[Abortion Thread] (YET ANOTHER POLL!) Taking measure.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Right, can any of you explain to me how prescribing an adoption would cure an ectopic pregnancy?

[Datlofff]

Right, can any of you explain to me how prescribing an adoption would cure an ectopic pregnancy?

Well considering the fact that the fetus implanting there won't survive to begin with, its fine to abort that, considering nothing will come from it but the mothers potential death

[Telconi]

Right, can any of you explain to me how prescribing an adoption would cure an ectopic pregnancy?

As soon as you explain how a rape victim aborting her child will un-rape her.

[Mardla]

I am opposed to taking a human life except as punishment for a serious crime, or to neutralize an existential threat.

A women whose a victim of rape or incest should be forced to carry the child to term? In the case of toxic pregnancy the life of the fetus is more important and therefore the mother allowed to die?

You're asking whether or not a mother should put her child's life above her own?

[San Lumen]

A women whose a victim of rape or incest should be forced to carry the child to term? In the case of toxic pregnancy the life of the fetus is more important and therefore the mother allowed to die?

You're asking whether or not a mother should put her child's life above her own?

Im asking if you believe in that case the mother should be denied a abortion and allowed to die?

[Mardla]

You're asking whether or not a mother should put her child's life above her own?

Im asking if you believe in that case the mother should be denied a abortion and allowed to die?

Yeah. Obviously. If we can order people to die against their will out of duty to their country.

[San Lumen]

Im asking if you believe in that case the mother should be denied a abortion and allowed to die?

Yeah. Obviously. If we can order people to die against their will out of duty to their country.

Therefore the the life of the fetus is more important than the mother?

[Mardla]

Yeah. Obviously. If we can order people to die against their will out of duty to their country.

Therefore the the life of the fetus is more important than the mother?

I don't know. I only know a parent has a duty to die for his or her child, whereas a child has no duty to die for his or her parents.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Right, can any of you explain to me how prescribing an adoption would cure an ectopic pregnancy?

As soon as you explain how a rape victim aborting her child will un-rape her.

Sanctimonious demands for me to consider the 5/6/7^th Commandment will be ignored. Answer the question.

[San Lumen]

Therefore the the life of the fetus is more important than the mother?

I don't know. I only know a parent has a duty to die for his or her child, whereas a child has no duty to die for his or her parents.

You are saying the life of the unborn child is more important than the mother.

[Telconi]

I don't know. I only know a parent has a duty to die for his or her child, whereas a child has no duty to die for his or her parents.

You are saying the life of the unborn child is more important than the mother.

I believe he explicitly stated that he doesn't know.

[Mardla]

I don't know. I only know a parent has a duty to die for his or her child, whereas a child has no duty to die for his or her parents.

You are saying the life of the unborn child is more important than the mother.

You are reading me as a consequentialist.

[San Lumen]

You are saying the life of the unborn child is more important than the mother.

You are reading me as a consequentialist.

What do you mean?

[Mardla]

You are reading me as a consequentialist.

What do you mean?

I mean I consider the value of the respective parties irrelevant here.

[The Free Joy State]

Right, can any of you explain to me how prescribing an adoption would cure an ectopic pregnancy?

As soon as you explain how a rape victim aborting her child will un-rape her.

Forcing the woman to go through with a pregnancy she did not want is another person is forcing that already-traumatised woman to do something with her body that she would not choose to do.

It is taking the woman's control of her body away from her and giving it to another party.

Ring any bells?

An abortion cannot "un-rape-her". Denying her an abortion could revictimise her (where the woman feels "re-raped" by medical professionals or law enforcement)

Even a subsequent, voluntary pregnancy with a partner can be dangerously traumatic to a former rape victim.

Carrying a rapist's baby, against her will, can be harmful to the woman. And the foetus. Children of rape often have more problems (including PTSD, depression and anxiety).

[Telconi]

You are reading me as a consequentialist.

What do you mean?

The question is not of explicit value, was Tim McCarthy's life less valuable than Ronald Reagan's?

[San Lumen]

What do you mean?

I mean I consider the value of the respective parties irrelevant here.

You have no problem with this?
https://www.theguardian.com/global-deve ... ving-birth

A 14 year old girl denied abortion in Paraguay where it is completely illegal and dying in childbirth?

A few years ago a ten year old in Paraguay was denied a abortion after being raped by her stepfather. You have no issue with that either?

[Mardla]

As soon as you explain how a rape victim aborting her child will un-rape her.

Forcing the woman to go through with a pregnancy she did not want is another person is forcing that already-traumatised woman to do something with her body that she would not choose to do.

It is taking the woman's control of her body away from her and giving it to another party.

Ring any bells?

An abortion cannot "un-rape-her". Denying her an abortion could revictimise her (where the woman feels "re-raped" by medical professionals or law enforcement)

Even a subsequent, voluntary pregnancy with a partner can be dangerously traumatic to a former rape victim.

Carrying a rapist's baby, against her will, can be harmful to the woman. And the foetus. Children of rape often have more problems (including PTSD, depression and anxiety).

Are you saying that a life with such problems is not worth living?

[Telconi]

I mean I consider the value of the respective parties irrelevant here.

You have no problem with this?
https://www.theguardian.com/global-deve ... ving-birth

A 14 year old girl denied abortion in Paraguay where it is completely illegal and dying in childbirth?

A few years ago a ten year old in Paraguay was denied a abortion after being raped by her stepfather. You have no issue with that either?

You do understand its possible to support policies that you have problems with right?

[San Lumen]

You have no problem with this?
https://www.theguardian.com/global-deve ... ving-birth

A 14 year old girl denied abortion in Paraguay where it is completely illegal and dying in childbirth?

A few years ago a ten year old in Paraguay was denied a abortion after being raped by her stepfather. You have no issue with that either?

You do understand its possible to support policies that you have problems with right?

They have said abortion ought to be illegal in all cases. There are two examples why it should not.

[The Free Joy State]

Forcing the woman to go through with a pregnancy she did not want is another person is forcing that already-traumatised woman to do something with her body that she would not choose to do.

It is taking the woman's control of her body away from her and giving it to another party.

Ring any bells?

An abortion cannot "un-rape-her". Denying her an abortion could revictimise her (where the woman feels "re-raped" by medical professionals or law enforcement)

Even a subsequent, voluntary pregnancy with a partner can be dangerously traumatic to a former rape victim.

Carrying a rapist's baby, against her will, can be harmful to the woman. And the foetus. Children of rape often have more problems (including PTSD, depression and anxiety).

Are you saying that a life with such problems is not worth living?

Nice sidestep.

Depression, PTSD and anxiety can be -- I imagine --hellish illnesses to endure, and I'm not sure I'd want to wish them on a foetus. I am not advocating abortion, if such things run in the family. That is a choice for the woman alone.

As it is for the woman to choose if it would help her trauma to abort the result of rape.

Now a question for the pro-lifers: if you knew a woman would definitely commit suicide -- or die in childbirth like the fourteen-year-old minor in Paraguay -- would you still deny a rape victim an abortion?

Would you deny her an abortion, even if the victim was very young girl, like this other rape victim in Paraguay (who did survive).

[Godular]

Forcing the woman to go through with a pregnancy she did not want is another person is forcing that already-traumatised woman to do something with her body that she would not choose to do.

It is taking the woman's control of her body away from her and giving it to another party.

Ring any bells?

An abortion cannot "un-rape-her". Denying her an abortion could revictimise her (where the woman feels "re-raped" by medical professionals or law enforcement)

Even a subsequent, voluntary pregnancy with a partner can be dangerously traumatic to a former rape victim.

Carrying a rapist's baby, against her will, can be harmful to the woman. And the foetus. Children of rape often have more problems (including PTSD, depression and anxiety).

Are you saying that a life with such problems is not worth living?

Are you saying we shouldn’t give a shit what the rape victim thinks about her own emotional integrity?

Cuz I be hearing that.

[Mardla]

Are you saying that a life with such problems is not worth living?

Nice sidestep.

Depression, PTSD and anxiety can be -- I imagine --hellish illnesses to endure, and I'm not sure I'd want to wish them on a foetus. I am not advocating abortion, if such things run in the family. That is a choice for the woman alone.

As it is for the woman to choose if it would help her trauma to abort the result of rape.

Now a question for the pro-lifers: if you knew a woman would definitely commit suicide -- or die in childbirth like the fourteen-year-old minor in Paraguay -- would you still deny a rape victim an abortion?

Would you deny her an abortion, even if the victim was very young girl, like this other rape victim in Paraguay (who did survive).

The victim of abortion is even younger

[Telconi]

You do understand its possible to support policies that you have problems with right?

They have said abortion ought to be illegal in all cases. There are two examples why it should not.

No, those are two examples of negative reprocussions.

[Godular]

Nice sidestep.

Depression, PTSD and anxiety can be -- I imagine --hellish illnesses to endure, and I'm not sure I'd want to wish them on a foetus. I am not advocating abortion, if such things run in the family. That is a choice for the woman alone.

As it is for the woman to choose if it would help her trauma to abort the result of rape.

Now a question for the pro-lifers: if you knew a woman would definitely commit suicide -- or die in childbirth like the fourteen-year-old minor in Paraguay -- would you still deny a rape victim an abortion?

Would you deny her an abortion, even if the victim was very young girl, like this other rape victim in Paraguay (who did survive).

The victim of abortion is even younger

And not really a victim, honestly. If we consider the degree of trauma involved.