[Abortion Thread] (YET ANOTHER POLL!) Taking measure.

[Liriena]

So, you keep a child who could have a utterly miserable life rack with pain and suffering alive. Gotcha.

A very, very, sad reality. This is a two sided coin. I, personally, would always take the option of betting on their recovery.

And you have the right to take that option. But everyone else should have the right to choose differently.

[New haven america]

So, you keep a child who could have a utterly miserable life rack with pain and suffering alive. Gotcha.

A very, very, sad reality. This is a two sided coin. I, personally, would always take the option of betting on their recovery.

Uh, you don't "Recover" from things like genetic illnesses or disabilities. They're built into your very DNA, you don't recover, you suffer.

[Libertas Omnium Maximus]

How is killing a fetus not equal to killing a child?

Would you care about me killing a 1 month old? I think you, along with all the other good people of this world, would. How is this different?

Because born children are different from zygotes, blastocysts, embryos and fetuses in that they are already born, and are no longer within a woman's body. At that point if she cannot care for it it can be given up.

But why put her through the health stresses, financial obligations, and societal judgment if she's in the first 24 weeks of an unplanned pregnancy?

Blastocysts are living things, so are we. There is very little that separates a born baby from a late stage one (especially very late stage). They are all living.

[Katganistan]

I feel bad for the 20 month fetus and his/her mother.

That's an elephant baby you're talking about there. Well, almost. It's a 22 month pregnancy.

[Libertas Omnium Maximus]

A very, very, sad reality. This is a two sided coin. I, personally, would always take the option of betting on their recovery.

Uh, you don't "Recover" from things like genetic illnesses or disabilities. They're built into your very DNA, you don't recover, you suffer.

...Would take the option of HOPING THAT MY CHILD WILL NOT HAVE PERMANENT DISABILITIES.

[Libertas Omnium Maximus]

I feel bad for the 20 month fetus and his/her mother.

That's an elephant baby you're talking about there. Well, almost. It's a 22 month pregnancy.

Didn’t we already cover the: “I meant weeks but said months” ordeal?

[Libertas Omnium Maximus]

A very, very, sad reality. This is a two sided coin. I, personally, would always take the option of betting on their recovery.

And you have the right to take that option. But everyone else should have the right to choose differently.

I don’t think there should be an option that involves killing a child.

[The Free Joy State]

Because born children are different from zygotes, blastocysts, embryos and fetuses in that they are already born, and are no longer within a woman's body. At that point if she cannot care for it it can be given up.

But why put her through the health stresses, financial obligations, and societal judgment if she's in the first 24 weeks of an unplanned pregnancy?

Blastocysts are living things, so are we. There is very little that separates a born baby from a late stage one (especially very late stage). They are all living.

So, what do you propose doing with a woman who has an ectopic pregnancy.

You can't save that "precious little bundle of joy" (it often happens at about twelve weeks). If you delay, you'll kill the woman.

Or, uterine or cervical or ovarian cancer, diagnosed early in the pregnancy? While it's still in the embryonic stage of pregnancy? Delay and the cancer may spread and metastasise, making treatment impossible.

Which would you pick: the sentient woman or the cells?

[The Caleshan Valkyrie]

And you have the right to take that option. But everyone else should have the right to choose differently.

I don’t think there should be an option that involves killing a child.

Septic shock it is!

[New haven america]

Uh, you don't "Recover" from things like genetic illnesses or disabilities. They're built into your very DNA, you don't recover, you suffer.

...Would take the option of HOPING THAT MY CHILD WILL NOT HAVE PERMANENT DISABILITIES.

Everyone would like for their children to not have permanent disabilities.

Unfortunately, that's not how the world works, and that's one of the reasons abortion exists.

[Katganistan]

Because born children are different from zygotes, blastocysts, embryos and fetuses in that they are already born, and are no longer within a woman's body. At that point if she cannot care for it it can be given up.

But why put her through the health stresses, financial obligations, and societal judgment if she's in the first 24 weeks of an unplanned pregnancy?

Blastocysts are living things, so are we. There is very little that separates a born baby from a late stage one (especially very late stage). They are all living.

Literally no one has said they are not living. Why are you arguing things no one has stated?



That's a blastocyst. On the tip of a needle. If you can't see the difference between that and

this I don't know what to tell you.

[The New California Republic]

And you have the right to take that option. But everyone else should have the right to choose differently.

I don’t think there should be an option that involves killing a child.

The fetus isn't a child, how many times does this need to be reiterated:

a child (plural: children) is a human being between the stages of birth and puberty.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child

[The New California Republic]

Because born children are different from zygotes, blastocysts, embryos and fetuses in that they are already born, and are no longer within a woman's body. At that point if she cannot care for it it can be given up.

But why put her through the health stresses, financial obligations, and societal judgment if she's in the first 24 weeks of an unplanned pregnancy?

Blastocysts are living things, so are we. There is very little that separates a born baby from a late stage one (especially very late stage). They are all living.

You could make the same ridiculous cul-de-sac argument about tumors as well...

[Servilis]

Blastocysts are living things, so are we. There is very little that separates a born baby from a late stage one (especially very late stage). They are all living.

So, what do you propose doing with a woman who has an ectopic pregnancy.

You can't save that "precious little bundle of joy" (it often happens at about twelve weeks). If you delay, you'll kill the woman.

Or, uterine or cervical or ovarian cancer, diagnosed early in the pregnancy? While it's still in the embryonic stage of pregnancy? Delay and the cancer may spread and metastasise, making treatment impossible.

Which would you pick: the sentient woman or the cells?

I'd go for the Sentient Woman.
And also, "Pro-Life" isn't very Pro-Life at all.
They claim to love creation so much, but the second the person gets born they start crapping on them.

[Servilis]

So, what do you propose doing with a woman who has an ectopic pregnancy.

You can't save that "precious little bundle of joy" (it often happens at about twelve weeks). If you delay, you'll kill the woman.

Or, uterine or cervical or ovarian cancer, diagnosed early in the pregnancy? While it's still in the embryonic stage of pregnancy? Delay and the cancer may spread and metastasise, making treatment impossible.

Which would you pick: the sentient woman or the cells?

I'd go for the Sentient Woman.
And also, "Pro-Life" isn't very Pro-Life at all.
They claim to love creation so much, but the second the person gets born they start crapping on them.

And to all those believing such a thing to be murder.
I give you a very heavy response.
And that response is :

"Citation Needed".

[Romanian-Slavia]

Most people will think that women have the right to choose if want to born their children or not, but abortion is a crime

[Servilis]

Most people will think that women have the right to choose if want to born their children or not, but abortion is a crime

Once again, citation needed.

[New haven america]

Most people will think that women have the right to choose if want to born their children or not, but abortion is a crime

Why?

[The Free Joy State]

Most people will think that women have the right to choose if want to born their children or not, but abortion is a crime

Unless you are in Malta or Vatican City (also El Salvador, the Dominican Republic, Nicaragua, and Chile) having an abortion is not a crime.

[Romanian-Slavia]

Most people will think that women have the right to choose if want to born their children or not, but abortion is a crime

Why?

That child, embryo or how do you want name it is alive, is a person like you, the oly differnce is that it is unborn. What did him/her wrong to you to take him/her the right to be borned. Whatever, you're killing a person (born or unborn) => ABORTION=CRIME

[New haven america]

Why?

That child, embryo or how do you want name it is alive, is a person like you, the oly differnce is that it is unborn. What did him/her wrong to you to take him/her the right to be borned. Whatever, you're killing a person (born or unborn) => ABORTION=CRIME

Well, it didn't do anything to me, but it is infringing on the bodily rights of and harming the person carrying it. Or the fact that in some cases it can be born with genetic or mental illnesses that will lead to a life of senseless and needless suffering. Or the fact that people can be ill-prepared to take care of a child and don't want to put their body through the pregnancy and birthing process (Which leads to several long term and even lifetime side effects).

[Servilis]

Why?

That child, embryo or how do you want name it is alive, is a person like you, the oly differnce is that it is unborn. What did him/her wrong to you to take him/her the right to be borned. Whatever, you're killing a person (born or unborn) => ABORTION=CRIME

Do I need to repeat myself?
Once again, Citation Needed.

[The New California Republic]

Why?

That child, embryo or how do you want name it is alive, is a person like you, the oly differnce is that it is unborn. What did him/her wrong to you to take him/her the right to be borned. Whatever, you're killing a person (born or unborn) => ABORTION=CRIME

The fetus isn't a person. We have been over this repeatedly.

[The Free Joy State]

Why?

That child, embryo or how do you want name it is alive, is a person like you, the oly differnce is that it is unborn. What did him/her wrong to you to take him/her the right to be borned. Whatever, you're killing a person (born or unborn) => ABORTION=CRIME

Oh, the big scary capitals now? Makes no difference.

Again, unless you live in one of the only six countries to ban it, having an abortion is not a crime.

Oh, and what happens where all abortion is banned:

Many of the patients in the hospital were young women. More than a few were pregnant. This is a common sight in El Salvador, where more than a third of all babies are born to girls, some as young as 10. [...]

“For example, if we have a woman with a high-risk pregnancy, we have to wait until the risk is very high and she is immediate risk of death,” says Ortiz. […]

El Salvador’s rates of maternal mortality are higher than average in Latin America. Suicide is the leading cause of death among teenage girls[…]
Agrupación estimates that 129 women were arrested for abortion-related crimes between 2000 and 2011, the last year for which they have published data. Many of these women did not provoke abortions. They suffered miscarriages or obstetric emergencies like stillbirths. The state barely makes any distinction.[…]

Most of these women are poor. Most lack an education. Teodora del Carmen Vásquez was 9 months pregnant and working as a cafeteria worker when she felt contractions and called an emergency line. It was raining, and the services took hours to come. She went into the bathroom, thinking she had to pee. As she sat down, she lost consciousness. She suffered a stillbirth. When she awoke, still in the bathroom, the police were knocking on the door. They handcuffed her and took her to the hospital. “Why did you do it?” they asked. The state then charged her with aggravated homicide and sentenced her to 30 years. She’s been in jail for 9. She is 33 years old.

This is the result of banning all abortion. Misery.

[New haven america]

That child, embryo or how do you want name it is alive, is a person like you, the oly differnce is that it is unborn. What did him/her wrong to you to take him/her the right to be borned. Whatever, you're killing a person (born or unborn) => ABORTION=CRIME

Oh, the big scary capitals now? Makes no difference.

Again, unless you live in one of the only six countries to ban it, having an abortion is not a crime.

Oh, and this is what happens where all abortion is banned:

Many of the patients in the hospital were young women. More than a few were pregnant. This is a common sight in El Salvador, where more than a third of all babies are born to girls, some as young as 10. [...]

“For example, if we have a woman with a high-risk pregnancy, we have to wait until the risk is very high and she is immediate risk of death,” says Ortiz. […]

El Salvador’s rates of maternal mortality are higher than average in Latin America. Suicide is the leading cause of death among teenage girls[…]
Agrupación estimates that 129 women were arrested for abortion-related crimes between 2000 and 2011, the last year for which they have published data. Many of these women did not provoke abortions. They suffered miscarriages or obstetric emergencies like stillbirths. The state barely makes any distinction.[…]

Most of these women are poor. Most lack an education. Teodora del Carmen Vásquez was 9 months pregnant and working as a cafeteria worker when she felt contractions and called an emergency line. It was raining, and the services took hours to come. She went into the bathroom, thinking she had to pee. As she sat down, she lost consciousness. She suffered a stillbirth. When she awoke, still in the bathroom, the police were knocking on the door. They handcuffed her and took her to the hospital. “Why did you do it?” they asked. The state then charged her with aggravated homicide and sentenced her to 30 years. She’s been in jail for 9. She is 33 years old.

This is the result of banning all abortion. Misery.

Also "Borned."