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Posted: **Sun Sep 22, 2019 8:01 am**

Neko-koku wrote:
Pacomia wrote:Have you noticed how everyone else is fine with this? My mother is Asian and my father is white. Neither of them have any problem with their impure child. I don’t see why you should.

Also, white people being “destroyed” seems like a huge exaggeration. It’s more like white people are being “introduced to the idea that they can reproduce with someone who isn’t the same skin colour as them and nothing would be wrong because white and non-white people are functionally no different”.

Also, y’all are the ones who LITERALLY destroyed the Neanderthals. You probably have some Neanderthal blood. Neanderthals were non-white, and you either killed or interbreeded with them all. Note how the Neanderthals had no problem with you interbreeding with them- either that or you raped them, which is... bad.

It's only fine because your mother is NE Asian so there is no genetic decline here.

Sai is a collectivist. Hence he reifies collective terms as essentially organisms. Of course different races are functionally different from each other. You are probably unaware of it because you are not using the right criteria as usual.

Race has flat zero to do with the abortion debate.

Neko-koku wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:If the fathers pressured the woman into getting an abortion, they should absolutely go to prison for their role in it and arguably face a worse punishment than the woman.

LOL nope. Abortion is good and we want a lot more of it.

"Legal, safe and rare." It's a good phrase.

Posted: **Sun Sep 22, 2019 8:02 am**

The Free Joy State wrote:
Neko-koku wrote:
It's only fine because your mother is NE Asian so there is no genetic decline here.

Sai is a collectivist. Hence he reifies collective terms as essentially organisms. Of course different races are functionally different from each other. You are probably unaware of it because you are not using the right criteria as usual.

Race has flat zero to do with the abortion debate.

Neko-koku wrote:LOL nope. Abortion is good and we want a lot more of it.

"Legal, safe and rare." It's a good phrase.

Nah. I want them legal, safe and COMMON. Abort more babies and use contraception to prevent even more from existing at all so that everyone can have a better quality of life.

Posted: **Sun Sep 22, 2019 8:03 am**

Neko-koku wrote:
The Free Joy State wrote:Race has flat zero to do with the abortion debate.

"Legal, safe and rare." It's a good phrase.

Nah. I want them legal, safe and COMMON.

A-huh. That's nice, dear. :roll:

Posted: **Sun Sep 22, 2019 8:04 am**

The Free Joy State wrote:
Neko-koku wrote:
Nah. I want them legal, safe and COMMON.

A-huh. That's nice, dear.

Overpopulation sucks.

Posted: **Sun Sep 22, 2019 8:06 am**

Pacomia wrote:
Saiwania wrote:
It is no exaggeration and it is at minimum, diluting the White skin color and European genotypes, what do people not understand about that? I'd most definitely disown a daughter who race mixed but wouldn't get an abortion in that situation.

I don’t know why keeping your race pure is so important to you. What’s so great about it? Non-whites are functionally no different from whites.

That's not true at all. However it is completely wrong to assume that "non-whites" are a useful category for the same reason why "non-cats" is not a useful category. There are lions and there are rabbits. Them not being Felis catus isn't an important feature. As usual the public can not think. Hell they can not even use sensible terms.

Posted: **Sun Sep 22, 2019 8:11 am**

Well shit... the thread done exploded, and we're actually getting up to the last poll I can do before having to start up an entirely new thread.

Also: I am somewhat saddened by the fact that even after somebody got warned, there's still yowling about race here.

Anyway, any suggestions for the next poll?

Posted: **Sun Sep 22, 2019 8:13 am**

Godular wrote:Well shit... the thread done exploded, and we're actually getting up to the last poll I can do before having to start up an entirely new thread.

Also: I am somewhat saddened by the fact that even after somebody got warned, there's still yowling about race here.

Anyway, any suggestions for the next poll?

Oops.

OK let's return to abortion. It is absolutely necessary to have population control. Since some folks don't use contraception and because high time preference folks are overrepresented among them abortion is absolutely crucial.

Posted: **Sun Sep 22, 2019 8:15 am**

What does "high time preference folks" mean?

Posted: **Sun Sep 22, 2019 8:16 am**

Katganistan wrote:What does "high time preference folks" mean?

Just wondering that...

Posted: **Sun Sep 22, 2019 8:17 am**

Katganistan wrote:What does "high time preference folks" mean?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_preference

Posted: **Sun Sep 22, 2019 8:20 am**

Neko-koku wrote:
The Free Joy State wrote:A-huh. That's nice, dear.

Overpopulation sucks.

Overpopulation is actually a myth.

Posted: **Sun Sep 22, 2019 8:22 am**

Neko-koku wrote:
Godular wrote:Well shit... the thread done exploded, and we're actually getting up to the last poll I can do before having to start up an entirely new thread.

Also: I am somewhat saddened by the fact that even after somebody got warned, there's still yowling about race here.

Anyway, any suggestions for the next poll?

Oops.

OK let's return to abortion. (1) It is absolutely necessary to have population control. (2) Since some folks don't use contraception and because (3) high time preference folks are (4) overrepresented among them abortion is (5) absolutely crucial.

(1) Source please.
(2) Source please.
(3) What are you talking about?
(4) Source please.
(5) Source for the causal link please.

Oh and before you start spewing any BS, I'll just let you know that I have worked with modernisation, development and demographic transition theories on an academic level (First two I could technically teach at university), so please don't try any Malthusian (Neo- or otherwise) arguments. I know they're wrong.

Posted: **Sun Sep 22, 2019 8:22 am**

Neko-koku wrote:
Godular wrote:Well shit... the thread done exploded, and we're actually getting up to the last poll I can do before having to start up an entirely new thread.

Also: I am somewhat saddened by the fact that even after somebody got warned, there's still yowling about race here.

Anyway, any suggestions for the next poll?

Oops.

OK let's return to abortion. It is absolutely necessary to have population control. Since some folks don't use contraception and because high time preference folks are overrepresented among them abortion is absolutely crucial.

Right after I warned Saiwania for threadjacking, as well. Again, this is the Abortion Thread, not the racial purity thread. And given your prior moderation history, you are getting a...

*** 14-day ban for threadjacking ***

Posted: **Sun Sep 22, 2019 8:22 am**

MORBY SHIPPERS wrote:
Neko-koku wrote:Overpopulation sucks.

Overpopulation is actually a myth.

Not really. There are too many people for us to all enjoy good lives.

Posted: **Sun Sep 22, 2019 8:23 am**

Neko-koku wrote:
Katganistan wrote:What does "high time preference folks" mean?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_preference

~~What does that have to do with what we are talking about?~~

EDIT: Well I won't get an answer now. Or at least not for 14 days.

Posted: **Sun Sep 22, 2019 8:24 am**

Neko-koku wrote:
Katganistan wrote:What does "high time preference folks" mean?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_preference

What does economics have to do with abortion? I am seriously not understanding what the rationale is here.

[edit] Oh well, not pertinent anyway, as far as I can tell.

Posted: **Sun Sep 22, 2019 8:37 am**

Katganistan wrote:
Neko-koku wrote:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_preference

What does economics have to do with abortion? I am seriously not understanding what the rationale is here.

[edit] Oh well, not pertinent anyway, as far as I can tell.

Because public policy isn't ultimately based on morality, but economics.

Posted: **Sun Sep 22, 2019 8:39 am**

Katganistan wrote:
Neko-koku wrote:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_preference

What does economics have to do with abortion? I am seriously not understanding what the rationale is here.

[edit] Oh well, not pertinent anyway, as far as I can tell.

Honestly I think koku might be pro-eugenicist. Or they seem to give that impression.

Posted: **Sun Sep 22, 2019 8:41 am**

MORBY SHIPPERS wrote:
Katganistan wrote:
What does economics have to do with abortion? I am seriously not understanding what the rationale is here.

[edit] Oh well, not pertinent anyway, as far as I can tell.

Honestly I think koku might be pro-eugenicist. Or they seem to give that impression.

There's nothing wrong with people making rational choices about their own reproduction. Insofar as that's eugenics, eugenics isn't actually bad. Self-selecting for optimal genetic results is a good thing.

Eugenics is only bad if its forced on populations.

Posted: **Sun Sep 22, 2019 8:47 am**

Kernen wrote:
Katganistan wrote:
What does economics have to do with abortion? I am seriously not understanding what the rationale is here.

[edit] Oh well, not pertinent anyway, as far as I can tell.

Because public policy isn't ultimately based on morality, but economics.

Certainly, but they didn't explain their reasoning -- just dropped a term out of the blue, and did not expand on it. Won't, now, for two weeks, so I suppose we can move on from wondering what they might have said about it.

Posted: **Sun Sep 22, 2019 9:19 am**

Ultimately my opinion on an abortion is that no one should be forced to have an abortion, and no one should be forced to carry a child. Is that unfair?

Posted: **Sun Sep 22, 2019 9:24 am**

MORBY SHIPPERS wrote:Ultimately my opinion on an abortion is that no one should be forced to have an abortion, and no one should be forced to carry a child. Is that unfair?

Totally. That's the definition of pro-choice.

Posted: **Sun Sep 22, 2019 9:32 am**

Stagnant Axon Terminal wrote:
Saiwania wrote:In a situation where someone is more likely to always be in poverty, there is nothing to lose for them if they're already at the bottom in status, if they decide to have kids anyways. They might as well breed while they can, instead of waiting until they're too old to have children. If they can't afford their children, they can always be abandoned to community care or adoption if not foster care.

Why else would all the poorest countries tend to have the highest fertility rates?

The poorest countries have the highest fertility rates because they don't have access to contraceptives, comprehensive sex education, or protections in regards to violence against women.

That, and a necessity of having children, due to there being no other options available for old-age care.

Posted: **Sun Sep 22, 2019 9:33 am**

Saiwania wrote:
Stagnant Axon Terminal wrote:Traditionalist beliefs that women are supposed to be homemakers and give birth

This is correct for the most part, in my view. Societies that're run in accordance to that, tend to be better off. Just look at China, they're dominating the world.

Erm, no. Societies that are run in accordance with that bullshit stay poor, as evidenced by what you said yourself: the poorest countries in the world are those run along those lines.

Posted: **Sun Sep 22, 2019 9:34 am**

Salandriagado wrote:
Stagnant Axon Terminal wrote:The poorest countries have the highest fertility rates because they don't have access to contraceptives, comprehensive sex education, or protections in regards to violence against women.

That, and a necessity of having children, due to there being no other options available for old-age care.

In a country where there is not crushing poverty or there are safety nets, hire someone, get a housemate, or enroll in an assisted living/retirement community. And if you cannot care for yourself at all, a nursing facility.

If one's reason for having kids is so they take care of you and nothing more, one's relationship with them may be such that they don't give a rat's ass about what happens to their elder anyhow.

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