Excellent. How about this: If, at some time in the future, a majority of people were to hold that abortion is murder no matter what, would you support them banning it outright?
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by Antityranicals » Fri Aug 30, 2019 6:26 pm
by Antityranicals » Fri Aug 30, 2019 6:27 pm
Kowani wrote:Greater Kongo-Zaire wrote:Outright ban, without exception. If it’s rape, punish the rapist, don’t slaghter the innocent. If the mother dies, the rapist is the murderer, not the child. Murdering children is never justifiable, and especially not because people wanna do whatever they wanna do without consequences coming back to bite. Time to end irresponsibility.
Imagine thinking this would prevent abortion in any way, shape or form.
by Kowani » Fri Aug 30, 2019 6:28 pm
by Antityranicals » Fri Aug 30, 2019 6:28 pm
Godular wrote:Greater Kongo-Zaire wrote:Outright ban, without exception. If it’s rape, punish the rapist, don’t slaghter the innocent.
Innocence is irrelevant.If the mother dies, the rapist is the murderer, not the child. Murdering children is never justifiable, and especially not because people wanna do whatever they wanna do without consequences coming back to bite. Time to end irresponsibility.
Getting an abortion IS taking responsibility, whether you like it or not.
by Neko-koku » Fri Aug 30, 2019 6:29 pm
by Antityranicals » Fri Aug 30, 2019 6:29 pm
by Antityranicals » Fri Aug 30, 2019 6:30 pm
Neko-koku wrote:Antityranicals wrote:It would prevent the vast majority, and likely the most inexcusable ones, which are done just because the mother "feels like it".
Nature will always get rid of excess population in one way or another. Birth control, abortion, infanticide, cannibalism, war death, murder, starvation, diseases.
Hence of course the moralistic left (feminists) and the moralistic right (Christians) are both wrong as nature requires blood.
by Neko-koku » Fri Aug 30, 2019 6:30 pm
Antityranicals wrote:Neko-koku wrote:
Nature will always get rid of excess population in one way or another. Birth control, abortion, infanticide, cannibalism, war death, murder, starvation, diseases.
Hence of course the moralistic left (feminists) and the moralistic right (Christians) are both wrong as nature requires blood.
We are nowhere near excess population on this planet.
by Antityranicals » Fri Aug 30, 2019 6:31 pm
by Godular » Fri Aug 30, 2019 6:31 pm
by Neko-koku » Fri Aug 30, 2019 6:32 pm
by Antityranicals » Fri Aug 30, 2019 6:33 pm
Godular wrote:Antityranicals wrote:Excellent. How about this: If, at some time in the future, a majority of people were to hold that abortion is murder no matter what, would you support them banning it outright?
Whether I support them banning it outright or not is functionally irrelevant. If the population in that area were to believe such a thing, there would be little that I could do to stop them. In such a situation, I'd endeavor to ensure that my position remains achieved in a mutually workable manner.
We've only been putting forward that option several bajillion times throughout this thread and its past iterations.
by Godular » Fri Aug 30, 2019 6:34 pm
by Kowani » Fri Aug 30, 2019 6:34 pm
by Neko-koku » Fri Aug 30, 2019 6:34 pm
by Antityranicals » Fri Aug 30, 2019 6:34 pm
by Antityranicals » Fri Aug 30, 2019 6:35 pm
by Ayytaly » Fri Aug 30, 2019 6:35 pm
Neko-koku wrote:Nature will always get rid of excess population in one way or another. Birth control, abortion, infanticide, cannibalism, war death, murder, starvation, diseases.
Hence of course the moralistic left (feminists) and the moralistic right (Christians) are both wrong as nature requires blood.
by Neko-koku » Fri Aug 30, 2019 6:36 pm
by Neko-koku » Fri Aug 30, 2019 6:37 pm
by Godular » Fri Aug 30, 2019 6:38 pm
Antityranicals wrote:Godular wrote:
Whether I support them banning it outright or not is functionally irrelevant. If the population in that area were to believe such a thing, there would be little that I could do to stop them. In such a situation, I'd endeavor to ensure that my position remains achieved in a mutually workable manner.
We've only been putting forward that option several bajillion times throughout this thread and its past iterations.
Alright, so you are amoral, because you wouldn't hold to the will of the people, which you call morality.
by Antityranicals » Fri Aug 30, 2019 6:39 pm
Neko-koku wrote:Antityranicals wrote:I can see the "leftie" morality and the socialistic tendencies which come with it as a liability, but what's wrong with so-called "rightie" morality?
You guys allow a lot of really underperforming people to be born and try to prevent them from dying when they can't contribute much to the world. That's just socialism with another name.
by Antityranicals » Fri Aug 30, 2019 6:39 pm
Godular wrote:Antityranicals wrote:Alright, so you are amoral, because you wouldn't hold to the will of the people, which you call morality.
If the 'moral majority' were to decide that killing my specific ethnicity was morally good, I would have no choice but to fight or flee. This does not preclude them from being 'moral'. Their morals might be bugfuck nuts, but they are still morals.
by Neko-koku » Fri Aug 30, 2019 6:40 pm
Antityranicals wrote:Neko-koku wrote:You guys allow a lot of really underperforming people to be born and try to prevent them from dying when they can't contribute much to the world. That's just socialism with another name.
And just how exactly do you know who is going to be "underperforming"? Rather than arbitrarily deciding before anyone could have any idea who will be the winners and the losers, let the market choose. If someone can't feed himself or get anyone to voluntarily feed him, than nature says he will die, no murder about it.
by Godular » Fri Aug 30, 2019 6:40 pm
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