[Abortion Thread] (YET ANOTHER POLL!) Taking measure.

[Constitutional Technocracy of Minecraft]

By the way, I don't get y'all social conservative's viewpoints. You stigmatize welfare, then encourage people to have babies, which puts strain on the system. Then, you call the left hypocrites.

It comes from the viewpoint that it was “God’s plan” for said person to become pregnant, even if the pregnancy is a result of rape...

What if it was God's plan for the fetus to be aborted?

[The Blaatschapen]

By the way, I don't get y'all social conservative's viewpoints. You stigmatize welfare, then encourage people to have babies, which puts strain on the system. Then, you call the left hypocrites.

It comes from the viewpoint that it was “God’s plan” for said person to become pregnant, even if the pregnancy is a result of rape...

It is also God's plan that those people get a swift kick in the groin if I ever encounter them

I mean, it's one thing to be prolife. It's another to hide behind God. It's absolutely vile to use God as a rape apologist.

[The South Falls]

It comes from the viewpoint that it was “God’s plan” for said person to become pregnant, even if the pregnancy is a result of rape...

It is also God's plan that those people get a swift kick in the groin if I ever encounter them

I mean, it's one thing to be prolife. It's another to hide behind God. It's absolutely vile to use God as a rape apologist.

God might want us to suffer, but we shouldn't speak for god.

[Constitutional Technocracy of Minecraft]

It is also God's plan that those people get a swift kick in the groin if I ever encounter them

I mean, it's one thing to be prolife. It's another to hide behind God. It's absolutely vile to use God as a rape apologist.

God might want us to suffer, but we shouldn't speak for god.

Why should anyone worship a god that wants them to suffer?

[Katganistan]

Who will pay for the ICU?

Perhaps [compassionate] anti-abortionists?

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The same one adopting all those kids languishing in foster care or institutional care?

[Katganistan]

Finally got home to my computer so I could think up a decent poll.

Before anybody says anything about that last option: Well, it IS unreasonable!

You're missing the stance of most pro-lifers, myself included--opposition to abortion only in cases where the mother's health is in danger.

Hopefully I'll be more active here.

So if her health is in danger, let her die. Otherwise, abortions for everyone!

Odd stance.

[Godular]

You're missing the stance of most pro-lifers, myself included--opposition to abortion only in cases where the mother's health is in danger.

Hopefully I'll be more active here.

So if her health is in danger, let her die. Otherwise, abortions for everyone!

Odd stance.

I admit, I read it that way at first m'self.

[Katganistan]

By the way, I don't get y'all social conservative's viewpoints. You stigmatize welfare, then encourage people to have babies, which puts strain on the system. Then, you call the left hypocrites.

Hard to understand, isn't it?

[Katganistan]

It comes from the viewpoint that it was “God’s plan” for said person to become pregnant, even if the pregnancy is a result of rape...

It is also God's plan that those people get a swift kick in the groin if I ever encounter them

I mean, it's one thing to be prolife. It's another to hide behind God. It's absolutely vile to use God as a rape apologist.

*hugs the sheep*

[Katganistan]

So if her health is in danger, let her die. Otherwise, abortions for everyone!

Odd stance.

I admit, I read it that way at first m'self.

That's because that's what it says, when parsed out in English.

Opposition to abortion only in cases where the mother's health is in danger
Being against abortion in the single, solitary case where the mother's health is in danger.

[Luna Amore]

By the way, I don't get y'all social conservative's viewpoints. You stigmatize welfare, then encourage people to have babies, which puts strain on the system. Then, you call the left hypocrites.

Hard to understand, isn't it?

Not particularly.

Telling someone they can’t kill a baby (as is the view) does not oblige them to help pay for said baby. It’s also disingenuous to say all pro-lifers are encouraging you have babies. Wanting people to be responsible for the actions they’ve already taken doesn’t equal encouraging that action.

If you bet this month’s rent on a pokerhand at a casino and lose, I think you should pay up. That doesn’t mean I thought it was good idea or that I’m on the hook for your rent.

[The South Falls]

Hard to understand, isn't it?

Not particularly.

Telling someone they can’t kill a baby (as is the view) does not oblige them to help pay for said baby. It’s also disingenuous to say all pro-lifers are encouraging you have babies. Wanting people to be responsible for the actions they’ve already taken doesn’t equal encouraging that action.

If you bet this month’s rent on a pokerhand at a casino and lose, I think you should pay up. That doesn’t mean I thought it was good idea or that I’m on the hook for your rent.

I'd honestly support free distribution of contraceptives and other birth control mechanisms, but people are impulsive in the heat of the moment. They don't think forward, they just do. We shouldn't punish people for their bad decisions.

[Luna Amore]

Not particularly.

Telling someone they can’t kill a baby (as is the view) does not oblige them to help pay for said baby. It’s also disingenuous to say all pro-lifers are encouraging you have babies. Wanting people to be responsible for the actions they’ve already taken doesn’t equal encouraging that action.

If you bet this month’s rent on a pokerhand at a casino and lose, I think you should pay up. That doesn’t mean I thought it was good idea or that I’m on the hook for your rent.

I'd honestly support free distribution of contraceptives and other birth control mechanisms, but people are impulsive in the heat of the moment. They don't think forward, they just do. We shouldn't punish people for their bad decisions.

It’s not a punishment, it’s a consequence. Yes, people should be responsible for the consequences of their actions. I can’t imagine how terrible it would be if we didn’t. If you don’t think through your choices, that is on you. We have self control. We have free will.

I have no objection to covering contraceptions but condom companies might.

[Cappuccina]

It comes from the viewpoint that it was “God’s plan” for said person to become pregnant, even if the pregnancy is a result of rape...

It is also God's plan that those people get a swift kick in the groin if I ever encounter them

I mean, it's one thing to be prolife. It's another to hide behind God. It's absolutely vile to use God as a rape apologist.

That's not rape apology. It'd be one thing to condone rape, which no one is doing, and to say the embryo or fetus is a separate matter and individual from the rapist (which it is).

[Telconi]

By the way, I don't get y'all social conservative's viewpoints. You stigmatize welfare, then encourage people to have babies, which puts strain on the system. Then, you call the left hypocrites.

Hard to understand, isn't it?

People oppose all kinda of things without considering themselves responsible for the hardships this causes. I support driver's licensing, I don't take personal responsibility to drive people to the DMV. I support laws against rape, I don't consider myself responsible for finding incels girlfriends. I support laws against burning your kid with cigarettes, I also don't think it necessary to adopt a ton of children to hold that belief.

Having said that, there are people who feel themselves responsible for adopting children, the director of the CPC that I volunteer at is the proud parent of six children, all adopted. And her husband, an attorney, does adoption work pro bono.

[The V O I D]

I'd honestly support free distribution of contraceptives and other birth control mechanisms, but people are impulsive in the heat of the moment. They don't think forward, they just do. We shouldn't punish people for their bad decisions.

It’s not a punishment, it’s a consequence. Yes, people should be responsible for the consequences of their actions. I can’t imagine how terrible it would be if we didn’t. If you don’t think through your choices, that is on you. We have self control. We have free will.

I have no objection to covering contraceptions but condom companies might.

Have we not discussed this?

Consenting to sex is not consenting to pregnancy. Consent can be revoked at any time. There are no responsibilities to deal with the “consequences” of actions. Contraceptives aren't foolproof and sex isn't just for procreation. It hasn't been for a long, long time in the history of our species. Sex can happen just for pleasure, and the woman shouldn't be punished because contraceptives failed.

[Godular]

I'd honestly support free distribution of contraceptives and other birth control mechanisms, but people are impulsive in the heat of the moment. They don't think forward, they just do. We shouldn't punish people for their bad decisions.

It’s not a punishment, it’s a consequence. Yes, people should be responsible for the consequences of their actions. I can’t imagine how terrible it would be if we didn’t. If you don’t think through your choices, that is on you. We have self control. We have free will.

I have no objection to covering contraceptions but condom companies might.

Getting an abortion IS taking responsibility. It is the woman knowing that she is not ready for pregnancy and taking steps to rectify the issue. Acknowledging the risk does not mean consenting to those risks being borne through, nor does it inherently preclude somebody from getting treatment should it happen.

[Genivaria]

I'd honestly support free distribution of contraceptives and other birth control mechanisms, but people are impulsive in the heat of the moment. They don't think forward, they just do. We shouldn't punish people for their bad decisions.

It’s not a punishment, it’s a consequence. Yes, people should be responsible for the consequences of their actions. I can’t imagine how terrible it would be if we didn’t. If you don’t think through your choices, that is on you. We have self control. We have free will.

I have no objection to covering contraceptions but condom companies might.

Oh bullshit.
Stop treating getting pregnant as if it were a crime.

[The Liberated Territories]

I am an evictionist. Killing the foetus is immoral, but getting rid of isnt. Hopefully we will get to the point where abortion isn't necessary. Otherwise yes, I believe the mother has the right to evict the foetus for any reason.

[United Massachusetts]

Finally got home to my computer so I could think up a decent poll.

Before anybody says anything about that last option: Well, it IS unreasonable!

You're missing the stance of most pro-lifers, myself included--opposition to support for abortion only in cases where the mother's health is in danger.

Hopefully I'll be more active here.

Fixed

[Delta-9 Tetrahydrocannabinol]

It is also God's plan that those people get a swift kick in the groin if I ever encounter them

I mean, it's one thing to be prolife. It's another to hide behind God. It's absolutely vile to use God as a rape apologist.

That's not rape apology. It'd be one thing to condone rape, which no one is doing, and to say the embryo or fetus is a separate matter and individual from the rapist (which it is).

Like I said, it comes from the belief that every pregnancy was “God’s plan”, no matter how the fetus was conceived. Plus, I think telling people they need to carry the rape pregnancy to term is far more immoral than termination of said pregnancy.

[Godular]

You're missing the stance of most pro-lifers, myself included--opposition to support for abortion only in cases where the mother's health is in danger.

Hopefully I'll be more active here.

Fixed

Even so, it's a rather unreasonable caveat to restrict it to when it's obvious life threatening danger. Hormonal issues can come at a person sideways in too many ways to count.

When my mother was pregnant with my brother, it was smooth sailing all the way. Hardly even a bout of morning sickness through the entire thing. When she was pregnant with ME... apparently I made up the balance. Among all of the things that happened was the sudden and very permanent allergy to watermelons. It was good that mom had already been a licensed medical professional, so she could respond to the reaction before it went into full-on anaphylactic shock.

She --and myself by extension-- were lucky. I don't think she's ever forgiven me for the watermelon allergy though. She loved those.

One can't predict how the changes will affect a person's body as a whole, but it strikes as unreasonable to say 'it's only justified if it's obviously life threatening' when taking into account that some of these changes can take a person from zero to six feet under in the span of an 'I feel woozy'. It smacks too much of people who think they know what's best for others without justification.

[The South Falls]

That's not rape apology. It'd be one thing to condone rape, which no one is doing, and to say the embryo or fetus is a separate matter and individual from the rapist (which it is).

Like I said, it comes from the belief that every pregnancy was “God’s plan”, no matter how the fetus was conceived. Plus, I think telling people they need to carry the rape pregnancy to term is far more immoral than termination of said pregnancy.

They also need to die, becasue that's god's plan.

[Telconi]

It’s not a punishment, it’s a consequence. Yes, people should be responsible for the consequences of their actions. I can’t imagine how terrible it would be if we didn’t. If you don’t think through your choices, that is on you. We have self control. We have free will.

I have no objection to covering contraceptions but condom companies might.

Oh bullshit.
Stop treating getting pregnant as if it were a crime.

Stop treating driving an automobile as a crime.

[The V O I D]

Oh bullshit.
Stop treating getting pregnant as if it were a crime.

Stop treating driving an automobile as a crime.

One of these things is not like the other~, one of these things is not like the other~.