[Abortion Thread] (YET ANOTHER POLL!) Taking measure.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Provided you follow aftercare instructions, they are safe procedures.

Complications from abortions aren't uncommon, as your body doesn't consider the removal of a ordinary biological product of reproduction namely, the unborn baby, so it is not surprising the pill and procedures have numerous side effects.

You can have complications from having a tooth removed. Provided the procedure is done by qualified doctors, and the patient follows after care, complications are as low as 1%. It’s is a safe procedure.

[The New California Republic]

Except you haven't been proven right. You claimed that they needed the masks in abortion clinics. They clearly do not.

So you're admitting abortion clinics are not healthcare providers then since they can't order those masks? Just so we're clear.

Another strawman. Did you get them in a sale or something?

[Purple Rats]

Provided you follow aftercare instructions, they are safe procedures.

They are safe, in general, but not "extremely safe", as there can be side effects, which happen even if you do everything like told. I mean, it can happen right in hospital, just soon after taking pill.
(if we talk about pill method)

[Zohiania]

The varied complication rates for abortion are usually between 1.4-2.2% across the globe in places where they are reported

[Stagnant Axon Terminal]

So you're admitting abortion clinics are not healthcare providers then since they can't order those masks? Just so we're clear.

Another strawman. Did you get them in a sale or something?

It's all walmart has left. No toilet paper, no pasta, no soup. Only strawmen.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

The thread however is not about vasectomies.

Again, the right to abortion is based on right to acceptable medical procedures.

We either do, or do not have, that right. This applies to all voluntary procedures just like abortion, but despite them barring literally all voluntarily medical procedures, only this one gets a backlash (a well deserved one, but still, a backlash), so why is this one the special procedure, when banning all the others is fine?

Sure, but this thread is about right to abortion during an emergency. Not about every procedure that’s been put on hold. Or vasectomies. I get where you’re coming from, it’s about having a right to your reproduction. But that’s not the point here.

[Godular]

Provided you follow aftercare instructions, they are safe procedures.

They are safe, in general, but not "extremely safe", as there can be side effects, which happen even if you do everything like told. I mean, it can happen right in hospital, just soon after taking pill.
(if we talk about pill method)

Wait, we're quibbling about the use of 'extremely'? Seems a rather trivial issue.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Provided you follow aftercare instructions, they are safe procedures.

They are safe, in general, but not "extremely safe", as there can be side effects, which happen even if you do everything like told. I mean, it can happen right in hospital, just soon after taking pill.
(if we talk about pill method)

Every procedure carries risks. Provided it’s done well and aftercare is followed, risks of side effects are as low as 1%. That’s quite safe.

[Godular]

They are safe, in general, but not "extremely safe", as there can be side effects, which happen even if you do everything like told. I mean, it can happen right in hospital, just soon after taking pill.
(if we talk about pill method)

Every procedure carries risks. Provided it’s done well and aftercare is followed, risks of side effects are as low as 1%. That’s quite safe.

And given the anecdote previously used, I'd say the clinic did more than its due diligence in making sure the risk and repercussions of such complications were minimized.

[Galloism]

Again, the right to abortion is based on right to acceptable medical procedures.

We either do, or do not have, that right. This applies to all voluntary procedures just like abortion, but despite them barring literally all voluntarily medical procedures, only this one gets a backlash (a well deserved one, but still, a backlash), so why is this one the special procedure, when banning all the others is fine?

Sure, but this thread is about right to abortion during an emergency. Not about every procedure that’s been put on hold. Or vasectomies. I get where you’re coming from, it’s about having a right to your reproduction. But that’s not the point here.

Again, it's a question of rights.

Do we have the right to acceptable medical procedures even in an emergency? If no, why is this the exception? If yes, why are we not pointing out how everything else is barred? Why is this one special?

And it's not a timing issue, as that applies to many voluntary medical procedures.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Every procedure carries risks. Provided it’s done well and aftercare is followed, risks of side effects are as low as 1%. That’s quite safe.

And given the anecdote previously used, I'd say the clinic did more than its due diligence in making sure the risk and repercussions of such complications were minimized.

Pretty much. I’m going to, however, remind some here that in the US, abortions are mostly carried out at clinics. Meaning? Their operation doesn’t take away from a hospital.

[Rojava Free State]

Which we're not allowed to call torture or abuse because there's no physical force involved.

Not to mention the abusive shit he proposed whatever woman was unfortunate enough to call him husband would be put through.

Who is this madman and should I be concerned that he exists?

And why would anyone abuse their wife tbh. Man, if I had a girlfriend right now, I would be treating her like royalty, and here's this weirdo threatening to do that kind of stuff.

[Farnhamia]

And here we are, in the real abortion thread!

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Sure, but this thread is about right to abortion during an emergency. Not about every procedure that’s been put on hold. Or vasectomies. I get where you’re coming from, it’s about having a right to your reproduction. But that’s not the point here.

Again, it's a question of rights.

Do we have the right to acceptable medical procedures even in an emergency? If no, why is this the exception? If yes, why are we not pointing out how everything else is barred? Why is this one special?

And it's not a timing issue, as that applies to many voluntary medical procedures.

You clearly are too wrapped up on your pet project to understand that this thread is about abortion as a right during an emergency. Not every procedure. But I’m too tired today to go in circles.

[The New California Republic]

And here we are, in the real abortion thread!

It has taken us up to 499 pages though. Time for Godular to start making a new one soon.

[Godular]

Um... shit... I'm gonna haveta start up a new abortion thread, we're right at the mark. So... PENDING...

[Stagnant Axon Terminal]

And given the anecdote previously used, I'd say the clinic did more than its due diligence in making sure the risk and repercussions of such complications were minimized.

Pretty much. I’m going to, however, remind some here that in the US, abortions are mostly carried out at clinics. Meaning? Their operation doesn’t take away from a hospital.

But but but an OBGYN surely can help grandma with her respiratory virus?????

[Purple Rats]

Every procedure carries risks.

True, and I am not arguing in a way that it would be too dangerous to do, but it seems unwise to present it like "extremely safe", as this makes it seem like there are no risks.

Or maybe I just have different understanding what means something to be 'extremely safe'.

[Deacarsia]

What just happened to this thread? Just a moment ago it was one thread, but now it is part of another!

[Galloism]

Pretty much. I’m going to, however, remind some here that in the US, abortions are mostly carried out at clinics. Meaning? Their operation doesn’t take away from a hospital.

But but but an OBGYN surely can help grandma with her respiratory virus?????

Probably yes.

[The New California Republic]

What just happened to this thread? Just a moment ago it was one thread, but now it is part of another.

Merged by mod.

[Farnhamia]

What just happened to this thread? Just a moment ago it was one thread, but now it is part of another!

*smiles*

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Pretty much. I’m going to, however, remind some here that in the US, abortions are mostly carried out at clinics. Meaning? Their operation doesn’t take away from a hospital.

But but but an OBGYN surely can help grandma with her respiratory virus?????

Def-definitely.

Every procedure carries risks.

True, and I am not arguing in a way that it would be too dangerous to do, but it seems unwise to present it like "extremely safe", as this makes it seem like there are no risks.

Or maybe I just have different understanding what means something to be 'extremely safe'.

Your gripe is over the use of “extremely safe”? Oh my word.

[Stagnant Axon Terminal]

Every procedure carries risks.

True, and I am not arguing in a way that it would be too dangerous to do, but it seems unwise to present it like "extremely safe", as this makes it seem like there are no risks.

Or maybe I just have different understanding what means something to be 'extremely safe'.

You are not understanding.
"Extremely safe" means "very low risk." Hospitalization is necessary in less than 1% of abortions, surgical or medical. That qualifies it as very low-risk.

[Galloism]

Again, it's a question of rights.

Do we have the right to acceptable medical procedures even in an emergency? If no, why is this the exception? If yes, why are we not pointing out how everything else is barred? Why is this one special?

And it's not a timing issue, as that applies to many voluntary medical procedures.

You clearly are too wrapped up on your pet project to understand that this thread is about abortion as a right during an emergency. Not every procedure. But I’m too tired today to go in circles.

These are valid questions, why is abortion more rightful than other procedures of its kind.

There's a reason why we can close down most stores and leave grocery and pharmacy stores open (we recognize them as purveyors of essential goods). There's a reason why with the same we keep gun stores open (they are purveyors of a right).

But, and this is important, if we close down all voluntary medical procedures, even those that are time sensitive IE vasectomy or bone spur removal, but leave abortion providers open, we must have a reason why that is the exception to the general closure law. So far no one has said what that is yet.