make potentially bad or inefficient choices for yourself.

[The Alma Mater]

And what very specific circumstance is that? For I see a great many circumstances in which it is perfectly justifiable to take a human life in order to protect one's own bodily integrity, and the situation produced by an unwanted pregnancy does indeed fall under... damn near all of them.

When it comes to abortion, any reason that a pregnant person has to terminate is valid. I cannot think of a single reason someone could come up with that would be a bad reason to terminate.

Them being told to do so by e.g. their church, because being a single mom is a sin ?

[Galloism]

When it comes to abortion, any reason that a pregnant person has to terminate is valid. I cannot think of a single reason someone could come up with that would be a bad reason to terminate.

Them being told to do so by e.g. their church, because being a single mom is a sin ?

Sex selective abortions are also pretty sketchy.

[Saiwania]

Why should their opinion factor into mine?

It is to avoid being ostacized or worse by the wider community where you live. You can be as extreme as you want, but you often can't let that actually be known. This has a way of making you enemies. Always harder to be a public figure than a more private individual where you're mysterious.

[Stagnant Axon Terminal]

When it comes to abortion, any reason that a pregnant person has to terminate is valid. I cannot think of a single reason someone could come up with that would be a bad reason to terminate.

Them being told to do so by e.g. their church, because being a single mom is a sin ?

I'm talking about reasons a person has of their own desires. Being pressured into abortion or birth is obviously not good in any way ever and is precisely why I think appointments to discuss the procedures should take the stance of my own OBGYN - No one allowed to come back during the consult, no one allowed to come back during the procedure. That way there's a better chance of doctors/nurses getting information from patients.

[Kernen]

Why should their opinion factor into mine?

It is to avoid being ostacized or worse by the wider community where you live. You can be as extreme as you want, but you often can't let that actually be known. This has a way of making you enemies. Always harder to be a public figure than a more private individual where you're mysterious.

I have never once been ostracized for that belief, and it is widely known by those who know me personally. I suspect your experience is different, since your beliefs are actively harmful to others.

I'm a stand-up member of my community.

[Stagnant Axon Terminal]

Them being told to do so by e.g. their church, because being a single mom is a sin ?

Sex selective abortions are also pretty sketchy.

You're right, they're sketchy af. But I'd rather someone terminate a pregnancy than risk them giving birth to a child they're going to abuse because they "aren't the right gender."

[Luminesa]

When it comes to abortion, any reason that a pregnant person has to terminate is valid. I cannot think of a single reason someone could come up with that would be a bad reason to terminate.

Them being told to do so by e.g. their church, because being a single mom is a sin ?

Fornication is considered a sin, but being a single parent is not. There’s certainly a stigma around it in society, but you can be a good Catholic/Christian and a single parent. Certainly doesn’t say anywhere in the Catechism that being a single parent is a sin.

[Luminesa]

Them being told to do so by e.g. their church, because being a single mom is a sin ?

Sex selective abortions are also pretty sketchy.

They’re really bad because they lead to people actively going after baby girls, most of the time. Like in China and India, and I think even Canada has legalized it. Please correct me if I’m wrong.

[The Grims]

Them being told to do so by e.g. their church, because being a single mom is a sin ?

Fornication is considered a sin, but being a single parent is not. There’s certainly a stigma around it in society, but you can be a good Catholic/Christian and a single parent. Certainly doesn’t say anywhere in the Catechism that being a single parent is a sin.

I vaguely remember stories about how single moms were forced to 'go to the nuns', where their babies were taken away by the Church though. And then strangled and tossed in a pit.

[Stagnant Axon Terminal]

Fornication is considered a sin, but being a single parent is not. There’s certainly a stigma around it in society, but you can be a good Catholic/Christian and a single parent. Certainly doesn’t say anywhere in the Catechism that being a single parent is a sin.

I vaguely remember stories about how single moms were forced to 'go to the nuns', where their babies were taken away by the Church though. And then strangled and tossed in a pit.

I think that was the case predominantly in one place in Ireland back in the early-mid 20th century but I could be wrong on that. More frequently, it was unwed mother's who were sent to convents or schools for wayward girls (under the guise of being sent to a relatives home) wherein the girls would give birth in secret and told that they weren't allowed to keep their babies. Even older unwed mother's were subject to "baby snatching." The adoption market today is still wrought with this issue. In the late 90's a predominant adoption supporting group (I forget specifically who) wrote what was basically a guide on how clinics are supposed to go about increasing the number of women giving up their babies by means of essentially telling them they aren't fit to be mothers.

[Thepeopl]

Sex selective abortions are also pretty sketchy.

They’re really bad because they lead to people actively going after baby girls, most of the time. Like in China and India, and I think even Canada has legalized it. Please correct me if I’m wrong.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex-selective_abortion

Tl;Dr it suggests that asians even without sex selective abortions had more sons than daughters. 121-100

There are also naturally occurring more daughters 84- 100 for Nauru, Micronesia.
But a lot of African countries have also less sons born than daughters.

Also there are health issues which only afflict one gender and is dormant in the other.

[New haven america]

Them being told to do so by e.g. their church, because being a single mom is a sin ?

Fornication is considered a sin, but being a single parent is not. There’s certainly a stigma around it in society, but you can be a good Catholic/Christian and a single parent. Certainly doesn’t say anywhere in the Catechism that being a single parent is a sin.

Ireland would like to have a word with you~

[San Lumen]

When it comes to abortion, any reason that a pregnant person has to terminate is valid. I cannot think of a single reason someone could come up with that would be a bad reason to terminate.

So are you the sort of person who believes that a pregnant woman should or could get an abortion if she so wished, even if perchance- the baby was only 1 day away from being born?

abortions do not happen that late. Third term abortions should not be allowed unless there is a toxic pregnancy.