[Abortion Thread] (YET ANOTHER POLL!) Taking measure.

[San Lumen]

Why is the unborn child more important then her giving up her career and nine months of her life to care for a child she does not want forced on her by a monster?

because nobody's career is worth more than a person's life.

A fetus is not a person and you have no right to force her to give up everything for a monster.

[Thanatttynia]

What in the ever-loving world are you num-nuts defining as a right?

Ever heard of something called the right to bodily autonomy?

[San Lumen]

What in the ever-loving world are you num-nuts defining as a right?

Ever heard of something called the right to bodily autonomy?

Clearly the life of the unborn child matters more to some people and takes precedence.

[Telconi]

because nobody's career is worth more than a person's life.

A fetus is not a person and you have no right to force her to give up everything for a monster.

Well these are your opinions and I don't share them.

[Thanatttynia]

Ever heard of something called the right to bodily autonomy?

Clearly the life of the unborn child matters more to some people and takes precedence.

Not to me. Human rights of people who are actually alive should take precedence over human rights of people who are dead or not yet born in situations where their rights are incompatible.

[San Lumen]

A fetus is not a person and you have no right to force her to give up everything for a monster.

Well these are your opinions and I don't share them.

What is your right to force a decision like that on someone? Would you force your own daughter to carry a rapist's child to term even if they adamantly told you I dont want this child?

[San Lumen]

Clearly the life of the unborn child matters more to some people and takes precedence.

Not to me. Human rights of people who are actually alive should take precedence over human rights of people who are dead or not yet born in situations where their rights are incompatible.

I agree completely with you.

[Kowani]

A fetus is not a person and you have no right to force her to give up everything for a monster.

Well these are your opinions and I don't share them.

Neither of you share the other’s opinion. That clear things up?

[Freezic Vast]

Well these are your opinions and I don't share them.

What is your right to force a decision like that on someone? Would you force your own daughter to carry a rapist's child to term even if they adamantly told you I dont want this child?

We're not a magic eight ball, no matter how many questions you ask or how your phrase it, our answers are gonna be the same, so get over it.

[Telconi]

Well these are your opinions and I don't share them.

What is your right to force a decision like that on someone? Would you force your own daughter to carry a rapist's child to term even if they adamantly told you I dont want this child?

For someone who cries so often about democracy, you seem to misunderstand the concept. I have the right to support my beliefs because of democracy.

Yes.

[San Lumen]

What is your right to force a decision like that on someone? Would you force your own daughter to carry a rapist's child to term even if they adamantly told you I dont want this child?

We're not a magic eight ball, no matter how many questions you ask or how your phrase it, our answers are gonna be the same, so get over it.

I didn't ask anyone to be so. I'm asking why a fetus should have rights over the person carrying it?

[San Lumen]

What is your right to force a decision like that on someone? Would you force your own daughter to carry a rapist's child to term even if they adamantly told you I dont want this child?

For someone who cries so often about democracy, you seem to misunderstand the concept. I have the right to support my beliefs because of democracy.

Yes.

I never said you cannot have your beliefs but you should not get to make a life changing medical decision for someone.

And why? You'd upend your daughters whole life because of your selfishness?

If a fetus is a person why doesnt the census count them?

[Freezic Vast]

We're not a magic eight ball, no matter how many questions you ask or how your phrase it, our answers are gonna be the same, so get over it.

I didn't ask anyone to be so. I'm asking why a fetus should have rights over the person carrying it?

You've asked similar questions multiple times, we've answered and all we get is more half-baked questions all while calling us monsters for our said answer. We gave you our reply, and yet you still don't seem to get it.

[Telconi]

For someone who cries so often about democracy, you seem to misunderstand the concept. I have the right to support my beliefs because of democracy.

Yes.

I never said you cannot have your beliefs but you should not get to make a life changing medical decision for someone.

And why? You'd upend your daughters whole life because of your selfishness?

If a fetus is a person why doesnt the census count them?

Cool, beliefs we don't share. They aren't really relevant.

I'd upend my daughter's life rather than allow her to kill for her career. Just as I upended my life for her rather than kill for my career.

Because the census is flawed.

[Distance Running]

Well that's not vague or anything... I suppose that means the right of the state to choose to outlaw abortion?

And what right to do you have to tell a woman she must carry a child to term if she doesn't want too.

Should a woman who was raped or the victim of incest be forced to carry that child to term?

Straw man. Most abortions aren't due to rape or incest, so don't paint the pro-right-to-kill cause as primarily, or even as a sizeable bloc, representing such.

[Qroma]

Third trimester, simple.

[Kowani]

I never said you cannot have your beliefs but you should not get to make a life changing medical decision for someone.

And why? You'd upend your daughters whole life because of your selfishness?

If a fetus is a person why doesnt the census count them?

Cool, beliefs we don't share. They aren't really relevant.

I'd upend my daughter's life rather than allow her to kill for her career. Just as I upended my life for her rather than kill for my career.

Because the census is flawed.

Yes, good thing the laws prevent you from deciding whether your daughter can have an abortion or not.

[San Lumen]

I never said you cannot have your beliefs but you should not get to make a life changing medical decision for someone.

And why? You'd upend your daughters whole life because of your selfishness?

If a fetus is a person why doesnt the census count them?

Cool, beliefs we don't share. They aren't really relevant.

I'd upend my daughter's life rather than allow her to kill for her career. Just as I upended my life for her rather than kill for my career.

Because the census is flawed.

So in other words your feelings and what you want matter more than hers?

Did you know that many fertilized eggs for unknown reason never implant in the uterus? If life begins at conception then I guess any woman whose had more than one mensural cycle is a serial killer.

[San Lumen]

Third trimester, simple.

I agree with exceptions for a toxic pregnancy.

[Distance Running]

I don't frankly care what she wants, her wants don't outweigh the child's life.

Uh, How dare I what? express and support political beliefs? Oooooh, spooky evil Telconi, voting like a monster!

Why is the unborn child more important then her giving up her career and nine months of her life to care for a child she does not want forced on her by a monster?

Why are you so intellectually dishonest? San Lumen = King Straw Man

[San Lumen]

Why is the unborn child more important then her giving up her career and nine months of her life to care for a child she does not want forced on her by a monster?

Why are you so intellectually dishonest? San Lumen = King Straw Man

How am i intellectually dishonest?

[Kowani]

And what right to do you have to tell a woman she must carry a child to term if she doesn't want too.

Should a woman who was raped or the victim of incest be forced to carry that child to term?

Straw man. Most abortions aren't due to rape or incest, so don't paint the pro-right-to-kill cause as primarily, or even as a sizeable bloc, representing such.

Well, not really. Telconi actually admitted to being against abortion in those circumstances, so this strawman is more like the Cowardly Scarecrow. (I’m not actually calling anyone a coward, but analogies.)

[Telconi]

Cool, beliefs we don't share. They aren't really relevant.

I'd upend my daughter's life rather than allow her to kill for her career. Just as I upended my life for her rather than kill for my career.

Because the census is flawed.

Yes, good thing the laws prevent you from deciding whether your daughter can have an abortion or not.

Cool thing about laws, they're subject to change.

Cool, beliefs we don't share. They aren't really relevant.

I'd upend my daughter's life rather than allow her to kill for her career. Just as I upended my life for her rather than kill for my career.

Because the census is flawed.

So in other words your feelings and what you want matter more than hers?

Did you know that many fertilized eggs for unknown reason never implant in the uterus? If life begins at conception then I guess any woman whose had more than one mensural cycle is a serial killer.

In your hypothetical, yes, just like how my feelings more than rapists raping, robbers robbing, or any other wrongdoer.

Well fuck man, better lock up all the doctors.

[Thanatttynia]

How a woman became pregnant is irrelevant. If she's pregnant, it's her prerogative to choose whether or not to have an abortion.

[Kowani]

Yes, good thing the laws prevent you from deciding whether your daughter can have an abortion or not.

Cool thing about laws, they're subject to change.

Better thing about laws, changing them is quite hard.