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What policies would you use to reduce abortion numbers?

Welfare Support for Single Mothers
481
17%
Free Pregnancy-Related Health Care
494
17%
Comprehensive Sex Education
604
21%
Free Contraception
499
17%
Monetary Incentives (Child Care, Tax Incentives, Kid-Related Healthcare, specify if needed)
375
13%
No Changes
47
2%
Procedure Ban (Not outlawing abortion itself, but specific procedures)
89
3%
Outright Ban (With exceptions or without)
281
10%
 
Total votes : 2870

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Postby Purple Rats » Wed Apr 01, 2020 4:27 pm

Godular wrote:[

And given the anecdote previously used, I'd say the clinic did more than its due diligence in making sure the risk and repercussions of such complications were minimized.


Although I think it's quite disrespectful to say "anecdote" for something which put someone health in risk, I do agree with you that it is better to do it in clinic, as you can get help, if something happens.

That's why I also think, it is needed to keep abortion clinics open during epidemic.

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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Wed Apr 01, 2020 4:27 pm

Galloism wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
You clearly are too wrapped up on your pet project to understand that this thread is about abortion as a right during an emergency. Not every procedure. But I’m too tired today to go in circles.

These are valid questions, why is abortion more rightful than other procedures of its kind.

There's a reason why we can close down most stores and leave grocery and pharmacy stores open (we recognize them as purveyors of essential goods). There's a reason why with the same we keep gun stores open (they are purveyors of a right).

But, and this is important, if we close down all voluntary medical procedures, even those that are time sensitive IE vasectomy or bone spur removal, but leave abortion providers open, we must have a reason why that is the exception to the general closure law. So far no one has said what that is yet.


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Postby Galloism » Wed Apr 01, 2020 4:30 pm

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Galloism wrote:These are valid questions, why is abortion more rightful than other procedures of its kind.

There's a reason why we can close down most stores and leave grocery and pharmacy stores open (we recognize them as purveyors of essential goods). There's a reason why with the same we keep gun stores open (they are purveyors of a right).

But, and this is important, if we close down all voluntary medical procedures, even those that are time sensitive IE vasectomy or bone spur removal, but leave abortion providers open, we must have a reason why that is the exception to the general closure law. So far no one has said what that is yet.


Like I said, not going in circles today.

It's not really a circle - it's more of a question.

Answering a question no one has answered doesn't mean going in a circle, and refusing to engage with the logic of the question is not noble.
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Postby Godular » Wed Apr 01, 2020 4:30 pm

Purple Rats wrote:
Godular wrote:[

And given the anecdote previously used, I'd say the clinic did more than its due diligence in making sure the risk and repercussions of such complications were minimized.


Although I think it's quite disrespectful to say "anecdote" for something which put someone health in risk, I do agree with you that it is better to do it in clinic, as you can get help, if something happens.

That's why I also think, it is needed to keep abortion clinics open during epidemic.


An anecdote is a personal story, which is what you put forward. It was not intended to be disrespectful, though I cannot help it if you assign a negative connotation to the use of the word.

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Postby Sundiata » Wed Apr 01, 2020 6:32 pm

Hail Mary, full of grace,
The Lord is with you,
Blessed are you among women,
and blessed is the fruit of your womb, Jesus
Holy Mary, Mother of God,
Pray for us sinners now,
and at the hour of death,
Amen.

The blessing of our mother is a beautiful prayer for me because it reminds me that all women are in turn blessed too. :)
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Postby The New California Republic » Wed Apr 01, 2020 6:45 pm

Sundiata wrote:Hail Mary, full of grace,
The Lord is with you,
Blessed are you among women,
and blessed is the fruit of your womb, Jesus
Holy Mary, Mother of God,
Pray for us sinners now,
and at the hour of death,
Amen.

Just saying a prayer here is pretty spammy tbh. Just saying.
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Postby Sundiata » Wed Apr 01, 2020 6:46 pm

The New California Republic wrote:
Sundiata wrote:Hail Mary, full of grace,
The Lord is with you,
Blessed are you among women,
and blessed is the fruit of your womb, Jesus
Holy Mary, Mother of God,
Pray for us sinners now,
and at the hour of death,
Amen.

Just saying a prayer here is pretty spammy tbh. Just saying.

Good point, I'll definitely add more to that post.
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Postby Farnhamia » Wed Apr 01, 2020 6:50 pm

Could have sworn I locked this.
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